I love how their "Market Projection" plot takes a flat rate of nanosat launches and draws an ascending line through it. Data? Data? We don't need to fit no stinking data!Also, since when can you buy an F-15 commercially?
GO has offices in Atlanta, GA and Washington, DC. GO is privately held.
Why not just use an additional solid to bring the payload up point that it would be release by the jet. Surely that would be cheaper than buying an maintaining a supersonic jet for what looks to me like 20 some odd payloads a year.Also, considering that the envelope under the jet is more of constraint than the weight, I wonder if hanging such a vehicle off of the center line of a retired F-14 would provide better clearance and a larger vehicle... The F-14 was designed to carry Phoenix AIM-54 after all.
A lot of supersonic fighter/bomber type jets that can do Mach 2 or better can be had for cheaper than many corporate jets.
Quote from: Robotbeat on 01/03/2012 05:57 pmA lot of supersonic fighter/bomber type jets that can do Mach 2 or better can be had for cheaper than many corporate jets.Like what? MiG-25/31 is the only one that springs to mind as potentially commercially available for cheaper than a large-ish private jet...
Why not just use an additional solid to bring the payload up point that it would be release by the jet. Surely that would be cheaper than buying an maintaining a supersonic jet for what looks to me like 20 some odd payloads a year.
I can think of several answers to this question.The first answer is that it wouldn't be just one solid, it would be "20-some" (or however many launches) solids. Per year. The cost of the aircraft would have to be compared to the total number of solids needed to replace it over the program life, plus any extra costs associated with one or two fixed launch sites, etc..
The second answer is that a fixed launch site would not be as flexible or "responsive" as an airborne launch, in terms of orbit inclination, etc.
A third answer would be that, in times of war, an airborne launch system should, or could, be less vulnerable to attack than a fixed ground launch site.
But can a payload of value to the war fighter be launched on a cubesat?
The Army seems to think so...
Corporate jets can go for up to $50 million (like for a Gulfstream G550). That's more than the unit costs for an F-15 (<$30 million in 1998 dollars), and a used F-15 without functional weapons systems may be much less than that. But yeah, I imagine a fighter from anywhere (if you have corporate backing and aren't just a private individual) may be available for this. Won't make it easy, but still doable if there's a business case.
There's going to be pretty strong forces pushing them to want to design for larger payloads... 150kg to orbit allows you to serve some pretty decent markets... Or launch a whole fleet of nanosatellites at once. Pegasus, if it weren't so expensive, is actually a pretty darned good size for something like this.I'd like to see what sort of payload XCor's microlaunch concept could get to LEO.
Another plane that probably could be had for low cost is the F-111 it has a large payload and a max speed of mach 2.5.
Quote from: Robotbeat on 01/05/2012 02:13 amThere's going to be pretty strong forces pushing them to want to design for larger payloads... 150kg to orbit allows you to serve some pretty decent markets... Or launch a whole fleet of nanosatellites at once. Pegasus, if it weren't so expensive, is actually a pretty darned good size for something like this.I'd like to see what sort of payload XCor's microlaunch concept could get to LEO.Which is a similar concept except it deploys the launcher at Mach 3+ and 120K+ feet, with near zero drag. Plus the carrier plane can also do sub-orbital science & tourist flights.
Quote from: Patchouli on 01/05/2012 01:58 amAnother plane that probably could be had for low cost is the F-111 it has a large payload and a max speed of mach 2.5.Anything flown on an F-111 center line will have to be stored internally, the F-111 does not have the necessary ground clearance to fly external stores on the center line. If stored externally it would have to be carried off center on one of the wings.
I still think that a 30kg microsat is a little optimistic for the Lynx MkII unless they use a high performance liquid rocket (instead of the much more likely solids).
Quote from: Robotbeat on 01/05/2012 04:21 pmI still think that a 30kg microsat is a little optimistic for the Lynx MkII unless they use a high performance liquid rocket (instead of the much more likely solids). You think solids would be likely with the XCOR crowd? You don't know them very well...~Jon
http://www.generationorbit.com/Generation Orbit Launch Services, Inc. (or GO) presents a fast, flexible, and dedicated nanosatellite (1-30 kg) orbital payload delivery service called GO Launcher, utilizing existing high speed jet aircraft and mostly existing rockets.GO has offices in Atlanta, GA and Washington, DC. GO is privately held.
