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#560
by
scpc
on 25 Nov, 2011 11:34
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#561
by
Rocket Science
on 25 Nov, 2011 11:43
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Roscosmos could actually avoid badmouthing, wild speculation and translation errors if they would finally give up their ‘Cold War” mentality and hold press conferences with accurate press releases…
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#562
by
Cbased
on 25 Nov, 2011 12:03
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#563
by
geza
on 25 Nov, 2011 12:25
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Google translation is strange. The same Russian word was translated as "defective" in one sentence (and in the title) and as "working correctly" in an another sentence. Fortunately, the second one is the correct translation. Logically: if it was possible to communicate with the computer, then it is working.
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#564
by
scpc
on 25 Nov, 2011 12:47
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#565
by
Chris Bergin
on 25 Nov, 2011 12:53
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Probably best for a Russian-English speaker to let us know what they read it as, as I've also found google translator is only any good as a back up.
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#566
by
scpc
on 25 Nov, 2011 12:55
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#567
by
bolun
on 25 Nov, 2011 13:01
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#568
by
Michael J
on 25 Nov, 2011 13:03
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Probably best for a Russian-English speaker to let us know what they read it as, as I've also found google translator is only any good as a back up.
I agree. Another reason I find this thread so valuable and hence why I am directing my followers to it.
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#569
by
Skylab
on 25 Nov, 2011 13:14
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News item: Looks like ESA will wait until Monday before trying again.
And officially:
The next scheduled communication slots for ESA's Perth station are set for the night of 28 November, when it will again be allocated to support Phobos–Grunt.
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Operations/SEMQTNZW5VG_0.html
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#570
by
geza
on 25 Nov, 2011 13:23
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I can assure you that the Russian text says unequivocally that the system in question works. The text mention "computer" in one sentence and "complex" in the another. They are probably the same thing - if not, both of them are OK.
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#571
by
Gatewave
on 25 Nov, 2011 13:26
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Probably best for a Russian-English speaker to let us know what they read it as, as I've also found google translator is only any good as a back up.
Just to confirm after going through the Russian text the source (Anna Vedisheva) said that both on-board computer and controlling systems are functioning normally.
Confirming from my own translation as a Russian speaker.
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#572
by
Ben the Space Brit
on 25 Nov, 2011 13:33
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Probably best for a Russian-English speaker to let us know what they read it as, as I've also found google translator is only any good as a back up.
Just to confirm after going through the Russian text the source (Anna Vedisheva) said that both on-board computer and controlling systems are functioning normally.
So, it's beginning to look like a fault with the MPS?
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#573
by
Skylab
on 25 Nov, 2011 13:35
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Probably best for a Russian-English speaker to let us know what they read it as, as I've also found google translator is only any good as a back up.
This one seems to fare slightly better:
http://www.online-translator.comBut I rely most on those able to translate on here, and thank them!
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#574
by
kukushk
on 25 Nov, 2011 13:36
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News update: Roscosmos: On-board computer "Phobos-Grunt" defective.
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?act=url&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/20111125153852.shtml&usg=ALkJrhirnQiblLWaAVn9x6730SKw_BXEww
Note: Meaning could be lost in translation.
Here is my translation
Roscosmos: The Phobos-Grunt flight computer is in working condition
Telemetry data from the Russian space probe "Phobos-Grunt" have been decoded and the information obtained suggests the onboard computer is in working condition. This was reported by the Anna Vedisheva, press secretary of the Roscosmos chief.
[The Russian word "исправен" used here is ambiguous, because it means "in working order" but doesn't explicitly specify whether the computer is actually working at the moment.]As a reminder to our readers, communications were established with the spacecraft from the Baikonur cosmodrome yesterday. On November 23, the Perth tracking station managed to communicate with the spacecraft from the fourth attempt.
The "Zenit-2SB" launch vehicle with Phobos-Grunt lifted off from the Baikonur cosmodrome on November 9. During the orbital insertion
(sic!), an anomaly happened and the station remained stuck in the base orbit. At that moment, "Phobos-Grunt" was outside of the range of tracking stations. It is assumed that a technical defect was the cause.
"Phobos-Grunt" was supposed to fly to the Martian satellite Phobos. It is the first such launch in the past 15 years. The probe was supposed to investigate Phobos and deliver soil samples back to Earth. Apart from that, several investigations of Phobos and Mars were planned, both using remote sensing and in-situ experiments. Together with "Phobos-Grunt", the Chinese microsatellite" YH-1" was supposed to go to Mars. Phobos-Grunt was insured for 1.2 billion rubles.
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#575
by
Chris Bergin
on 25 Nov, 2011 13:43
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And a big welcome - and thanks - to Gatewave and Kukushk for the above!
Welcome to the site's forum!
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#576
by
Gatewave
on 25 Nov, 2011 13:49
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According to this article in RIA news
http://www.ria.ru/science/20111125/497969656.htmlESA is going to give another go trying to establish communication tonight between 25 to 26th of Nov before they stop the attempts until Monday. At least some hope that extra time is given for further communication.
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#577
by
Gatewave
on 25 Nov, 2011 14:13
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And a big welcome - and thanks - to Gatewave and Kukushk for the above!
Welcome to the site's forum!
Thanks been following this thread on the forum quietly and thought to join up as this place is a great source of information and users who really know their stuff.
Question if I may, to establish open communication channel with the space craft in the X band with very narrow beam the space craft needs to be quite steady in its orbit without any movement in its X or Y axis correct?
Even a slight spin will basically break the communication line as the directional antenna will not be point down to earth at all time during these passes.
So just the fact that anyone was able to establish communication and downlink any data is an indication that the space craft is quite stable or even if spinning this spin rate is very slow, and perhaps because of this slow spin rate the repeated communication was not possible in the latest series of passes over the Perths station (antenna was not pointing down during the pass).
Could someone please confirm if this thought is logical?
Thanks
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#578
by
bolun
on 25 Nov, 2011 16:01
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#579
by
clongton
on 25 Nov, 2011 16:39
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Celebrations!!
Does anyone have any information regarding the "secondary" mission Chris spoke of and how much, if any, of the primary mission might be salvaged, assuming that the TMI burn works?
