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Weekend aircraft testing continues as we wrap up a full day of fueling operations and engine runs.  All engines successfully tested to max power settings.

They way they're going they'll be exceeding engine TTO soon.. and desert sand can't be a good thing at max thrust.  Most likely they have a completely different set of engines for flight test, but I do wish they'd TAKE OFF ALREADY!
With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine - however, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are
going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead.

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Weekend aircraft testing continues as we wrap up a full day of fueling operations and engine runs.  All engines successfully tested to max power settings.

They way they're going they'll be exceeding engine TTO soon.. and desert sand can't be a good thing at max thrust.  Most likely they have a completely different set of engines for flight test, but I do wish they'd TAKE OFF ALREADY!

not likely ...these engines are bullet proof

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Weekend aircraft testing continues as we wrap up a full day of fueling operations and engine runs.  All engines successfully tested to max power settings.

They way they're going they'll be exceeding engine TTO soon.. and desert sand can't be a good thing at max thrust.  Most likely they have a completely different set of engines for flight test, but I do wish they'd TAKE OFF ALREADY!

Half the reason they bought 2 747s was for the engines. This is a budget project. They're probably spending less than 1/10 what Boeing would on an aircraft this class.
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Weekend aircraft testing continues as we wrap up a full day of fueling operations and engine runs.  All engines successfully tested to max power settings.

They way they're going they'll be exceeding engine TTO soon.. and desert sand can't be a good thing at max thrust.  Most likely they have a completely different set of engines for flight test, but I do wish they'd TAKE OFF ALREADY!

Half the reason they bought 2 747s was for the engines. This is a budget project. They're probably spending less than 1/10 what Boeing would on an aircraft this class.

because they dont have to get certificated

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The Stratolaunch aircraft is back in the hanger tonight. We didn’t make it to the main runway for taxi testing this weekend. Successfully completed fueling ops, engine runs, and communications testing. We’ll be outside again very soon.

https://twitter.com/wjeanfloyd/status/1028807019204030464

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Half the reason they bought 2 747s was for the engines. This is a budget project. They're probably spending less than 1/10 what Boeing would on an aircraft this class.

because they dont have to get certificated

The World's Largest Experimental Aircraft.. is there a Guinness Book of Records entry for that?!?  ;D
With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine - however, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are
going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead.

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Half the reason they bought 2 747s was for the engines. This is a budget project. They're probably spending less than 1/10 what Boeing would on an aircraft this class.

because they dont have to get certificated

The World's Largest Experimental Aircraft.. is there a Guinness Book of Records entry for that?!?  ;D


If there is it’s either held by the H-4 or the AN-224
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Weekend aircraft testing continues as we wrap up a full day of fueling operations and engine runs.  All engines successfully tested to max power settings.

They way they're going they'll be exceeding engine TTO soon.. and desert sand can't be a good thing at max thrust.  Most likely they have a completely different set of engines for flight test, but I do wish they'd TAKE OFF ALREADY!

Half the reason they bought 2 747s was for the engines. This is a budget project. They're probably spending less than 1/10 what Boeing would on an aircraft this class.

because they dont have to get certificated
That's probably 10-25% of the cost difference. The rest is ... it's Boeing.
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Stratolaunch Inches Closer To First Flight
Aug 15, 2018 Guy Norris | Aerospace Daily & Defense Report


LOS ANGELES—Stratolaunch Systems rolled out its giant twin-fuselage, air-launch rocket carrier aircraft at Mojave Air & Space Port in California for more preflight tests on Aug 10, but did not perform taxi tests as planned due to nose-gear steering issues.

The aircraft, which has a wingspan of 385 ft., is expected to make its first flight later this year after completing a series of progressively faster test runs along Mojave’s 12,500-ft.-long main runway 12/30. Stratolaunch’s carrier aircraft initially moved under its own power for the first time in December 2017 and achieved a speed of 40 kt. during subsequent taxi tests in late February.

The latest test was aimed at evaluating steering, braking and other systems at 70 kt., before follow-on tests in the coming weeks at 85 and 120 kt. The final speed is close to takeoff speed, the company says. But after the nose gear steering anomaly is corrected, it is likely that an additional taxi run will be added to complete the test points.

Commenting on social media, Stratolaunch CEO Jean Floyd says, “We didn’t make it to the main runway for taxi testing this weekend. Successfully completed fueling ops, engine runs, and communications testing. We’ll be outside again very soon.”

The company does not discuss specifics of the schedule. But it says while “eager to see the aircraft fly it is of the utmost importance that we take the time necessary to follow a safe, rigorous, and disciplined testing program.”

