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YG-16 Yaogan Weixing-16 CZ-4C Jiuquan launch - November 25, 2012
by
Satori
on 13 Dec, 2011 16:32
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This launch was previously schedule for December 5th but was delayed to January 2012.
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#1
by
beidou
on 29 May, 2012 21:25
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There have been discussions about the launch of Yaogan 16 in May or early June (before launch of SZ-9) on Chinese online forum for a while; regarding the Yaogan 15 was sent into space even without a NOTAM, it's likely that Yaogan 16 could be launched very soon.
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#2
by
Satori
on 29 May, 2012 21:36
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China simply doesn't stop! Amazing!
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#3
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Phillip Clark
on 31 May, 2012 11:58
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China simply doesn't stop! Amazing!
I have the idea that Yaogan Weixing and Shijian together are the "Chinese Cosmos" programme.
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#4
by
Galactic Penguin SST
on 31 May, 2012 13:02
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This, I believe, is the same as
this one. I honestly don't think it can be launched in June; after all, SZ-9 is NET mid-June and should claim the "range" for some time. Plus the launch has always been scheduled in "mid-2012", so I think later this summer is more likely.
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#5
by
Liss
on 01 Jun, 2012 12:39
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Yaogan 9 and Yaogan 16 real name seems to be XX-8:
邵庆军 男， 1968年11月出生。1994年毕业于东南大学，工学学士，高级工程师。 1994年就开始从事项目管理工作。现航天东方红卫星有限公司项目办项目副经理。 曾先后参与[海洋一号卫星项目]、[实验卫星二号项目]、[XX-2卫星项目]、[XX-8卫星项目] （一颗主星、两颗副星）、[试验卫星二号]和[实践六号卫星]26号基地在轨测试项目等等
Shao Qingjun, male, born in November 1968. 1994 graduated from Southeast University, Bachelor of Engineering, Senior Engineer. 1994 began to engage in project management. Now Aerospace Dongfanghong Satellite Company Limited Project Office Deputy Project Manager. Has participated in the [HY-1 satellite project], [Shiyan weixing-2 project], [XX-2 satellite project], [XX-8 satellite project (one star, two Vice-star); [Test Satellite II] and [practice VI satellite] in-orbit testing projects on the 26th base, etc.
I think XX-8 != Jianbing-8, so it'd be interesting to hear suggestions on its real name.
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#6
by
jcm
on 01 Jun, 2012 13:23
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China simply doesn't stop! Amazing!
I have the idea that Yaogan Weixing and Shijian together are the "Chinese Cosmos" programme.
Yes, I agree. The parallel with the Soviet Kosmos series isn't perfect but I've been thinking the same thing.
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#7
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input~2
on 01 Jun, 2012 15:23
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Yaogan 9 and Yaogan 16 real name seems to be XX-8:
[XX-8卫星项目] （一颗主星、两颗副星）
Translates as
[XX-8 satellite project] (one primary satellite, 2 secondary satellites)This description indeed recalls YG-9
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#8
by
jcm
on 02 Jun, 2012 16:06
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I think XX-8 != Jianbing-8, so it'd be interesting to hear suggestions on its real name.
Why do you think != ?
How confident are we of the equation YG-5 = JB-8? Could we be wrong about that?
Seems plausible that XX-8 is JB-8 and the "JB" was censored?
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#9
by
Satori
on 02 Jun, 2012 16:43
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I think XX-8 != Jianbing-8, so it'd be interesting to hear suggestions on its real name.
Why do you think != ?
How confident are we of the equation YG-5 = JB-8? Could we be wrong about that?
Seems plausible that XX-8 is JB-8 and the "JB" was censored?
That looks plausible to me.
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#10
by
Satori
on 02 Jun, 2012 17:28
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How confident are we of the equation YG-5 = JB-8? Could we be wrong about that?
I was looking back at the YG-5 thread and took a look at my personal messages. Back then a source in China told me that the first JB-7 was going to be YG-5. On that same thread, Liss discussed briefly this and got to the conclusion that YG-5 could probably be the first JB-8.
Its not possible to me to get more info from that Chinese source (the last time he was on-line on the forum was in August 2010).
