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ISS Partners Considering Simulated Mars Mission Aboard ISS
by
mr. mark
on 03 Nov, 2011 14:36
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#1
by
Rocket Science
on 03 Nov, 2011 14:48
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I don't get the point of this...
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#2
by
mr. mark
on 03 Nov, 2011 14:58
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From a health perspective it would present many challenges. Wonder what ideas they would come up with to prevent bone loss, blurred vision? If you think about it, the mission could result in possible research, benefiting bone loss patients here on Earth.
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#3
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rdale
on 03 Nov, 2011 15:03
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I don't get the point of this...
Because we've never had someone in space long enough to go to Mars and back. So it makes sense to test that out when they are in Earth orbit and aren't in Martian orbit.
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#4
by
Rocket Science
on 03 Nov, 2011 15:10
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These are all known and obvious, we need data from deep space outside the Van Allen Belts and for long duration periods for both human, electronic and mechanical systems…
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#5
by
mr. mark
on 03 Nov, 2011 15:10
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There's also a negative potential impact as well. If things don't go well from a health perspective, it would most likely mean a delay in HSF Mars plans, possibly a shift back to a lunar base where stays would be much shorter. Technology may have to catch up to Mars based goals.
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#6
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peter-b
on 03 Nov, 2011 15:12
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They'd need to put a centrifugal section on the ISS, IMHO.
I've discussed this before.
Otherwise, this seems like a really sensible next step from the Mars500 experiment. They've done one test for psychological issues with the mission, and can now do another test to check for microgravity physiological issues as well. I wish them good luck with it.
A possible step after this would be to do the same sort of experiment on a station at EML-1, outside the van Allen belts, in order to test radiation protection technology.
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#7
by
peter-b
on 03 Nov, 2011 15:14
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Related, in case you haven't seen it yet:
Dr. Jesco von Puttkamer, Space Operations Mission Directorate, reviews 60 years of manned Mars mission analyses conducted at NASA and in Russia, starting from the historical first study, "The Mars Project," by Dr. Wernher von Braun and colleagues in 1948.
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#8
by
rdale
on 03 Nov, 2011 15:24
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These are all known and obvious
Well, many people thought they knew what was obvious about space travel in the 50's. Then they learned they didn't know and it wasn't obvious
Maybe you should call the Mars500 people and let them know it's been solved?
we need data from deep space outside the Van Allen Belts and for long duration periods for both human, electronic and mechanical systems…
I'm not sure how closely you monitor the space program, but we don't have a human presence there. Baby steps.
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#9
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Jim
on 03 Nov, 2011 15:25
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They'd need to put a centrifugal section on the ISS, IMHO. I've discussed this before.
Not viable on the ISS, too big, not enough power and disrupts the rest of the ISS.
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#10
by
mmeijeri
on 03 Nov, 2011 15:27
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Perhaps a stupid question, but would partial gravity combined with carrying large weights in your pockets help?
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#11
by
Rocket Science
on 03 Nov, 2011 15:30
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These are all known and obvious
Well, many people thought they knew what was obvious about space travel in the 50's. Then they learned they didn't know and it wasn't obvious
Maybe you should call the Mars500 people and let them know it's been solved?
we need data from deep space outside the Van Allen Belts and for long duration periods for both human, electronic and mechanical systems…
You are still “obvious” Mr. Dale…
I'm not sure how closely you monitor the space program, but we don't have a human presence there. Baby steps.
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#12
by
peter-b
on 03 Nov, 2011 15:31
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Not viable on the ISS, too big, not enough power and disrupts the rest of the ISS.
NASA's Technology Applications Assessment Team
disagree with you.
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#13
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Jim
on 03 Nov, 2011 15:35
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Not viable on the ISS, too big, not enough power and disrupts the rest of the ISS.
NASA's Technology Applications Assessment Team disagree with you.
Wrong. Nothing there disputes my claim.
That is a mechanical demonstrator and not a medical test. Also, it is still is disruptive.
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#14
by
Jim
on 03 Nov, 2011 15:39
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These are all known and obvious
Well, many people thought they knew what was obvious about space travel in the 50's. Then they learned they didn't know and it wasn't obvious
Maybe you should call the Mars500 people and let them know it's been solved?
we need data from deep space outside the Van Allen Belts and for long duration periods for both human, electronic and mechanical systems…
You are still “obvious” Mr. Dale…
I'm not sure how closely you monitor the space program, but we don't have a human presence there. Baby steps.
Yes, and the baby steps start with zero g effects in LEO and not outside the Van Allen.
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#15
by
spectre9
on 03 Nov, 2011 15:43
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We already know what zero g does to the human body.
Another study isn't needed.
Astronauts as guinea pigs rant
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#16
by
Cherokee43v6
on 03 Nov, 2011 15:55
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I don't get the point of this...
The longest any single person has lived in a microgravity environment is a little over 400 days. The empirical data set is miniscule and insufficient to extrapolate that we KNOW what will occur. Additional research in other areas relates, but honestly, we have absolutely no data past 400 days.
What actually happens? Is there a tipping point we should absolutely not go past? If so, how far or near is it? What mitigation factors are effective for that length of time? Which direction is our current, very limited dataset skewed?
We need to know this before we send someone 9 months out only to discover they won't be alive when they get home.
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#17
by
hop
on 03 Nov, 2011 16:22
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We already know what zero g does to the human body.
Knowing the effects isn't the same as understanding them. Also, the experience over ~6 months is very limited, and predates the countermeasures currently used on ISS.
There is also opportunity to simulate other aspects of the mission.
Another study isn't needed.
An unjustified assertion.
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#18
by
rdale
on 03 Nov, 2011 16:50
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You are still “obvious” Mr. Dale…
I'm sure that made sense to you, but something got lost in translation
It's not a complex process. We do NOT know everything that will happen to a human spending 500 days in space. This provides an opportunity to test that to the best of our existing abilities.
That should make sense to anyone...
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#19
by
Jason1701
on 03 Nov, 2011 17:10
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You are still “obvious” Mr. Dale…
I'm sure that made sense to you, but something got lost in translation
It's not a complex process. We do NOT know everything that will happen to a human spending 500 days in space. This provides an opportunity to test that to the best of our existing abilities.
That should make sense to anyone...
Agreed, I'm just not sure if the ISS is the best place for such a demonstration. I would favor a free-flying BA-330.
