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LIVE: Proton-M launch with Luch-5A and AMOS-5 - 11 december 2011
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Nicolas PILLET
on 07 Nov, 2011 15:34
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#1
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Nicolas PILLET
on 10 Nov, 2011 17:27
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#2
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Stan Black
on 11 Nov, 2011 18:32
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#3
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Danderman
on 11 Nov, 2011 20:41
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How is Proton able to deploy 2 satellites? Is Luch somehow able to support the mass of the Israeli satellite?
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#4
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Stan Black
on 11 Nov, 2011 20:46
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#5
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sdsds
on 11 Nov, 2011 21:10
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The image caption translates, "PCM spacecraft AMOS-5 and the inertial mass
model of the satellite "Luch-5A" in an acoustic chamber."
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#6
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Nicolas PILLET
on 16 Nov, 2011 18:06
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#7
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Prober
on 16 Nov, 2011 20:08
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Do I understand this right? Luch might be able to communicate with Phobos-Grunt?
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#8
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Nicolas PILLET
on 23 Nov, 2011 16:54
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#9
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Danderman
on 23 Nov, 2011 17:16
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Do I understand this right? Luch might be able to communicate with Phobos-Grunt?
For a spacecraft to communicate with Luch, a dedicated steerable Ku band antenna is required; this would be as useful for Phobos-Grunt as a boat anchor.
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#10
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anik
on 25 Nov, 2011 16:54
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The launch is planned at 11:17:00 UTC on December 11th.
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#11
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Gorizont
on 29 Nov, 2011 15:26
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#12
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Jason1701
on 29 Nov, 2011 17:30
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Was the bottom satellite designed specifically so another could be mounted on top of it?
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#13
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Stan Black
on 29 Nov, 2011 19:53
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#14
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jacqmans
on 30 Nov, 2011 13:08
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#15
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PDJennings
on 30 Nov, 2011 16:16
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Any idea why the fairing was rotated vertical? That's not normally done for the commercial launches.
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#16
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Lewis007
on 07 Dec, 2011 07:27
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#17
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Salo
on 08 Dec, 2011 14:09
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#18
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Salo
on 09 Dec, 2011 10:37
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#19
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Jason1701
on 10 Dec, 2011 16:38
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Will this government launch have a live broadcast?
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#20
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Satori
on 10 Dec, 2011 16:59
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#21
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Salo
on 10 Dec, 2011 20:13
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#22
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Phillip Clark
on 11 Dec, 2011 09:08
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The Tsenki site says that the broadcast should start about two hours before launch but 70 minutes before launch there's nothing showing.
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#23
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tehwkd
on 11 Dec, 2011 09:09
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The Tsenki site says that the broadcast should start about two hours before launch but 70 minutes before launch there's nothing showing.
http://www.tv-tsenki.com/live7.php is working
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#24
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Phillip Clark
on 11 Dec, 2011 09:12
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Got it - thank you!!!!!!!
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#25
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 09:13
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Moved for live coverage...
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#26
by
Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 09:14
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#27
by
Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 09:18
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#28
by
Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 09:20
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#29
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tehwkd
on 11 Dec, 2011 09:22
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#30
by
Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 09:23
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#31
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tehwkd
on 11 Dec, 2011 09:26
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just me, or is audio off again for this launch
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#32
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Phillip Clark
on 11 Dec, 2011 09:30
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I have never had audio for Tsenki launches.
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#33
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 09:31
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#34
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 09:32
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just me, or is audio off again for this launch
Yes, I don't hace audio too. On the last launches audio there was a nice audio.
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#35
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 09:33
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ah! Use mms://www.space-center.ru/video Nice audio there!!!
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#36
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Phillip Clark
on 11 Dec, 2011 09:36
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I keep getting a white rotating circle in the centre of the screen. Any ideas what it is? The broadband is working well, so I doubt it's that.