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#11
by
input~2
on 02 Jun, 2012 20:04
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Other occurrences of XX satellites
先后参加了中国第一代通信卫星、XX一号卫星、XX-1卫星、XX-2卫星的研究工作。XX一号卫星获得国防科技一等奖、XX-1卫星获得国家科技进步一等奖和国防科技一等奖。
"China first generation of communication satellites
XX1"
Some sources for those interested in XX code:
source 1source 2source 3source 4
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#12
by
Liss
on 02 Jun, 2012 21:40
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I think XX-8 != Jianbing-8, so it'd be interesting to hear suggestions on its real name.
Why do you think != ?
How confident are we of the equation YG-5 = JB-8? Could we be wrong about that?
Seems plausible that XX-8 is JB-8 and the "JB" was censored?
As YG-5 was launched, I left it without JB designator. But prior to the launch, JB-8 designator did appear as a name for a future 'Chinese KH-12' so it seemed to be a good idea to apply it to YG-5 retroactively.
I did this in June 2009 after YG-6 was launched. It could be an error -- but then one should propose another designator for YG-5/12 optical satellites.
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#13
by
Liss
on 02 Jun, 2012 22:47
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Some sources for those interested in XX code:
source 1
source 2
source 3
source 4
Oh well, I can add that searching site:www.xatrm.com/api/sta/ with XX yields mentions of XX-1R, XX-2, XX二号卫星, XX-5, XX-11 and XX-Z. Most of these may be probably communications satellites...
And more interesting names are available from
http://www.xmkjcg.gov.cn/jsp/achiaward/achiawardShow.jsp?awardid=1179&item_305=3 where high efficiency solar cells are discussed:
该产品已成功地装备了多颗卫星，包括JB-8、QS-2、MS-1、ZY（03、04）、HY-2、TY-1，其中ZY(03、04)卫星已出口巴西，正在装备的卫星还包括探月二期、SY-2、XX-11、XX-12、LD-3、LD-2、FY-4等。
Of these, I do not know what is TY-1, XX-11, XX-12, LD-3 and LD-2.
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#14
by
Liss
on 03 Jun, 2012 09:23
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There exists at least one Chinese-language forum where JB-8 designator was used for the Yaogan 9 triplet back in March 2010. Search for 中国尖兵八号卫星轨道参数.
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#15
by
limen4
on 03 Jun, 2012 11:15
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Of these, I do not know what is TY-1, XX-11, XX-12, LD-3 and LD-2.
LD could refer to Leidian (雷电) . Because SJ-6B was called LD-1 during design phase LD-2 and LD-3 could be follow-on versions.
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#16
by
Liss
on 03 Jun, 2012 16:52
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Of these, I do not know what is TY-1, XX-11, XX-12, LD-3 and LD-2.
LD could refer to Leidian (雷电) . Because SJ-6B was called LD-1 during design phase LD-2 and LD-3 could be follow-on versions.
It was my idea too, but where are they? Of course we can suppose different versions between the four launched SJ-6Bs...
Can XX-11 and XX-12 be Jianbings? Probably yes but I'd like to find confirmations and to re-match Yaogans to Jiangbins...
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#17
by
Galactic Penguin SST
on 05 Jun, 2012 05:18
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Apparently the team of engineers for satellite(s) processing has departed for JSLC to
join the Shenzhou 9 party start launch processing. So it seems the launch can be in July.
Source
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#18
by
Galactic Penguin SST
on 27 Jun, 2012 12:45
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#19
by
Satori
on 27 Jun, 2012 12:54
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#20
by
Galactic Penguin SST
on 27 Jun, 2012 12:58
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#21
by
Galactic Penguin SST
on 14 Jul, 2012 18:02
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#22
by
Galactic Penguin SST
on 25 Aug, 2012 04:23
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#23
by
Galactic Penguin SST
on 27 Oct, 2012 13:42
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#24
by
Satori
on 01 Nov, 2012 16:34
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Apparently and according to the SinoDefense Forum, the YG-16 satellites have arrived to Jiuquan on September 25.
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#25
by
Satori
on 15 Nov, 2012 16:29
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#26
by
Satori
on 20 Nov, 2012 17:59
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Still no info about this launch?
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#27
by
beidou
on 20 Nov, 2012 18:42
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Still no info about this launch?
Sadly no.
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#28
by
Galactic Penguin SST
on 20 Nov, 2012 18:57
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Still no info about this launch?
I saw the blog of someone working with DFH satellite corporation/CAST who have just worked on FN-1 and saw the launch from Taiyuan saying that he will move on to JSLC (keep in mind that the YG-9 trio are built by CAST). So I guess the launch could be within this week (or at most early next week).
