Author Topic: CCDev to CCiCAP to CCtCAP Discussion Thread  (Read 811305 times)

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Re: CCDev to CCiCAP Discussion Thread
« Reply #1260 on: 08/15/2014 03:16 pm »
By this time the winners already know they have won because they are doing a quick review of the draft FFP contracts that would be signed on the day or few days before of the public anouncement.  They just can't say anything about it.  Also they know they won but don't know who else if any also won. They have about 2 weeks to acomplish all of this word-smith ironing of the contracts with NASA.  Plus until the contracts have actually been signed they have not technically won yet.

Actually each company pre-signs an agreement whether they have won or lost. NASA then decides to sign or not that agreement. The companies only find out the day of whether they have won or lost. That's how it was explained by someone involved in the process in a prior round.

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Re: CCDev to CCiCAP Discussion Thread
« Reply #1261 on: 08/15/2014 03:24 pm »
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NASA Comm. Crew CCtCap award likely on 22 or 29 Aug.: allows finalization of contracts before likely Contin. Res. (CR) for next FY at 1 Oct.

Charles A. Lurio @TheLurioReport
Also: CCtCap probably two "full" awards, no "half;" depending on $ avail., options to extend now/new active phases under consideration.

What does "depending on $ avail., options to extend now/new active phases under consideration" mean?

I am answering my own question but I am guessing that it might mean options to accelerate commercial crew is possible if additionnal funding is provided by Congress.
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Re: CCDev to CCiCAP Discussion Thread
« Reply #1262 on: 08/15/2014 03:24 pm »
By this time the winners already know they have won because they are doing a quick review of the draft FFP contracts that would be signed on the day or few days before of the public anouncement.  They just can't say anything about it.  Also they know they won but don't know who else if any also won. They have about 2 weeks to acomplish all of this word-smith ironing of the contracts with NASA.  Plus until the contracts have actually been signed they have not technically won yet.

Actually each company pre-signs an agreement whether they have won or lost. NASA then decides to sign or not that agreement. The companies only find out the day of whether they have won or lost. That's how it was explained by someone involved in the process in a prior round.

Thanks for the clarification.  Contractors sign their copy of the FFP then on award day NASA signs the awardee's contracts.  The loser(s) contract is put on a shelf in case one of the awardee's default on the contract.  In order for the award anouncment to proceeded NASA must then have all three signed FFP contracts from the contractors or a resignation letter from the bid.

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Re: CCDev to CCiCAP Discussion Thread
« Reply #1263 on: 08/15/2014 03:38 pm »
By this time the winners already know
No matter who won, I am sure Boeing already knows.

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Re: CCDev to CCiCAP Discussion Thread
« Reply #1264 on: 08/15/2014 07:10 pm »
Alan Boyle:

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I wonder if that's sposed 2B "Aug 22-29"? Time frame matches what I'm hearing on #CCtCap, but not those dates.

https://twitter.com/b0yle/status/500358111811481602

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Re: CCDev to CCiCAP Discussion Thread
« Reply #1265 on: 08/15/2014 07:31 pm »
I have no doubt SpaceX is one of the two. I would like to see SNC the other, but I expect Boeing.
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Re: CCDev to CCiCAP Discussion Thread
« Reply #1266 on: 08/15/2014 07:35 pm »
So, does this round of CCtCap cover the first crewed orbital test launches?
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Re: CCDev to CCiCAP Discussion Thread
« Reply #1267 on: 08/15/2014 08:15 pm »
So, does this round of CCtCap cover the first crewed orbital test launches?

Yes. In order to be certified under CCtCap, you must fly at least one crewed mission to the ISS. There is also a total of four to six post-certification missions that are part of CCtCap. See this thread for more information:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=32412.0

See also this article:
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2013/08/nasa-outlines-plans-commercial-crew-certification/
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Re: CCDev to CCiCAP Discussion Thread
« Reply #1268 on: 08/16/2014 05:14 am »
Ah, yes. I remember now. Thanks!

Good to hear. So we will have two American crewed spaceships, then. Both of which will be highly reusable and look awesome and don't rely solely on parachutes. Cool. Some "trampoline!"
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Re: CCDev to CCiCAP Discussion Thread
« Reply #1269 on: 08/16/2014 10:13 am »
Ah, yes. I remember now. Thanks!