Designed to air launch small-to-medium low Earth orbit satellites from altitude, the Stratolaunch is powered by six Pratt & Whitney PW4056 engines. The flight-test program is expected to last between 18 and 24 months, and following FAA certification will focus on initial tests for rocket launches. These are expected to begin with flights of Northrop Grumman’s Pegasus XL, though they are eventually planned to expand to include a wide range of launch vehicles.

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Stratolaunch has confirmed what most people have long speculated: it’s developing its own launch vehicles for its air-launch system, including a reusable space plane that could eventually carry people.

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1031549089828286464

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Single core AND tri-core? No, no, no.

With the constrained launch mass of an air launch vehicle, I really, really doubt the benefits of such a configuration vs simply building one larger two stage vehicle. Much better to minimize development costs with one vehicle and aim for more consistent production.

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Long in-depth Wired piece about the background of Stratolaunch.

https://www.wired.com/story/stratolaunch-airplane-burt-rutan-paul-allen/

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Long in-depth Wired piece about the background of Stratolaunch.

https://www.wired.com/story/stratolaunch-airplane-burt-rutan-paul-allen/

From the article, two paragraphs that describe the plans for the launch vehicles.

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Sharing their road map publicly for the first time, Thornburg and Floyd laid out their plans for Stratolaunch: Its first custom rocket ship will be considerably bigger than the Pegasus, able to transport multiple satellites or other payloads. This medium-size rocket is nicknamed Kraken, after the legendary Icelandic sea monster. Floyd says customers will be able to use it to get satellites into low Earth orbit for less than $30 million, a competitive price and about half of what SpaceX charges for a launch of its Falcon 9 rocket. Floyd estimates that Kraken will be operational in 2022.

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THE NEXT STEPS are more ambitious. In a project codenamed Black Ice, Stratolaunch is designing reusable space planes that will take off from the big airplane and go into orbit. The first one will be programmed to open its bay doors once in orbit and release its payload, perhaps even a fleet of satellites, into space. And then it will return to Earth. The idea is not all that different from the original space shuttle, which was a reusable vehicle that could also steer itself down from orbit to land on a runway. It can “come back and land at Mojave where the plane is waiting, the fuel system is waiting,” Floyd says. “You roll up underneath the plane, you refuel, you put the next payload in, and you go again.” Finally, Stratolaunch aims to build a second version of Black Ice that can carry astronauts. That ship won’t be flying for at least a decade.

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Single core AND tri-core? No, no, no.

With the constrained launch mass of an air launch vehicle, I really, really doubt the benefits of such a configuration vs simply building one larger two stage vehicle. Much better to minimize development costs with one vehicle and aim for more consistent production.

Ground clearance might be a more limiting factor than mass and the booster would allow a larger payload without increasing the first stage diameter vertically or it's length.

Though that could simply be a ground launched version.
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Ground clearance might be a more limiting factor than mass and the booster would allow a larger payload without increasing the first stage diameter vertically or it's length.

Though that could simply be a ground launched version.

Yes, though I am commenting on the use of staged boosters and the fallacy of "just sticking 3 boosters together" to make rocket variants. A more sensible alternative would be a 3 tank cluster that makes one unified stage akin to Proton and Saturn I.

Parallel staging has its benefits in increasing payload, at the cost of increased difficulty in development. For where a medium lift vehicle will be in the market I have my doubts that the increased complexity would be worth it.

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A little more info in an ArsTechnica article:
Single core - 3.4 tons to LEO
Tri core - 6 tons to LEO
https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/08/stratolaunch-announces-not-one-but-an-entire-fleet-of-rockets/

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6 tons to LEO? Should be enough to throw a light all-electric comsat (Boeing 702SP etc) to GTO, assuming a decent upper stage, right? Otherwise I don't see where the market comes from in just LEO.

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6 tons to LEO? Should be enough to throw a light all-electric comsat (Boeing 702SP etc) to GTO, assuming a decent upper stage, right? Otherwise I don't see where the market comes from in just LEO.

Constellation deployment.

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Interesting that the largest expendable option is only 6 tons to LEO. From previous studies (Teledyne Brown especially) it seems like this should be able to do 15-20 tons easily with a reusable SSTO, nevermind expendable TSTOs. Where is all this wasted performance?

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Official images and information available on their relaunched website, includes plan view renderings (attached).
http://www.stratolaunch.com/how-we-launch/

Medium Launch Vehicle




Medium Launch Vehicle - Heavy (Extra Medium?)




Space Plane


Interestingly, the Medium variant pictured in Stratolaunch's official press release is quite different from the one Jeff Foust tweeted earlier. The quad fins at the base are shown replaced by a centrally mounted delta wings.
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