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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon COTS Demo (C2+) VIEWING THREAD
« Reply #40 on: 05/14/2012 09:23 pm »
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon COTS Demo (C2+) VIEWING THREAD
« Reply #41 on: 05/15/2012 08:43 pm »
I can now confirm my attendance of this launch!!

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With the launch time fairly close to sunrise over the east coast of the US, I wonder if anyone watching this launch up the seaboard will see the "kerosene jellyfish"? The kerosene exhaust products reflect the low angle sunlight and provides an amazing light show for spectators on the ground. This happens during the launch of a rocket with kerosene-burning upper stages (e.g. Soyuz).

Some videos to show what I'm talking about:





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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon COTS Demo (C2+) VIEWING THREAD
« Reply #43 on: 05/16/2012 07:17 am »
With the launch time fairly close to sunrise over the east coast of the US, I wonder if anyone watching this launch up the seaboard will see the "kerosene jellyfish"?

I think it was worked out here that it's too early before dawn for the vehicle to enter sunlight during the powered flight phase. Certainly so for the first stage.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon COTS Demo (C2+) VIEWING THREAD
« Reply #44 on: 05/16/2012 07:57 am »
Penguin:  Thanks for posting those beautiful videos.  They were fun to watch anyway.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon COTS Demo (C2+) VIEWING THREAD
« Reply #45 on: 05/16/2012 05:29 pm »
Might as well post this here, too.

This is GoogleEarth's approximation of the terminator at the time of launch. The 1st stage "ground track" is from F9-001, this flight should be more to the North. What this doesn't show is what effect the vehicle's altitude will have on lighting conditions.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon COTS Demo (C2+) VIEWING THREAD
« Reply #46 on: 05/16/2012 05:41 pm »
Looks like Cape Hatteras could be a nice spot for viewing, probably low light pollution there. What about Wallops? Would be nice if they could open the visitors' center. Throw in a big screen TV and free wi-fi, you'd be all set.

Also, does anyone know if the MARS video from Freedom Star will be carried live?

Edit- Wrong "Star"
« Last Edit: 05/17/2012 01:37 am by corrodedNut »

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon COTS Demo (C2+) VIEWING THREAD
« Reply #47 on: 05/16/2012 08:30 pm »
L-3 forecast out from Patrick AFB showing a 70% chance of GO.
http://www.patrick.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-070716-028.pdf

Ironic in a sense, the last launch from Cape Canaveral to the Space Station was a 70% chance of NO-GO.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon COTS Demo (C2+) VIEWING THREAD
« Reply #48 on: 05/16/2012 11:05 pm »
I've seen two night Shuttle launches to the ISS from my house in southeastern Pennsylvania.  They were low in the sky but quite bright.  I estimate 1st or 2nd magnitude.  Does anyone have an idea how much fainter the Falcon second stage will be, compared to the SSMEs?
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon COTS Demo (C2+) VIEWING THREAD
« Reply #49 on: 05/17/2012 03:18 am »
Me and the Mrs might drive all evening to get there, but we are thinking of coming. Not sure where the best place to see it is still, as I am guessing the beaches will be closed. The cruise ship docks at Canaveral?
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon COTS Demo (C2+) VIEWING THREAD
« Reply #50 on: 05/17/2012 03:34 am »
Me and the Mrs might drive all evening to get there, but we are thinking of coming. Not sure where the best place to see it is still, as I am guessing the beaches will be closed. The cruise ship docks at Canaveral?
Yep. Although according to the image Jim posted earlier you may be able to get a little closer then the docks.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon COTS Demo (C2+) VIEWING THREAD
« Reply #51 on: 05/17/2012 11:32 am »
Found this item tucked away on Yahoo news:

Remember this is the VIEWING thread, where you discuss good locations near the launch site, camera settings, etc. General SpaceX info is in other threads...

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon COTS Demo (C2+) VIEWING THREAD
« Reply #52 on: 05/17/2012 11:52 am »
I am also thinking of going to the launch; and unless i am reading the maps and comments wrong the causeway to jetty park would be a nice spot to see the launch (maybe even the rocket on the pad?).

If no delay is announced until tomorrow, I'll try to get a last minute ticket from NYC (where i'll arrive from Europe) to Orlando, get a rental, and drive there. It's a rare chance for me to see a launch.

P.S.: Is it still possible to book domestic US flights at the airport? A quick google did not find a respectable answer to this.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon COTS Demo (C2+) VIEWING THREAD
« Reply #53 on: 05/18/2012 09:43 am »
I've seen two night Shuttle launches to the ISS from my house in southeastern Pennsylvania.  They were low in the sky but quite bright.  I estimate 1st or 2nd magnitude.  Does anyone have an idea how much fainter the Falcon second stage will be, compared to the SSMEs?

I woke up around 5:15 this morning.  I didn't realize the sky is so bright at this time.  It may be too light to see it.

