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Re: LIVE: Fobos-Grunt EOM Re-Entry Latest
« Reply #20 on: 01/04/2012 08:01 pm »
Nice video, but I have a medium-level quibble over misuse of the term 'deorbit' for UARS and ROSAT. At the MCC we use that to signify an active course change into the atmosphere, not a natural long-term decay.

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« Reply #21 on: 01/04/2012 08:45 pm »

Video from one of the pros in France:

http://legault.perso.sfr.fr/phobos-grunt.html

Note that it appears to be flying with the solar panels to the rear as referred to the velocity vector.
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« Reply #22 on: 01/04/2012 09:06 pm »
Video from one of the pros in France:
Now this is a real nice video, in fact this is the first material that even convinced me that solar panels were fully deployed.

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« Reply #23 on: 01/05/2012 09:46 am »
hello, on new year's day morning I have taken a video of the last passage of Phobos-Grunt over France. The solar panels look deployed but they are in the opposite direction of the Sun.



The video and all details are on this page: http://legault.perso.sfr.fr/phobos-grunt.html
(including notes about reliability of images of very small objects with a mention to Ralf Vandebergh's images already mentioned in this thread).

This will be nice fireworks for the ones who will see it falling (if there are)!

regards
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« Reply #24 on: 01/05/2012 10:00 am »
hello, on new year's day morning I have taken a video of the last passage of Phobos-Grunt over France. The solar panels look deployed but they are in the opposite direction of the Sun.

Welcome to the forum Thierry! I, like many others here, have appreciated the amazing photos you take. I usually get updates of your latest photos from Phil Plait of BadAstronomy.com, where you're now a regular star ;)

Bon courage pour la suite !

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« Reply #25 on: 01/05/2012 12:22 pm »
hello, on new year's day morning I have taken a video of the last passage of Phobos-Grunt over France. The solar panels look deployed but they are in the opposite direction of the Sun.


The video and all details are on this page: http://legault.perso.sfr.fr/phobos-grunt.html
(including notes about reliability of images of very small objects with a mention to Ralf Vandebergh's images already mentioned in this thread).

This will be nice fireworks for the ones who will see it falling (if there are)!

regards


Welcome to the site, and great job on those fantastic images!

Merci pour les images!

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« Reply #26 on: 01/05/2012 01:04 pm »
The video is even better.  I encourage everyone to go see it.

Great work sir!

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« Reply #27 on: 01/05/2012 01:09 pm »
How do I get drool off my monitor again? Excellent work!
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« Reply #28 on: 01/05/2012 01:31 pm »
hello, on new year's day morning I have taken a video of the last passage of Phobos-Grunt over France. The solar panels look deployed but they are in the opposite direction of the Sun.

Great picture; it backs up a report in the previous thread where it was said that FG kept reversing its alignment relative to the sun every time it was over Earth's night-side.
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« Reply #29 on: 01/05/2012 01:42 pm »
hello, on new year's day morning I have taken a video of the last passage of Phobos-Grunt over France. The solar panels look deployed but they are in the opposite direction of the Sun.

Great picture; it backs up a report in the previous thread where it was said that FG kept reversing its alignment relative to the sun every time it was over Earth's night-side.

I agree that the imaging is terrific.  Thanks Mr. Legault, and welcome to the forum.

However, it is not clear that this supports any reversing of FG's orientation.   Do you have a link to where that was discussed?  Trailing the solar panels looks like an aerodynamically stable orientation, with the mass forward and the drag behind.  The image shows the orientation clearly, but it is only one point in time.  We only know that it was the other way, facing the Sun, a few weeks ago.  How one gets frequent reversing from that is not obvious.
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« Reply #30 on: 01/05/2012 01:55 pm »
hello, on new year's day morning I have taken a video of the last passage of Phobos-Grunt over France. The solar panels look deployed but they are in the opposite direction of the Sun.

Welcome to the forum Thierry! I, like many others here, have appreciated the amazing photos you take.

My sentiments exactly...