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#37
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 09:36
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ah! Use mms://www.space-center.ru/video Nice audio there!!!
Humm, but I think the audio is not from this launch... crickets in winter?
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#38
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 09:37
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I keep getting a white rotating circle in the centre of the screen. Any ideas what it is? The broadband is working well, so I doubt it's that.
The rotating circle indicates stream problems.
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#39
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 09:39
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#40
by
Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 09:39
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#41
by
Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 09:46
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#42
by
Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 09:47
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T-30 minutes.
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#43
by
Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 09:52
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Information about the launch.
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#44
by
Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 09:59
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#45
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Phillip Clark
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:01
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Information about the launch.
Not seen anything that shows the Briz-M orbits as it manoeuvres. Is there a Khrunichev document with this?
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#46
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:01
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#47
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:02
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Information about the launch.
Not seen anything that shows the Briz-M orbits as it manoeuvres. Is there a Khrunichev document with this?
Didn't find any info from Khrunichev about it, sorry.
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#48
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:02
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T-15 minutes...
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#49
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:04
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#50
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:07
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#51
by
Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:09
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#52
by
spaceStalker
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:10
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The sound feed doesn't match what is seen on tsenki.com feeds - the rocket just blast off
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#53
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:12
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T-5 minutes...
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#54
by
Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:15
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#55
by
Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:16
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60 seconds...
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#56
by
Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:16
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#57
by
Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:17
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LAUNCH!!!!!!!!!
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#58
by
Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:18
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Into first stage!
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#59
by
Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:20
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Stage 1-2 sep!
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#60
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:20
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#61
by
Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:21
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The show is over for these guys...
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#62
by
Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:24
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Stage 2-3 sep!
And we also have fairing sep!
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#63
by
Bugfix
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:25
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Firefighters at the launch pad - is this normal?
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#64
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:26
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People at the launch pad already...
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#65
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:26
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Firefighters at the launch pad - is this normal?
Yes, it is.
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#66
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:27
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We have third stage shutdown and separation of the Briz-M with the two satellites. Waiting for Briz-M first ignition.
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#67
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:28
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And we have Briz-M ignition!
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#68
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:30
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Briz-M first ignition will last 4m 23s.
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#69
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patchfree
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:33
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Nice report Satori!
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#70
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:33
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End of Briz-M first ignition.
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#71
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tehwkd
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:33
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Launch of Proton Briz-M carrying Luch-5A & Amos-5.
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#72
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patchfree
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:34
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But I have not observed the 2nd stage trace falling down on the diagram from Khrunitchev. Is-it normal?
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#73
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:35
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Second Briz-M ignition will take place at T+1h 7m 35s... So we still have a loooong way to go until the end of the mission.
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#74
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:37
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But I have not observed the 2nd stage trace falling down on the diagram from Khrunitchev. Is-it normal?
Yes. I've compared with previous diagrams and we don't see the 2nd stage trace falling down.
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#75
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patchfree
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:40
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But I have not observed the 2nd stage trace falling down on the diagram from Khrunitchev. Is-it normal?
Yes. I've compared with previous diagrams and we don't see the 2nd stage trace falling down.
Probably a problem of telemetry between the 2nd stage and the ground... as all is OK at this time.
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#76
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:44
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#77
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 10:48
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Just to remind. Luch-5A separation will take place at the end of the Briz-M 4th ignition. Separation occurs at T+8h 54m 10s. After this, the Briz-M will execute another ignition (the 5th) and the end separation of Amos-5 occurs ate T+9h 35m 5s.
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#78
by
input~2
on 11 Dec, 2011 11:08
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#79
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 11:47
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Briz-M second ignition occurred as planned.
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#80
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 11:50
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Briz-M 3rd ignition will take place at T+3h 28m 55s (~1445UTC).
