Author Topic: Roentgen Satellite (ROSAT) - Re-entry on October 23, 2011  (Read 51021 times)

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With the media's attention on the uncontrolled re-entry of UARS, I figured it would be good time to start this thread on the expected uncontrolled re-entry of ROSAT, somewhere in november 2011.

http://www.dlr.de/dlr/en/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-10432/620_read-830/

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The time and location of re-entry cannot be predicted precisely. At present, scientists expect the X-ray satellite, which completes an Earth orbit in about 90 minutes, to re-enter in early November 2011.Currently, this date can only be calculated to within plus/minus five weeks.This time slot of uncertainty will be reduced as the date of re-entry approaches. However, even one day before re-entry, the estimate will only be accurate to within plus/minus five hours .All areas under the orbit of ROSAT, which extends to 53 degrees northern and southern latitude could well be affected by its re-entry. The bulk of the debris will impact near the ground track of the satellite. However, isolated fragments could fall to Earth in a 80 kilometre wide path along the track.

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The latest studies reveal that it is possible that up to 30 individual pieces weighing a total of 1.6 tons may reach the surface of the Earth. The largest single fragment will probably be the telescope's mirror, which is very heat resistant.
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Re: Roentgen Satellite (ROSAT) - Re-entry in november 2011
« Reply #1 on: 09/23/2011 12:07 pm »
Interesting, thanks for bringing this to attention.

How big exactly is the biggest piece? I assume they mean the mirror here; from wikipedia I read the largets piece might be as heavy as 400 kg; is this the mirror?

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Interesting, thanks for bringing this to attention.

How big exactly is the biggest piece? I assume they mean the mirror here; from wikipedia I read the largets piece might be as heavy as 400 kg; is this the mirror?
Yes, the primary mirror. It consist of several barrel shaped mirrors assembled in to one barrel-like construction. Weighs roughly 400 kg, is made of high-temperature resistant materials (glass ceramics). Could possibly survive re-entry nearly intact.
« Last Edit: 10/13/2011 05:22 pm by woods170 »

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Re: Roentgen Satellite (ROSAT) - Re-entry in november 2011
« Reply #3 on: 09/23/2011 05:23 pm »
What delta-v is needed to bring satellites down 2 or 3 orbits early?
So we can ensure that they land in the sea.
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Re: Roentgen Satellite (ROSAT) - Re-entry in november 2011
« Reply #4 on: 10/05/2011 01:51 pm »
Currently the ESA http://twitter.com/#!/ROSAT_Reentry is predicting reentry around Oct 23, while Space-Track has Oct 11. I'm guessing the ESA value is better.
 
Here at SAO we built ROSAT's HRI imager and developed the US component of the data analysis software (I well remember all the meetings with GSFC colleagues deciding on file formats and header keywords..). I tentatively plan to have a wake (party) for the satellite on reentry day if I'm in town....  nsflt'ers in Boston welcome to join us.
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What delta-v is needed to bring satellites down 2 or 3 orbits early?
So we can ensure that they land in the sea.

Not applicable here. ROSAT will re-enter uncontrolled. There is no active attitude control, nor any contact with the satellite. Those systems shut-down long ago.
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Currently the ESA http://twitter.com/#!/ROSAT_Reentry is predicting reentry around Oct 23, while Space-Track has Oct 11. I'm guessing the ESA value is better.

The DLR site now also shows an updated re-entry date of late october 2011.
« Last Edit: 10/13/2011 05:22 pm by woods170 »

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Re: Roentgen Satellite (ROSAT) - Re-entry in november 2011
« Reply #7 on: 10/05/2011 03:58 pm »
Interesting, thanks for bringing this to attention.

How big exactly is the biggest piece? I assume they mean the mirror here; from wikipedia I read the largets piece might be as heavy as 400 kg; is this the mirror?
Yes, the primary mirror. It consist of several barrel shaped mirrors assembled in to one barrel-like construction. Weighs roughly 400 kg, is made of high-temperature resistant materials (glass ceramics). Could possibly survive re-entry nearly intact.

To be specific, the primary mirror assembly is a pair of four nested cylindrical mirrors.  Similar systems have been made from Schott Zerodur, a glass and ceramic matrix with nearly zero coefficient of thermal expansion, which is moderately dense (2.53 g/cm^3) . 

It would seem probable that the 400 kg assembly would come apart into eight roughly equal mass parts.  Whether this increases or decreases the small probablility of doing harm is beyond my ability to guess.
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Re: Roentgen Satellite (ROSAT) - Re-entry in november 2011
« Reply #8 on: 10/05/2011 11:04 pm »
What delta-v is needed to bring satellites down 2 or 3 orbits early?
So we can ensure that they land in the sea.

