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Re: Indian Human Spaceflight Program
« Reply #60 on: 08/19/2013 06:45 pm »
Any idea about pad abort test? ???

Planned in Sept.

I didn't even know we'd designed a launch escape system, let alone built it. Any details? For a start, is it reverse flow?

Also, which pad was it meant to be tested from (and might it be delayed because of the GSLV delay)?

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Re: Indian Human Spaceflight Program
« Reply #61 on: 08/19/2013 09:11 pm »
Go back a dozen or so posts in this thread, and they mention it.

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Re: Indian Human Spaceflight Program
« Reply #62 on: 08/25/2013 11:19 am »
Indian OV rendering
Nasadiya Sukta:
Srishti se pehle sat nahin thaa, asat bhi nahin | Antariksh bhi nahin, aakaash bhi nahin thaa | chhipaa thaa kyaa, kahaan, kisne dhakaa thaa | us pal to agam, atal jal bhi kahaan thaa ||

From: 1st verse of 129th Hymn of the 10th Book of Rig Veda

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Re: Indian Human Spaceflight Program
« Reply #63 on: 08/26/2013 08:03 am »
Thanks. Here's a colour corrected version (IrfanView -> Image -> Auto adjust colors).
« Last Edit: 08/26/2013 08:06 am by Steven Pietrobon »
Akin's Laws of Spacecraft Design #1:  Engineering is done with numbers.  Analysis without numbers is only an opinion.

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Re: Indian Human Spaceflight Program
« Reply #64 on: 08/26/2013 01:34 pm »
Thanks. Here's a colour corrected version (IrfanView -> Image -> Auto adjust colors).

Thanks!!! thats much better.
Nasadiya Sukta:
Srishti se pehle sat nahin thaa, asat bhi nahin | Antariksh bhi nahin, aakaash bhi nahin thaa | chhipaa thaa kyaa, kahaan, kisne dhakaa thaa | us pal to agam, atal jal bhi kahaan thaa ||

From: 1st verse of 129th Hymn of the 10th Book of Rig Veda

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Re: Indian Human Spaceflight Program
« Reply #65 on: 08/28/2013 04:50 pm »
HSP update: Crew module drop test
Nasadiya Sukta:
Srishti se pehle sat nahin thaa, asat bhi nahin | Antariksh bhi nahin, aakaash bhi nahin thaa | chhipaa thaa kyaa, kahaan, kisne dhakaa thaa | us pal to agam, atal jal bhi kahaan thaa ||

From: 1st verse of 129th Hymn of the 10th Book of Rig Veda

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Re: Indian Human Spaceflight Program
« Reply #66 on: 08/28/2013 08:23 pm »
Antriksh, what are sources of the pictures of crew capsule?

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Re: Indian Human Spaceflight Program
« Reply #67 on: 10/12/2013 10:19 am »
 Cabin Environment Simulation System (CESS) will be used for test and evaluation of space modules under regulated environmental conditions that may arise during various phases of manned mission.
Nasadiya Sukta:
Srishti se pehle sat nahin thaa, asat bhi nahin | Antariksh bhi nahin, aakaash bhi nahin thaa | chhipaa thaa kyaa, kahaan, kisne dhakaa thaa | us pal to agam, atal jal bhi kahaan thaa ||

From: 1st verse of 129th Hymn of the 10th Book of Rig Veda

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Re: Indian Human Spaceflight Program
« Reply #68 on: 12/27/2013 10:53 am »
Breaking news. ISRO and Ministry of Defense sign MoU for manned Moon mission. Possibly to train Vyomanauts.
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4.35 pm: ISRO, Ministry of Defence sign MoU for India's manned moon mission.
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/delhi-cm-designate-kejriwal-reacts-to-headlines-today-sting-operation/1/333120.html

More details awaited.
« Last Edit: 12/27/2013 11:33 am by vyoma »

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Re: Indian Human Spaceflight Program
« Reply #69 on: 12/27/2013 11:29 am »
Breaking news. ISRO and Ministry of Defense sign MoU for manned Moon mission. Possibly to train Vyomanauts.
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4.35 pm: ISRO, Ministry of Defence sign MoU for India's manned moon mission.
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/delhi-cm-designate-kejriwal-reacts-to-headlines-today-sting-operation/1/333120.html


More details awaited.

