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Offline Chris Bergin

NASA PAO for the win! :D

"NASA's future heavy-lift rocket, the Space Launch System, can carry 130 metric tons to orbit, which is equal to 21 fully grown elephants."

That's had me in tears for the last five minutes ;D

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Re: Explaining 130mt into space to the public
« Reply #1 on: 11/29/2011 12:29 PM »
Yeah because, you know, always wanted to send elephants into space....now we can send lots of them.
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Re: Explaining 130mt into space to the public
« Reply #2 on: 11/29/2011 12:33 PM »
We could launch a couple earlier in the Cygnus' trunk?

Booooo, I'll me coat ;)

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Re: Explaining 130mt into space to the public
« Reply #3 on: 11/29/2011 12:52 PM »
Its roughly the size of 286,600  1lb bags of sugar...

But I thought this thread was going to be about explaining "Why 130mt?" to the public... now that's a challenge!

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Re: Explaining 130mt into space to the public
« Reply #4 on: 11/29/2011 01:03 PM »
Its roughly the size of 286,600  1lb bags of sugar...

But I thought this thread was going to be about explaining "Why 130mt?" to the public... now that's a challenge!

I think that you misread.  It means 'what is 130 metric tonnes?'

I remember that Sergei Korolev called the Saturn-V a 'flying battleship' because its fuelled pad weight was about the same as a WW2 destroyer's maximum displacement. 

Technical figures, especially the less-familiar metric tonne, are probably not automatically familiar to non-technical readers.  A certain degree of translation is needed.  Personally, I'd just give the alternate weight in pounds and statue tons, which are both weights that the layman knows.
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Re: Explaining 130mt into space to the public
« Reply #5 on: 11/29/2011 01:08 PM »
Personally, I'd just give the alternate weight in pounds and statue tons, which are both weights that the layman knows.

How many statues is that, BTW?

Are they statues of elephants?

cheers, Martin
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Re: Explaining 130mt into space to the public
« Reply #6 on: 11/29/2011 01:11 PM »
Personally, I'd just give the alternate weight in pounds and statue tons, which are both weights that the layman knows.

How many statues is that, BTW?

Are they statues of elephants?

cheers, Martin

286,000 statue pounds  ;D

edit, I remember a picture posted of a Direct variant that could launch an Abrams Tank, how many Tanks could this launch??
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Re: Explaining 130mt into space to the public
« Reply #7 on: 11/29/2011 01:19 PM »
edit, I remember a picture posted of a Direct variant that could launch an Abrams Tank, how many Tanks could this launch??

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Re: Explaining 130mt into space to the public
« Reply #8 on: 11/29/2011 01:36 PM »
I don't care what they fly!
I will be there to see it!


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Re: Explaining 130mt into space to the public
« Reply #9 on: 11/29/2011 01:38 PM »
21 fully grown elephants."

Well, he didn't say white elephants...  ;)
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Re: Explaining 130mt into space to the public
« Reply #10 on: 11/29/2011 02:32 PM »
Yeah because, you know, always wanted to send elephants into space....now we can send lots of them.

Have you read Footfall by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle?  ;)

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Re: Explaining 130mt into space to the public
« Reply #11 on: 11/29/2011 02:55 PM »
Its roughly the size of 286,600  1lb bags of sugar...

But I thought this thread was going to be about explaining "Why 130mt?" to the public... now that's a challenge!

Well, it's also somewhere on the high side of 288 Reliant Robins (that ought to make the Top Gear guys jealous!) ... ;)

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Re: Explaining 130mt into space to the public
« Reply #12 on: 11/29/2011 04:08 PM »
"NASA's future heavy-lift rocket, the Space Launch System, can carry 130 metric tons to orbit, which is equal to 21 fully grown elephants."

Elephants!  Ah! Monty Python's Flying Circus is reaching new heights.

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Re: Explaining 130mt into space to the public
« Reply #13 on: 11/29/2011 04:17 PM »
Its roughly the size of 286,600  1lb bags of sugar...

But I thought this thread was going to be about explaining "Why 130mt?" to the public... now that's a challenge!

Well, it's also somewhere on the high side of 288 Reliant Robins (that ought to make the Top Gear guys jealous!) ... ;)

It could fly the entire cast of the "Biggest Looser" at their pre-season weights to space?

Or 3 NJ Governor Chris Christie's?

Or just 1 Michael Moore?

;-)

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Re: Explaining 130mt into space to the public
« Reply #14 on: 11/29/2011 04:56 PM »
It is beyond me why they don't jut use some kind of standardized car or truck as the metric,..PAO gawd help us! Really the most effective descriptor for MSL was a mini copper, people just get it. So how many say standard midsized cars or better yet, how many Tesla sports cars is that,.LOL


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Re: Explaining 130mt into space to the public
« Reply #15 on: 11/29/2011 05:42 PM »
It is beyond me why they don't jut use some kind of standardized car or truck as the metric,..PAO gawd help us! Really the most effective descriptor for MSL was a mini copper, people just get it. So how many say standard midsized cars or better yet, how many Tesla sports cars is that,.LOL



A couple of M1 Abrams tanks, and a few Humvee's for good measure?

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Re: Explaining 130mt into space to the public
« Reply #16 on: 11/29/2011 06:18 PM »
We wouldn't need that if we just had an Elephant Depot......

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Re: Explaining 130mt into space to the public
« Reply #17 on: 11/29/2011 06:48 PM »
No, they should compare it to notable spacecraft. For example, "NASA's future heavy-lift rocket, the Space Launch System, can carry 130 metric tons to orbit, which is equal to 11 Hubble Space Telescopes".

But then people might wonder how in the world we could afford something on the order of 11 Hubbles... So maybe we should keep it light (no pun intended) and stick to intentionally absurd units of measure like elephants or school buses (9 full-size school buses -- now that's something to think about!).

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Re: Explaining 130mt into space to the public
« Reply #18 on: 11/29/2011 06:55 PM »
It would all make sense ... if they were hypergolic elephants!  :)
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Re: Explaining 130mt into space to the public
« Reply #19 on: 11/29/2011 07:07 PM »
Surely that would be "spherical elephants in a vacuum"?

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_cow

cheers, Martin

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