Quote from: Danderman on 01/02/2012 03:21 pmhttp://www.generationorbit.com/Generation Orbit Launch Services, Inc. (or GO) presents a fast, flexible, and dedicated nanosatellite (1-30 kg) orbital payload delivery service called GO Launcher, utilizing existing high speed jet aircraft and mostly existing rockets.GO has offices in Atlanta, GA and Washington, DC. GO is privately held.This sure does look like what DARPA is asking for with ALASA, doesn't it?http://www.darpa.mil/NewsEvents/Releases/2011/11/10.aspxhttp://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3A27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3Abe5304f4-1881-4067-b2e8-ef38541a0e77 - Ed Kyle
It seems to miss both payload mass requirement (100 lbm) and cost target ($1M or less).
Quote from: HMXHMX on 01/08/2012 08:38 pmIt seems to miss both payload mass requirement (100 lbm) and cost target ($1M or less).The GO-2 section does mention the possibility of future performance upgrades, and only 15 kg or so more is needed, so there's that. As for the cost, I'm not sure I can imagine anyone making the $1 million per launch mark. It's a nice goal, but let's be realistic. - Ed Kyle
I like those sort of goals... They seem just out of reach. If it was a "practical" goal, then it wouldn't be a good goal for a prize-type contest. It's good for stretching the bounds of what is then understood as "practical."$1 million is a good goal. They don't need just another Scout or Minotaur or Falcon 1 launch vehicle, they want something considerably cheaper. And a $1 million per launch for a microsatellite of ~50kg is pretty enabling for small-business-scale (and even concerted hobbyist/amateur group) projects, perhaps even cheaper than flying as a secondary payload. Actually, that brings up a good question:Exactly how much does it typically cost for a 100lbm microsatellite to launch as a secondary payload?
Generation Orbit Launch Services, Inc. (GO) is pleased to announce the award of a Follow-On Phase II SBIR (Small Business Innovative Research) contract from the Air Force Research Laboratory, Aerospace Systems Directorate, High Speed Systems Division (AFRL/RQH) for development and flight testing of the GOLauncher 1 (GO1). The single stage liquid rocket, launched from a Gulfstream III business jet, will conduct its inaugural flight test in 2019, reaching Mach 6 within the atmospher
Tweets from Jeff Foust[/url]:AJ Piplica, Generation Orbit: still interested in doing air-launch for smallsats down the road; focus for now is hypersonics work.Piplica: planning captive carry tests of GO1 test article on a Gulfstream III at NASA Armstrong next month.Piplica: flight tests of GO1 scheduled for 1st quarter of 2019, flying out of Cecil Field spaceport in Jacksonville, Fla.
We're in the air! Congratulations @generationorbit for today's captive carry flight test of our GOLauncher 1 system at @NASAArmstrong. Today's ITA test was a good step toward our GOLauncher 1 hypersonic testbed and suborbital launcher.
https://twitter.com/jrolds/status/938571435517280261QuoteWe're in the air! Congratulations @generationorbit for today's captive carry flight test of our GOLauncher 1 system at @NASAArmstrong. Today's ITA test was a good step toward our GOLauncher 1 hypersonic testbed and suborbital launcher.
That livery is an awful lot like Air Force One.