Media sensationalism ?
« Last Edit: 12/27/2013 11:32 am by antriksh »
Nasadiya Sukta:
Srishti se pehle sat nahin thaa, asat bhi nahin | Antariksh bhi nahin, aakaash bhi nahin thaa | chhipaa thaa kyaa, kahaan, kisne dhakaa thaa | us pal to agam, atal jal bhi kahaan thaa ||

From: 1st verse of 129th Hymn of the 10th Book of Rig Veda

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Re: Indian Human Spaceflight Program
« Reply #70 on: 12/27/2013 11:33 am »
Here comes the update:
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According to sources, the MoD has tasked the Indian Air Force (IAF) to identify the qualitative requirements for the crew. The Director General of Armed Forces Medical Services is to draw out the requirements.
The process will include identifying five "most suitable" men for the mission
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/after-mars-mission-india-plans-manned-lunar-mission/1/333244.html

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Re: Indian Human Spaceflight Program
« Reply #71 on: 12/27/2013 01:17 pm »
Breaking news. ISRO and Ministry of Defense sign MoU for manned Moon mission. Possibly to train Vyomanauts.
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4.35 pm: ISRO, Ministry of Defence sign MoU for India's manned moon mission.
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/delhi-cm-designate-kejriwal-reacts-to-headlines-today-sting-operation/1/333120.html


More details awaited.

Media sensationalism ?

Could be ;D I guess it's actually about identifying and training crew for manned mission (not manned Moon mission).

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Re: Indian Human Spaceflight Program
« Reply #72 on: 12/27/2013 05:09 pm »
Breaking news. ISRO and Ministry of Defense sign MoU for manned Moon mission. Possibly to train Vyomanauts.
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4.35 pm: ISRO, Ministry of Defence sign MoU for India's manned moon mission.
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/delhi-cm-designate-kejriwal-reacts-to-headlines-today-sting-operation/1/333120.html


More details awaited.

Media sensationalism ?

Could be ;D I guess it's actually about identifying and training crew for manned mission (not manned Moon mission).

 ;D ;D

You know this is Indian media
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Re: Indian Human Spaceflight Program
« Reply #73 on: 12/27/2013 08:42 pm »
Other outlets are picking it up:

http://zeenews.india.com/news/space/mod-tasked-to-recruit-crew-for-isro-s-man-to-moon-mission_899887.html

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New Delhi: The Ministry of Defence (MoD) has been tasked to recruit crew for ISRO's "ambitious" Man to Moon Mission, Air Marshal A K Behl, Director General, Medical Services (Air) today said.

MoD and ISRO have signed an MoU for the project. "We have collaborated with ISRO a couple of years ago," he said.

The Director General for Armed Forces Services (DGAFS), who is looking after the project, is also also supposed to asses whether the crew can maintain the spacecraft well and come back safely.

"Man to Moon is an ambitious project started by the ISRO. Since the Indian Air Force has domain expertise in aviation and in other aspects related to space, we have collaborated with them. The Institute of Aviation Studies Bangalore is also involved in this project," Behl added.

Rakesh Sharma, a former Indian Air Force pilot who flew aboard Soyuz T-11 as part of the Inter-cosmos programme by the USSR was the first Indian to travel in space.

PTI

They're using the particular phrase "Man to Moon" mission. I assume it's just a feasibility study.

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Re: Indian Human Spaceflight Program
« Reply #74 on: 12/28/2013 07:43 am »
Other outlets are picking it up:

http://zeenews.india.com/news/space/mod-tasked-to-recruit-crew-for-isro-s-man-to-moon-mission_899887.html

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New Delhi: The Ministry of Defence (MoD) has been tasked to recruit crew for ISRO's "ambitious" Man to Moon Mission, Air Marshal A K Behl, Director General, Medical Services (Air) today said.

MoD and ISRO have signed an MoU for the project. "We have collaborated with ISRO a couple of years ago," he said.

The Director General for Armed Forces Services (DGAFS), who is looking after the project, is also also supposed to asses whether the crew can maintain the spacecraft well and come back safely.

"Man to Moon is an ambitious project started by the ISRO. Since the Indian Air Force has domain expertise in aviation and in other aspects related to space, we have collaborated with them. The Institute of Aviation Studies Bangalore is also involved in this project," Behl added.

Rakesh Sharma, a former Indian Air Force pilot who flew aboard Soyuz T-11 as part of the Inter-cosmos programme by the USSR was the first Indian to travel in space.

PTI

They're using the particular phrase "Man to Moon" mission. I assume it's just a feasibility study.

Here's an interview with the Air force top brass:

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Re: Indian Human Spaceflight Program
« Reply #75 on: 12/29/2013 02:37 am »
Thanks for that video.