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#81
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input~2
on 11 Dec, 2011 14:58
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#82
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input~2
on 11 Dec, 2011 15:31
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Object A, 37950/2011-074A, catalogued by USSTRATCOM at epoch 1455:51UTC, during the third Briz-M burn, in
325.7 x 4888.5 km @50.25°
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#83
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 15:33
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Briz-M 3rd ignition took place as expected. Separation of auxiliary tanks was successful.
Briz-M 4th ignition will take place at T+8h 57m 26s (~1957UTC).
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#84
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Salo
on 11 Dec, 2011 16:13
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#85
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 16:32
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#86
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Nicolas PILLET
on 11 Dec, 2011 17:03
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#87
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ugordan
on 11 Dec, 2011 17:05
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The visuals definitely give more credence to the claim it's 2nd stage reentry.
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#88
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 17:45
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Launch took place at 1116:59.998UTC.
Proton-M/Briz-M (93523/99525)
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#89
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Chris Bergin
on 11 Dec, 2011 17:56
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Thanks for the coverage Rui and all!
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#90
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 18:53
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4th ignition of the Briz-M to take place in four minutes...
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#91
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 18:58
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Confirmed the 4th ignition of the Briz-M.
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#92
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input~2
on 11 Dec, 2011 18:59
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From Khrunichev:
Achieved "support" orbit (after Briz 1st burn)
172.82 x 173.09 km x 51°28'40"
Achieved "intermediate" orbit (after Briz 2nd burn)
262.39 x 4997.73 km x 50°4'0"
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#93
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 19:11
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End of Briz-M 4th ignition. Standing by to Luch-5A separation.
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#94
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 19:11
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Separation of Luch-5A confirmed!!!
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#95
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Satori
on 11 Dec, 2011 19:13
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Separation of Amos-5 should take place at 2052UTC after the Briz-M 5th burn that will begin at 2050UTC. This burn should last for 47 seconds.
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#96
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input~2
on 11 Dec, 2011 19:26
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#97
by
input~2
on 11 Dec, 2011 19:35
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#98
by
input~2
on 11 Dec, 2011 19:54
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Amos-5 sep!
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#99
by
input~2
on 11 Dec, 2011 20:02
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From Khrunichev:
Achieved "transfer" orbit (after Briz 3rd burn)
395.72 x 35982.20 km x 47°51'24"
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#100
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input~2
on 11 Dec, 2011 20:07
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#101
by
input~2
on 11 Dec, 2011 20:18
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#102
by
input~2
on 11 Dec, 2011 20:24
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#103
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jcm
on 11 Dec, 2011 21:11
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Chris, contrary to your article, the Russian Space Agency launch announcements say Luch-5A is an Express-1000 satellite with a fuelled mass of 1148 kg
(the Khrunichev site said it was only 950 kg). It's a similar design to Amos-5 (which is an Express-1000N) and not the same as the old KAUR-4 based Luch satellites.
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#104
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jcm
on 11 Dec, 2011 21:33
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Khrunichev reports AMOS deployed to a 35659 x 36005 km x 4.9 deg orbit, and
Luch-5A is reported deployed to the 'target orbit' but no parameters given. Will be interesting to see how long it takes Space-Track to find them.
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#105
by
Ronsmytheiii
on 11 Dec, 2011 21:39
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So does the Russian segment need any new equipment to transmit KU-band for Luch or will it go through the USOS Ku-band antenna? If the russian side is independent, any chance of sharing data from both sides as was previously done on the USOS for the Russian side?
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#106
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Prober
on 11 Dec, 2011 22:50
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When is the timetable for Luch-5A to go active?
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#107
by
Galactic Penguin SST
on 12 Dec, 2011 06:12
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So does the Russian segment need any new equipment to transmit KU-band for Luch or will it go through the USOS Ku-band antenna? If the russian side is independent, any chance of sharing data from both sides as was previously done on the USOS for the Russian side?
I remember that (at least for Zvezda) there are unused antennae specifically designed for the Luch system. I might be wrong though.