I watched STS-130, but there's a big difference between 5:00 in February and 5:00 in May.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon COTS Demo (C2+) VIEWING THREAD
« Reply #54 on: 05/18/2012 01:52 pm »
I'll have my vhf radio with me, when we arrive. Any good frequencies to listen into? Since it's not out of KSC not sure what to listen for.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon COTS Demo (C2+) VIEWING THREAD
« Reply #55 on: 05/18/2012 02:12 pm »
I'll have my vhf radio with me, when we arrive. Any good frequencies to listen into? Since it's not out of KSC not sure what to listen for.

the same one is use for all launches.  146.94

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon COTS Demo (C2+) VIEWING THREAD
« Reply #56 on: 05/18/2012 02:37 pm »
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon COTS Demo (C2+) VIEWING THREAD
« Reply #57 on: 05/18/2012 08:41 pm »
Quoting this from over on the launch preps thread:

What's the chance of ground/airborne viewers
seeing the backlit booster plumes of the Falcon-9
during its climb into orbit Saturday morning?
 
Launch is at 4:55 AM EDT.
Sunrise at the Cape is at 6:30 EDT.
Up the coast it's even earlier -- New Bern, North Carolina, is 6:02 AM.
At orbital altitude there ought to be LOTS of sunlight.
 
Also, where will first sunrise occur? From the last launch, the
folks in eastern Australia got a major sky spectacle with a
spinning spiral, as the fuel dumped. Who will see it this time?

Also, we have a series of pre-dawn ISS visuals over Houston, I
expect to be outside for every one until berthing.


I'm curious about this, too.  My local sunrise is 5:20 AM near Cape Cod.  I could reliably see MECO on night shuttle flights, but I'm wondering if it will be too light to bother tomorrow morning.

If only there was a viewing thread, where this sort of discussion has been taking place (since it has nothing to do with launch preps ;) )

Thoughts?  I've also attached the ISS ground track over Cape Canaveral for the launch pass, courtesy of www.heavens-above.com.


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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon COTS Demo (C2+) VIEWING THREAD
« Reply #58 on: 05/19/2012 01:19 am »
I've seen two night Shuttle launches to the ISS from my house in southeastern Pennsylvania.  They were low in the sky but quite bright.  I estimate 1st or 2nd magnitude.  Does anyone have an idea how much fainter the Falcon second stage will be, compared to the SSMEs?

I woke up around 5:15 this morning.  I didn't realize the sky is so bright at this time.  It may be too light to see it.

I watched STS-130, but there's a big difference between 5:00 in February and 5:00 in May.

I just went out to take some test photos, in about the same sky conditions I'll encounter tomorrow morning.  I'm no photographer, and I'm just using a little Samsung pocket camera with a maximum time exposure of 15 seconds.  But I think if I can see Dragon, I'll be able to photograph it.

One of the test photos I took was of Mars.  I didn't realize that until after I got back inside.  I was just aiming at a couple of stars that I could see.  I don't think it's completely off-topic, since Mars is Elon's ultimate goal. 

The photo was taken at f/7.4 at 15 seconds.  The brightness of the sky was pretty close to what I saw with the naked eye.
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Quoting this from over on the launch preps thread:

What's the chance of ground/airborne viewers
seeing the backlit booster plumes of the Falcon-9
during its climb into orbit Saturday morning?
 
Launch is at 4:55 AM EDT.
Sunrise at the Cape is at 6:30 EDT.
Up the coast it's even earlier -- New Bern, North Carolina, is 6:02 AM.
At orbital altitude there ought to be LOTS of sunlight.
 
Also, where will first sunrise occur? From the last launch, the
folks in eastern Australia got a major sky spectacle with a
spinning spiral, as the fuel dumped. Who will see it this time?

Also, we have a series of pre-dawn ISS visuals over Houston, I
expect to be outside for every one until berthing.


I'm curious about this, too.  My local sunrise is 5:20 AM near Cape Cod.  I could reliably see MECO on night shuttle flights, but I'm wondering if it will be too light to bother tomorrow morning.

If only there was a viewing thread, where this sort of discussion has been taking place (since it has nothing to do with launch preps ;) )

Thoughts?  I've also attached the ISS ground track over Cape Canaveral for the launch pass, courtesy of www.heavens-above.com.



I have just tried the same launch with the Orbiter spaceflight simulator, and it looks like the second stage will enter sunlight off North Carolina at T+5 minutes or so (5:00 am EDT). There seems to be a chance of sunlight lighting up the exhaust plume for the last 3 minutes of flight up the eastern seaboard. Should be pretty to see!

With the launch time fairly close to sunrise over the east coast of the US, I wonder if anyone watching this launch up the seaboard will see the "kerosene jellyfish"? The kerosene exhaust products reflect the low angle sunlight and provides an amazing light show for spectators on the ground. This happens during the launch of a rocket with kerosene-burning upper stages (e.g. Soyuz).

Some videos to show what I'm talking about:






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