Picking five astronauts for their suitability for a Lunar mission.
Cost is said to be 10,000 crore rupee (100 billion rupee or $1.6B).
Currently verifying data.
Sought inputs from other countries.
Timeline as asked but no answer given.
Commander likely to be a fighter pilot, with other crew a doctor, engineer or scientist.
Interview with first Indian cosmonaut Wing Commander Rakesh Sharma.
Five years ago there was talk that project had been sanctioned but had been put in cold storage up to now.
Exciting to hear that program has been restarted.
Got to have launcher capability which we presently don't have, manrated systems which we need to test, then send astronauts into Earth orbit, before going to the Moon.
Reporter says around 2015-1016 send unmanned mission to Moon. Stage 2 is manned mission to Moon!
Initial payment of 10 crore ($1.6M) has been made. "This is no flight of fancy any more."

Well, I think there is some hyperbole from the reporters, but the two military officials certainly weren't denying the astronaut selection was for a Lunar mission. At this stage, picking some astronauts is the easy part. Building your Moon rocket and the Lunar spaceships is where it gets expensive. I can't also help think that some of this is in reaction to China's Chang'e 3 spacecraft landing on the Moon.

Attached is a slide previously posted on NSF showing a study of a Lunar landing mission. It would be dual launch. The first with a 3075 t vehicle to put the Earth departure stage (EDS) and Lunar module (LM) into orbit. The second with a 1690 t vehicle to put the Command Module (CM) and Service Module (SM) into orbit, basically following the Constellation architecture, except that the SM performs Lunar orbit insertion (LOI) like in Apollo.

The first vehicle has eight 230 t solid boosters, an 800 t kerolox core, and 60 t hydrolox upper stage.
The second vehicle has four 230 t solid boosters, a 500 t kerolox core and 60 t hydrolox upper stage.
CM is 6 t (similar to Apollo), SM is 25 t, LM is 17 t and EDS is 67 t. Need to develop docking technology and 2 MN kerolox engine.
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Re: Indian Human Spaceflight Program
« Reply #76 on: 12/29/2013 10:40 am »
Heavy launch vehicle concept to be used for Moon and Mars

- All cryogenic propellant

- SC460 stage configuration will also be used for TSTO's first stage.
Nasadiya Sukta:
Srishti se pehle sat nahin thaa, asat bhi nahin | Antariksh bhi nahin, aakaash bhi nahin thaa | chhipaa thaa kyaa, kahaan, kisne dhakaa thaa | us pal to agam, atal jal bhi kahaan thaa ||

From: 1st verse of 129th Hymn of the 10th Book of Rig Veda

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Re: Indian Human Spaceflight Program
« Reply #77 on: 12/30/2013 01:53 am »
Indian scientists eagerly pitch their powerpoint rockets with alacrity. What I always notice is that everytime some other country does something big, it leads to a new round of powerpoint presentations at ISRO. When Constellation was announced, that's when ISRO scientists began making the rounds with their poor man's Constellation idea. When SLS was announced, then this other big fat rocket began appearing on Indian drawing boards.

Now that China's landed on the Moon, it seems to have again triggered a buzz about the Moon in Indian circles.
It's not so much that ISRO wants to imitate others, it's more that they use the advancements made by others as an opportunity to light a fire under politicians, and make them feel like India could do more than it's currently doing. While that doesn't amount to a coherent plan, it does at least help to lay preparatory groundwork as a springboard for any plan that might eventually take shape. At least with these feasibility studies, people can hold out the hope that some further path forward is possible.


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Re: Indian Human Spaceflight Program
« Reply #78 on: 12/30/2013 05:10 am »
Thanks for that slide antriksh. Do you know what the Lunar mode is going to be? 20 t in LLO is not enough for both a lander and a capsule, unless perhaps they plan on using a cryogenic stage for staged Lunar descent.

The new vehicle has four 460 t kerolox first stage boosters, 800 t kerolox second stage core, 460 t kerolox third stage and 100 t hydrolox fourth stage (3200 t total). Perhaps they are going to follow NASA's current Lunar plan with two launchers, one with the lander and one with the capsule. That is a bit of over kill in my opinion. Either have one 120-130 t vehicle that can do the mission in a single launch, or two 60-65 t vehicles that can do the mission in two launches. The latter would be my preferred option.
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Re: Indian Human Spaceflight Program
« Reply #79 on: 12/30/2013 06:12 am »
Thanks for that slide antriksh. Do you know what the Lunar mode is going to be? 20 t in LLO is not enough for both a lander and a capsule, unless perhaps they plan on using a cryogenic stage for staged Lunar descent.
Are you sure 20t wouldnt be enough if they would be planning some really barebones stuff like Lunar Gemini plans ?
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