Good to hear. So we will have two American crewed spaceships, then. Both of which will be highly reusable and look awesome and don't rely solely on parachutes. Cool. Some "trampoline!"

If Cold War 2 gets any colder Operation Trampoline sounds like a good name for the program transporting people to the ISS.

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Re: CCDev to CCiCAP Discussion Thread
« Reply #1270 on: 08/16/2014 05:58 pm »
When posters claim they are "sure" and "certain" their favorite company is one of the winners, without knowing how a selection is being made, it is because they are participating in a one-sided groupthink conversation that makes something "obvious" that is not at all obvious.  Now, if someone has inside info, that is another matter. Whatever happens will be good.

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Re: CCDev to CCiCAP Discussion Thread
« Reply #1271 on: 08/17/2014 01:46 pm »
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Charles A. Lurio @TheLurioReport
NASA Comm. Crew CCtCap award likely on 22 or 29 Aug.: allows finalization of contracts before likely Contin. Res. (CR) for next FY at 1 Oct.

Charles A. Lurio @TheLurioReport
Also: CCtCap probably two "full" awards, no "half;" depending on $ avail., options to extend now/new active phases under consideration.

What does "depending on $ avail., options to extend now/new active phases under consideration" mean?

I got an answer to my question via Twitter:

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Pre- or CCtCap task times may stretch contingent available $.

https://twitter.com/TheLurioReport/status/500853879333191680

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Re: CCDev to CCiCAP Discussion Thread
« Reply #1272 on: 08/17/2014 02:24 pm »
When posters claim they are "sure" and "certain" their favorite company is one of the winners, without knowing how a selection is being made, it is because they are participating in a one-sided groupthink conversation that makes something "obvious" that is not at all obvious.

Or they know the subject so well that they are making educated guesses.  But even so, so what?  It's a discussion thread where anyone can voice their opinion.  And sometimes wild guesses can not only be entertaining, but sometimes they turn out to be right.

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Re: CCDev to CCiCAP Discussion Thread
« Reply #1273 on: 08/17/2014 10:51 pm »
Article ahead of the decision. Respecting the decision will be revealed when NASA reveal it.

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2014/08/cctcapnasa-wont-abandon-commercial-crew-loser/

I'll give this a standalone thread.
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Re: CCDev to CCiCAP Discussion Thread
« Reply #1274 on: 08/18/2014 08:32 am »
Article ahead of the decision. Respecting the decision will be revealed when NASA reveal it.

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2014/08/cctcapnasa-wont-abandon-commercial-crew-loser/

I'll give this a standalone thread.
Chris,

Can I suggest this should be the opening page of a "CCtCap" thread.

In theory the last bunch of posts have been off-topic for a thread titled for transition to CCiCap.

Cheers, Martin

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Re: CCDev to CCiCAP Discussion Thread
« Reply #1275 on: 08/18/2014 08:47 am »
Heh! I honestly misread the title as CCiCAP to CCtCAP! :)

I'll get on that with a new thread when I'm back home.
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Re: CCDev to CCiCAP Discussion Thread
« Reply #1276 on: 08/21/2014 06:25 pm »
Jeff Greason is in favour or maintaining competition for the commercial crew program. I completely agree with him:

http://blog.chron.com/sciguy/2014/08/expert-on-nasas-commercial-crew-program-so-far-an-unqualified-success/

https://twitter.com/chronsciguy/status/502518413278068736
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Re: CCDev to CCiCAP Discussion Thread
« Reply #1278 on: 09/13/2014 09:48 pm »
A blog posting with a nice summary of the status of CCiCap milestones for all three companies:
"An Updated List of NASA's Commercial Crew Partner Milestones"
http://www.planetary.org/blogs/jason-davis/2014/20140912-ccicap-milestone-list.html
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Re: CCDev to CCiCAP Discussion Thread
« Reply #1279 on: 09/14/2014 07:41 am »
When posters claim they are "sure" and "certain" their favorite company is one of the winners, without knowing how a selection is being made, it is because they are participating in a one-sided groupthink conversation that makes something "obvious" that is not at all obvious.

Or they know the subject so well that they are making educated guesses.  But even so, so what?  It's a discussion thread where anyone can voice their opinion.  And sometimes wild guesses can not only be entertaining, but sometimes they turn out to be right.

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