Generation Orbit Completes Hot Fire Test of GO1 Hypersonic Testbed Prototype at Cecil SpaceportGeneration Orbit Launch Services, Inc. (GO) has completed an initial integrated engine firing of a full-scale, functional prototype of the GOLauncher1 (GO1) hypersonic flight test booster. Under contract to the Air Force Research Laboratory, Aerospace Systems Directorate, High Speed Systems Division (AFRL/RQH), GO is developing GO1 to be an affordable and flexible hypersonic testbed to flight test a wide range of hypersonic vehicle technologies. The test was the first of its kind to be conducted at Cecil Spaceport in Jacksonville, FL. This is also GO’s first test campaign to include Ursa Major Technologies’ “Hadley” liquid rocket engine. The 5,000 lbf-class oxygen-rich staged combustion engine performed as expected through the tests.GO1 is a single-stage liquid rocket, launched from a Gulfstream III carrier aircraft, primarily designed for hypersonic flight testing. The rocket vehicle propulsion system utilizes liquid oxygen and kerosene propellants. The system is designed to provide affordable and regular access to high dynamic pressure flight conditions between Mach 5 and Mach 8 to a wide range of payloads for fundamental research, technology development, and risk reduction. The first flight of GO1 is planned for late 2019.Building up a series of cold flows and engine development tests, this test demonstrated integration of the engine with flight like propellant tanks, valves, pressurization system, and flight controls. Further, the test demonstrated the throttling capabilities of the system necessary to meet the thrust levels for Mach 6 cruise at 80,000 to 90,000 ft. This feature is a key enabler of GO1’s next-generation hypersonic flight testing capabilities for fundamental research and technology maturation.GO CEO, AJ Piplica, commented on the program: “The culmination of several years of work in the successful testing of this GO1 prototype is a huge milestone in the product’s development. Completing a full end-to-end integrated system iteration prior to the completion of the vehicle design has allowed us to learn a massive amount, not only about how the system works, but also on the manufacturing and operations fronts. Completing this campaign at Cecil Spaceport also demonstrates the readiness of the facility to support near-term launch operations. We very much appreciate the opportunity and afforded us by AFRL to drive the development of GO1 as we continue to move toward ushering a revolution in hypersonic flight testing capabilities.”AFRL/RQH’s Program Manager for GOLauncher1, Barry Hellman, expressed his confidence in the program: “The rapid prototyping of a new hypersonic flight test capability being done by Generation Orbit has been exemplary. It will provide AFRL with a capability to conduct routine hypersonic testing with a system that can be tailored to many technologies. The success of GO1 wouldn’t be possible without the opportunity provided by the Air Force Small Business Innovative Research (SBIR) program. Further, the facilities and support personnel at Cecil Spaceport have been outstanding hosts for this tests and are invaluable to the future success of the program.”Also, Cecil Spaceport Director, Todd Lindner, stated “The successful completion of the Hadley liquid rocket engine test by Generation Orbit and the Air Force Research Lab (AFRL) serves as a milestone for Cecil Spaceport and demonstrates the validity and capabilities of the Cecil facilities and Generation Orbit.” Lindner concluded, “We look forward to continuing our support of this important program.”For additional details about the GOLauncher1 program please contact:88th Air Base Wing Public Affairs (88ABW/PA)937-522-3252[email protected].
[Images] @GenerationOrbit's first hotfire of 'GOLauncher1' (GO1) hypersonic testbed prototype, with @ursamajortech's ox-rich staged combustion engine, 'Hadley' @ 5000 lbf thrust using Kerosene+LOX 🔥 #americanmade instagram.com/p/Bkn12PvgEFC/…
What date did the test actually take place? Thanks.
GO1 EDU Hot Fire Test 01
Quote from: russianhalo117 on 07/09/2018 05:26 pmGO1 EDU Hot Fire Test 01Oh wow, does this mean they are closer to getting to space than Vector is? It seems they at least have flight-like or actual flight propellant tanks and an engine controller working. We have yet to see even engineering units of tanks from Vector holding cryogenic propellants.
GO1 is Suborbital. The large GO2 launcher is orbital and GO3 Mini and Heavy (use a DC10 for launch) is in design work. They are working on a Phantom Express like launch system too, but one advancement at a time.