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#29
by
Galactic Penguin SST
on 24 Nov, 2012 05:56
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#30
by
Galactic Penguin SST
on 24 Nov, 2012 12:43
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Saw that the launch may be scheduled for tomorrow. I guess we'll know the launch time soon when the air space closures are announced in a few hours....
http://bbs.fsfans.net/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=7380&pid=229540
No NOTAMs as of right now (so launch time as yet unknown), but I can confirm that the launch is scheduled for tomorrow, per reports from people working at the launch site, plus another from a CALT manager that just flew from Beijing for the launch.
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#31
by
Galactic Penguin SST
on 24 Nov, 2012 13:56
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Note sure if these air route closures are related (seems strange for a launch to close just some air levels....), but will take note anyway....
A1503/12 - THE SEGMENT JIAYUGUAN VOR 'CHW'-YABRAI VOR 'YBL' OF ATS RTE B215 CLSD AT 12500M AND BELOW. FL000 - FL411, 25 NOV 01:00 2012 UNTIL 25 NOV 09:50 2012. CREATED: 24 NOV 14:52 2012
A1502/12 - THE FLW SEGMENTS OF ATS RTE CLSD BTN 9800M(INCLUSIVE) AND 12200M(INCLUSIVE): 1.B330:YABRAI VOR 'YBL'-MORIT 2.W66: DENGKOU VOR 'DKO'-GOBIN. FL321 - FL401, 25 NOV 01:30 2012 UNTIL 25 NOV 04:00 2012. CREATED: 24 NOV 14:51 2012
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#32
by
Galactic Penguin SST
on 25 Nov, 2012 03:11
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BREAKING NEWS: Launch has just occurred!
Here's a pre-launch photo of the launch site:
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#33
by
Galactic Penguin SST
on 25 Nov, 2012 03:57
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#34
by
Chris Bergin
on 25 Nov, 2012 05:22
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#35
by
Galactic Penguin SST
on 25 Nov, 2012 05:26
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#36
by
input~2
on 25 Nov, 2012 06:26
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USSTRATCOM has catalogued a first object:
39011/ 2012-066A in 1084.9 x 1104.6 km x 63.39°
(epoch Nov 25, 05:51:19UTC)
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#37
by
Satori
on 25 Nov, 2012 07:29
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Fairing similar to the YG-9 mission, so this is indeed the second NOSS-type mission.
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#38
by
input~2
on 25 Nov, 2012 07:29
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#39
by
Satori
on 25 Nov, 2012 07:40
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#40
by
Galactic Penguin SST
on 25 Nov, 2012 09:38
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Other launch photos.
.... with higher resolution.
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#41
by
Liss
on 25 Nov, 2012 09:54
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All the four objects 39011-39014 have elsets now.
Orbital plane is some 75° to the west of the 2010 group.
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#42
by
Satori
on 25 Nov, 2012 10:21
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#43
by
Galactic Penguin SST
on 25 Nov, 2012 14:29
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#44
by
Satori
on 25 Nov, 2012 17:27
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Shame that the exact launch time isn't quite visible....
Looks like 0406:04.438UTC... but I'm not sure
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#45
by
beidou
on 28 Nov, 2012 19:11
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#46
by
Liss
on 26 Dec, 2012 19:44
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Expected orbital configuration has been achieved as well as the operational orbit with mean motion = 13.4506 equal to the orbit of the 2010 trio. By December 25, object C moved 2.3 orbits forward with respect to its original position whereas objects A and B moved 0.3 orbits.
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#47
by
ChileVerde
on 07 Jan, 2013 13:58
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From a SeeSat-L post earlier today:
http://www.satobs.org/seesat/Jan-2013/0047.html
Yaogan 16 now in formation...
A review of the current USSTRATCOM TLEs revealed that the formation reformed on or about Dec 25th, 2012 after at least two coordinated maneuvers by the (A) and (B) objects. These maneuvers were followed up by the (C) object as it maneuvered a number of times to match the mean motion of the other two. This behaviour was somewhat different than the commissioning sequence of Yaogan 9 which only maneuvered the 'drifting' s/c to finalize the commissioning sequence.
The Mean Motion of the formation appears to match that of Yaogan 9 suggesting coordinated use as is suspected by US NOSS.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15916951/SATOBS/yaogan_commissioning_2.pdf
http://210.82.31.84:9000/rp/fs/cp/98/36/20121128/2/content_1.htm