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« Reply #31 on: 01/05/2012 02:07 pm »
Hi Thierry - welcome to the site's forum! :)
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« Reply #32 on: 01/05/2012 04:48 pm »
Many thanks for your welcome, I really appreciate!

However, it is not clear that this supports any reversing of FG's orientation.   Do you have a link to where that was discussed?  Trailing the solar panels looks like an aerodynamically stable orientation, with the mass forward and the drag behind.  The image shows the orientation clearly, but it is only one point in time.  We only know that it was the other way, facing the Sun, a few weeks ago.  How one gets frequent reversing from that is not obvious.

of course I don't know if this orientation is permanent, and if so if it's towards the Sun or towards the atmosphere because of aerodynamics. What I can just say is:
- thanks to a very precise and specific orientation of the telescope mount with regard to the orbit, the movement of the satellite remains strictly horizontal in the image (from left to right) during the whole passage
- the Sun is on the right side, opposite to the solar panels
- the 80 seconds of the video shows no change of orientation, allowing to conclude that there is no fast tumbling and that if there is a rotation, it is slow (the part of the orbit corresponding to the passage may be considered as straight)

What elements allow to say that there were a reversing and that the solar panels were correctly oriented at a moment?
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« Reply #33 on: 01/05/2012 04:59 pm »
Many thanks for your welcome, I really appreciate!

However, it is not clear that this supports any reversing of FG's orientation.   Do you have a link to where that was discussed?  Trailing the solar panels looks like an aerodynamically stable orientation, with the mass forward and the drag behind.  The image shows the orientation clearly, but it is only one point in time.  We only know that it was the other way, facing the Sun, a few weeks ago.  How one gets frequent reversing from that is not obvious.

of course I don't know if this orientation is permanent, and if so if it's towards the Sun or towards the atmosphere because of aerodynamics. What I can just say is:
- thanks to a very precise and specific orientation of the telescope mount with regard to the orbit, the movement of the satellite remains strictly horizontal in the image (from left to right) during the whole passage
- the Sun is on the right side
- the 80 seconds of the video shows no change of orientation, allowing to conclude that there is no fast tumbling and that if there is a rotation, it is slow (the part of the orbit corresponding to the passage may be considered as straight)

What elements allow to say that there were a reversing and that the solar panels were correctly oriented at a moment?

The question on support for the contention that PG is reversing was for BenTheSpaceBrit.

Your exquisite imagery shows that PG was stable for the duration of the pass.  (Did you align the polar axis of your telescope to the orbit normal to prevent image rotation?)

Because PG communicated with Perth at some point (Nov?), it must have been oriented to the Sun to get power.
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« Reply #34 on: 01/05/2012 05:02 pm »
Hi Thierry, just want to say that I love your work, especially your Solar transits of Shuttle/ISS, and your Lunar transits of ISS. :)
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« Reply #35 on: 01/05/2012 05:06 pm »
You should monetize somehow your work. At least to get a Meade MAX 20" ACF. ;)

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« Reply #36 on: 01/05/2012 05:24 pm »
You should monetize somehow your work. At least to get a Meade MAX 20" ACF. ;)

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« Reply #37 on: 01/05/2012 05:39 pm »
Nice shot Thierry!  I've tweeted your photo to my followers on Twitter!

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« Reply #38 on: 01/05/2012 05:53 pm »
Your exquisite imagery shows that PG was stable for the duration of the pass.  (Did you align the polar axis of your telescope to the orbit normal to prevent image rotation?)

Actually the German mount is aligned so that the polar axis is perpendicular to the plane of the apparent trajectory of the satellite, so that the satellite seems to follow the "equator" of the mount. Therefore it's moving only along one axis (Right Ascension).

Because PG communicated with Perth at some point (Nov?), it must have been oriented to the Sun to get power.

isn't there any battery that powers the probe before deployment of the solar panels?

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« Reply #39 on: 01/05/2012 06:24 pm »
Because PG communicated with Perth at some point (Nov?), it must have been oriented to the Sun to get power.

isn't there any battery that powers the probe before deployment of the solar panels?

Yes, but not for very long.
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