U.S. Air Force Designates GO1 Hypersonic Flight Research Vehicle as X-60AOctober 4, 2018WRIGHT-PATTERSON AIR FORCE BASE, Ohio – The Air Force has designated the GOLauncher1 (GO1) hypersonic flight research vehicle as X-60A. The vehicle is being developed by Generation Orbit Launch Services, Inc. under contract to the Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL), Aerospace Systems Directorate, High Speed Systems Division.It is an air-dropped liquid rocket, specifically designed for hypersonic flight research to mature technologies including scramjet propulsion, high temperature materials and autonomous control.“The X-60A is like a flying wind tunnel to capture data that complements our current ground test capability,” said Col. Colin Tucker, Military Deputy, office of the Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Air Force for Science, Technology, and Engineering. “We’ve long needed this type of test vehicle to better understand how materials and other technologies behave while flying at more than 5 times the speed of sound. It enables faster development of both our current hypersonic weapon rapid prototypes and evolving future systems.”AFRL’s motivation for the X-60A program is to increase the frequency of flight testing while lowering the cost of maturing hypersonic technologies in relevant flight conditions. While hypersonic ground test facilities are vital in technology development, we must also test those technologies with actual hypersonic flight conditions.Utilizing new space commercial development, licensing, and operations practices, X-60A is envisioned to provide the Air Force, other U.S. Government agencies, and industry with a platform to more rapidly mature technologies.The X-60A rocket vehicle propulsion system is the Hadley liquid rocket engine, which utilizes liquid oxygen and kerosene propellants. The system is designed to provide affordable and regular access to high dynamic pressure flight conditions between Mach 5 and Mach 8.This is the first Air Force Small Business Innovative Research program to receive an experimental “X” designation.
http://generationorbit.com/u-s-air-force-designates-go1-hypersonic-flight-research-vehicle-as-x-60a/QuoteU.S. Air Force Designates GO1 Hypersonic Flight Research Vehicle as X-60AOctober 4, 2018WRIGHT-PATTERSON AIR FORCE BASE, Ohio – The Air Force has designated the GOLauncher1 (GO1) hypersonic flight research vehicle as X-60A. The vehicle is being developed by Generation Orbit Launch Services, Inc. under contract to the Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL), Aerospace Systems Directorate, High Speed Systems Division.It is an air-dropped liquid rocket, specifically designed for hypersonic flight research to mature technologies including scramjet propulsion, high temperature materials and autonomous control.“The X-60A is like a flying wind tunnel to capture data that complements our current ground test capability,” said Col. Colin Tucker, Military Deputy, office of the Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Air Force for Science, Technology, and Engineering. “We’ve long needed this type of test vehicle to better understand how materials and other technologies behave while flying at more than 5 times the speed of sound. It enables faster development of both our current hypersonic weapon rapid prototypes and evolving future systems.”AFRL’s motivation for the X-60A program is to increase the frequency of flight testing while lowering the cost of maturing hypersonic technologies in relevant flight conditions. While hypersonic ground test facilities are vital in technology development, we must also test those technologies with actual hypersonic flight conditions.Utilizing new space commercial development, licensing, and operations practices, X-60A is envisioned to provide the Air Force, other U.S. Government agencies, and industry with a platform to more rapidly mature technologies.The X-60A rocket vehicle propulsion system is the Hadley liquid rocket engine, which utilizes liquid oxygen and kerosene propellants. The system is designed to provide affordable and regular access to high dynamic pressure flight conditions between Mach 5 and Mach 8.This is the first Air Force Small Business Innovative Research program to receive an experimental “X” designation.
New info about the X-60A:https://twitter.com/AFResearchLab/status/1103359347361497089
The GO Launcher Family and it's orbital launch plans have been quietly shelved via a website refresh. GO Launcher 1 and 2 now form the X-60 hypersonics research launcher family with X-60A presently approved and a tentative X-60B follow on from other sources.The reason why they have become quiet lately is everything they post now has to be submitted for multiagency review for authorization to release. DARPA seems to be one of the primaries and approvals could be via them.Reference at bottom of page (http://generationorbit.com/x-60a/) is:Cleared for Public Release: 88-ABW-2018-6091. Distribution Unlimited
Quote from: russianhalo117 on 07/31/2019 05:38 amThe GO Launcher Family and it's orbital launch plans have been quietly shelved via a website refresh. GO Launcher 1 and 2 now form the X-60 hypersonics research launcher family with X-60A presently approved and a tentative X-60B follow on from other sources.The reason why they have become quiet lately is everything they post now has to be submitted for multiagency review for authorization to release. DARPA seems to be one of the primaries and approvals could be via them.Reference at bottom of page (http://generationorbit.com/x-60a/) is:Cleared for Public Release: 88-ABW-2018-6091. Distribution UnlimitedDidn't they have a launch order for cubesats from NASA?