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#108
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input~2
on 12 Dec, 2011 06:47
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From Khrunichev:
Achieved "target" orbit for Amos-5
35944.77 x 35981.60 km x 0.003°
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#109
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Jorge
on 12 Dec, 2011 07:02
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So does the Russian segment need any new equipment to transmit KU-band for Luch or will it go through the USOS Ku-band antenna? If the russian side is independent, any chance of sharing data from both sides as was previously done on the USOS for the Russian side?
I remember that (at least for Zvezda) there are unused antennae specifically designed for the Luch system. I might be wrong though.
The big antenna on the aft end of Zvezda was for the Luch system.
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#110
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input~2
on 12 Dec, 2011 07:02
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#111
by
input~2
on 12 Dec, 2011 07:19
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Amos-5 (which is an Express-1000N)
Jonathan, the name of the platform is given as Express 1000
H in English by ISS Reshetnev (so the H does not seem to be Cyrillic for N here
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The spacecraft is based on ISS Reshetnev’s Express 1000H unpressurized platform
from
http://www.iss-reshetnev.com/?cid=news&nid=218
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#112
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koroljow
on 12 Dec, 2011 08:12
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Jonathan, the name of the platform is given as Express 1000H in English by ISS Reshetnev (so the H does not seem to be Cyrillic for N here )
But the russian version of this same press release speaks of Экспресс-1000Н which would transliterate to Express 1000N ??!
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#113
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anik
on 12 Dec, 2011 09:01
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So does the Russian segment need any new equipment to transmit KU-band for Luch or will it go through the USOS Ku-band antenna?
We need new equipment inside and outside of Russian segment for the using of new Luch satellites and we will use ONA antenna on Zvezda module.
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#114
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input~2
on 12 Dec, 2011 09:28
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Jonathan, the name of the platform is given as Express 1000H in English by ISS Reshetnev (so the H does not seem to be Cyrillic for N here )
But the russian version of this same press release speaks of Экспресс-1000Н which would transliterate to Express 1000N ??!
To add to the topic of the name of the Amos-5 platform, here is the flyer from Reshetnev apparently setting for an "H" in English
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#115
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apace
on 12 Dec, 2011 10:21
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To add to the topic of the name of the Amos-5 platform, here is the flyer from Reshetnev apparently setting for an "H" in English
Looks like a PC flyer from the 80ties ;-) Thanx!
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#116
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Nicolas PILLET
on 12 Dec, 2011 11:49
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Jonathan, the name of the platform is given as Express 1000H in English by ISS Reshetnev (so the H does not seem to be Cyrillic for N here )
But the russian version of this same press release speaks of Экспресс-1000Н which would transliterate to Express 1000N ??!
To add to the topic of the name of the Amos-5 platform, here is the flyer from Reshetnev apparently setting for an "H" in English
There is absolutely no doubt that it is Ekspress-1000
N, since the latin letter H has no equivalent in Cyrillic alphabet.
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#117
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Salo
on 12 Dec, 2011 13:18
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#118
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input~2
on 12 Dec, 2011 14:22
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There is absolutely no doubt that it is Ekspress-1000N, since the latin letter H has no equivalent in Cyrillic alphabet.
Thanks Nicolas, but I'm not convinced.
Could our Russian colleagues step in and tell us what is the correct designation of Amos-5 platform
in English?
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#119
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input~2
on 12 Dec, 2011 14:30
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OBJECT B (37951/2011-074B), presumably the Briz-M tank, has now been catalogued in:
412.9 x 35862.8 km x 47.75°
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#120
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Nicolas PILLET
on 12 Dec, 2011 15:16
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Any idea why the fairing was rotated vertical? That's not normally done for the commercial launches.
In the press release, it is written that it was done for the charging of Luch-5A's batteries.
I don't understand the necessity of verticalising the satellite...
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#121
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anik
on 12 Dec, 2011 19:18
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Could our Russian colleagues step in and tell us what is the correct designation of Amos-5 platform in English?
Ekspress-1000H.
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#122
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Nicolas PILLET
on 12 Dec, 2011 19:25
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And do you know what the "H" stands for ?
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#123
by
baldusi
on 12 Dec, 2011 19:55
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And do you know what the "H" stands for ?
From an ISS Reshetnev PDF from 2007, they had this platforms:
Express-1000A: Loutch-5A/B
Express-1000K: Express-MD/AT2
Express-1000H: Amos-5/Telekom-3/Yamal-300K
Express-1000SH: Express-AM8/AT1
Express-2000: Express-AM5/AM6
The PDF is badly exporte, but it seemed like the K and H could put a second satellite on top. The K is the smallest one, the H is next, the SH is lengthened yet, and last the 2000 is the biggest one.
Since the export didn't put some letters, I'm assuming K can be stack upto three on a Proton-M with Briz-M or DM-03 US, the H can take two, and the SH can take a secondary >1200kg satellite, ll with the above stated Proton-M.
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#124
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input~2
on 12 Dec, 2011 20:18
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Could our Russian colleagues step in and tell us what is the correct designation of Amos-5 platform in English?
Ekspress-1000H.
Thanks Anik. This should close this debate.
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#125
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baldusi
on 12 Dec, 2011 20:27
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Could our Russian colleagues step in and tell us what is the correct designation of Amos-5 platform in English?
Ekspress-1000H.
Thanks Anik. This should close this debate.
If you download the PDF
Reshetnev Magazine Number 8 on page 8 they state their Express Platform.
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#126
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input~2
on 13 Dec, 2011 19:02
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We can expect 2 more objects to be catalogued for this Proton launch:
37952/2011-074C and 37953/2011-074D
4 objects in all: Luch-5A, Amos-5, Briz-M and Briz-M's tank
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#127
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input~2
on 13 Dec, 2011 20:29
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From to-day's latest data:
- Object A (now presumably AMOS-5) in 35689.2 x 36057.8 km x 0.12°
- Object B (now presumably Luch-5A) in 35588.1 x 35999.9 km x 4.91°
- Object C (presumably Briz-M) no data yet
- Object D (presumably Briz-M's tank) in 412.2 x 35863.6 km x 47.76°
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#128
by
input~2
on 14 Dec, 2011 16:42
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USSTRATCOM has now confirmed catalog entries for both satellites:
37950 AMOS 5 2011-074A
37951 LUCH 5A 2011-074B
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#129
by
Stan Black
on 14 Dec, 2011 17:12
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#130
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jcm
on 15 Dec, 2011 14:47
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Could our Russian colleagues step in and tell us what is the correct designation of Amos-5 platform in English?
Ekspress-1000H.
Well, three are two different questions, what does Reshetnev call it in English when they write English copy, and what is the Russian name for it.
It would not be unprecedented for the name used by the manufacturer for a satellite in English is not a direct transliteration of the name used by them in the original language.
So Andrey, you are saying that when we see "Экспресс-1000Н" in a Russian document, the "Н" is an English H and not a Cyrillic N ?. Just trying to super-clarify here! You can see why we might be confused!
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#131
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input~2
on 16 Dec, 2011 05:16
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Even Reshetnev seems to get confused:
This page has both Express-1000N and Express-1000H in two consecutive sentences!
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#132
by
anik
on 16 Dec, 2011 06:22
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So Andrey, you are saying that when we see "Экспресс-1000Н" in a Russian document, the "Н" is an English H and not a Cyrillic N?
Jonathan, I do not know exactly, but if I see Экспресс-1000SH platform in Russian, I understand that it is Ekspress-1000SH in English, so H in Russian is H in English in this case.
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#133
by
Stan Black
on 16 Dec, 2011 06:43
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#134
by
jcm
on 16 Dec, 2011 21:24
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So Andrey, you are saying that when we see "Экспресс-1000Н" in a Russian document, the "Н" is an English H and not a Cyrillic N?
Jonathan, I do not know exactly, but if I see Экспресс-1000SH platform in Russian, I understand that it is Ekspress-1000SH in English, so H in Russian is H in English in this case.
That's a fair argument - Jonathan
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#135
by
Stan Black
on 17 Dec, 2011 06:07
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#136
by
input~2
on 21 Dec, 2011 19:30
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Still no data published on 37952 / 2011-074C (Briz-M)
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#137
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Danderman
on 10 Feb, 2012 02:29
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So ... when is Luch going to provide transmission service for the ISS Russian segment?
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#138
by
anik
on 10 Feb, 2012 07:10
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So ... when is Luch going to provide transmission service for the ISS Russian segment?
Some equipment for tests was delivered by Progress M-14M. All other equipment will arrive later. Beginning of transmissions will be since 2013 likely.
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#139
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Danderman
on 21 Mar, 2012 13:27
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http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.rss.html?pid=40330Preparatory to the planned launch of more Russian Luch (Altair) communications satellites, Oleg Kononenko used the FSH3 spectrum analyzer to perform another characterization test on the Lira antenna feeder, taking parameter measurements via S-band & VHF. [The Lira system is a two-way communication system between the ISS RS and TsUP Mission Control via the Russian Luch relay satellite system (when it is complete). The RS comm subsystem can receive commands directly from RGS (Russian Ground Station) through the Regul subsystem and can receive commands from the Luch satellite through Lira or Regul. Efforts are underway to rebuild the Luch relay satellite system after many years of funds-related absence. Luch-5A was successfully launched on a Proton on 12/11/2011. Luch-5B & Luch 4 are scheduled for launch this year and 2013. This should provide the RS with 45 minutes of coverage per orbit via Lira and Regul.]Maybe someone can explain the difference between Lira and Regul. There is a description of Regul further on in the notes, but its still not clear:
In the SM, FE-4 Kononenko made preparations for tomorrow's scheduled R&R (removal & replacement) of the SA-325-I transmitter unit of the Regul-OS, gathering equipment & tools. [Located in the SM, Regul-OS is a subsystem of the RSUS Radio Control & Comm System of the RS (Russian Segment) for handling two-way voice communication, digital command/program information, and telemetry transmission via Russian RGS (Groundsites). Regul is the nominal uplink channel for all Russian commands; operating at a low data rate, it is equivalent to the US S-band system. The SA-325 block to be removed tomorrow is one of three redundant transmitters, each containing a transceiver (PPA) and Digital Processor (UtsO).]
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#140
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Nicolas PILLET
on 30 Mar, 2012 15:41
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According to NK forum, one stellar sensor on Luch-5A is dead.
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#141
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baldusi
on 30 Mar, 2012 16:31
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According to NK forum, one stellar sensor on Luch-5A is dead.
stellar sensor=Star tracker?
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#142
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Nicolas PILLET
on 30 Mar, 2012 18:27
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According to NK forum, one stellar sensor on Luch-5A is dead.
stellar sensor=Star tracker?
Yes ! Russian -> French -> English translations are sometimes hasardous...
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#143
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baldusi
on 30 Mar, 2012 18:53
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Yes ! Russian -> French -> English translations are sometimes hasardous...
Russian -> French -> English-> Spanish
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#144
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Prober
on 02 Apr, 2012 14:22
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According to NK forum, one stellar sensor on Luch-5A is dead.
Does this mean the Luch-5A can't be used?
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#145
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Nicolas PILLET
on 02 Apr, 2012 14:52
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No ! Luch-5 satellites also have sun and terrestrial sensors to find their orientation.
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#146
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eeergo
on 25 Nov, 2015 09:48
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#147
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russianhalo117
on 01 Dec, 2015 02:44
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#148
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Stan Black
on 21 Dec, 2015 16:32
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