Not applicable here. ROSAT will re-enter uncontrolled. There is no active attitude control, nor any contact with the satellite. Those systems shut-down long ago.

An uncontrolled re-entry is part of the problem.

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Re: Roentgen Satellite (ROSAT) - Re-entry in november 2011
« Reply #9 on: 10/07/2011 06:02 am »
Interesting, thanks for bringing this to attention.

How big exactly is the biggest piece? I assume they mean the mirror here; from wikipedia I read the largets piece might be as heavy as 400 kg; is this the mirror?
Yes, the primary mirror. It consist of several barrel shaped mirrors assembled in to one barrel-like construction. Weighs roughly 400 kg, is made of high-temperature resistant materials (glass ceramics). Could possibly survive re-entry nearly intact.

To be specific, the primary mirror assembly is a pair of four nested cylindrical mirrors.  Similar systems have been made from Schott Zerodur, a glass and ceramic matrix with nearly zero coefficient of thermal expansion, which is moderately dense (2.53 g/cm^3) . 

It would seem probable that the 400 kg assembly would come apart into eight roughly equal mass parts.  Whether this increases or decreases the small probablility of doing harm is beyond my ability to guess.

Indeed, from my trusty ROSAT observer's handbook (ROSAT MISSION DESCRIPTION, NRA 89-OSSA-2 APPENDIX F) - 4 nested shells of gold-coated Zerodur  with aperture diameter 84 cm.
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Re: Roentgen Satellite (ROSAT) - Re-entry in late october 2011
« Reply #10 on: 10/13/2011 12:53 pm »
According to DLR:

Re-entry now estimated to happen between October 20 and October 25, plus-or-minus three days.

Edit: changed title from november to late october
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Re: Roentgen Satellite (ROSAT) - Re-entry in november 2011
« Reply #11 on: 10/13/2011 04:18 pm »
According to DLR:

Re-entry now estimated to happen between October 20 and October 25, plus-or-minus three days.

See
http://www.satobs.org/seesat/Oct-2011/0087.html
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http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/ROSAT_decay_predictions_v1.pdf
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Re: Roentgen Satellite (ROSAT) - Re-entry in late october 2011
« Reply #12 on: 10/14/2011 03:31 pm »
According to DLR:

Re-entry now estimated to happen between October 20 and October 25, plus-or-minus three days.


Wouldn't your statement mean: between October 17th and October 28th (Earliest date minus three days, latest day plus three days)?

I have a different understanding of DLR's statement, which clearly says "between 20 and 25 October 2011". This time span of five days is what they mean with "the re-entry date can only be calculated to within plus/minus three days", isn't it?

I read DLR's statement that they predicted evening of 22nd or morning of 23rd as the reentry date, but they have a potential error of plus/minus three days (maybe only 2.5), so they indicate "between 20 and 25 October 2011", to which you shouldn't add the prediction error again.

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Re: Roentgen Satellite (ROSAT) - Re-entry in late october 2011
« Reply #13 on: 10/14/2011 04:22 pm »
To add something about re-entry predictions:

NASA simulated the re-entry of UARS with the software ORSAT (Object Reentry Survival Analysis Tool) .
DLR simulated the re-entry of ROSAT with SCARAB (Space Craft Atmospheric Re-entry and Aero-thermal Break up).

Both software tools have the same purpose: they calculate how the satellite breaks into pieces in the upper atmosphere and how many of them survive re-entry and impact on the ground.

Last year, there has been a study comparing these two programs:
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20100005304_2010005244.pdf

Conclusion:
"It is not possible to deem either method as “correct” or better – Either scenario is equally plausable"

It wasn't possible to validate the simulations with real-life data from UARS's re-entry, because it fell into the sea. Impossible to tell how much of it impacted.

Anyway, simulations use a simplified world. And life is complex.


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Re: Roentgen Satellite (ROSAT) - Re-entry in late october 2011
« Reply #14 on: 10/14/2011 07:39 pm »
ROSAT to crash into earth at the end of October?!?! maybe this link will help us see the bright side of this incident! German satellite, 20 years old, where will it land? Nobody know!!!


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ROSAT to crash into earth at the end of October?!?! maybe this link will help us see the bright side of this incident! German satellite, 20 years old, where will it land? Nobody know!!!



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Re: Roentgen Satellite (ROSAT) - Re-entry in late october 2011
« Reply #16 on: 10/14/2011 11:02 pm »
Current ROSAT orbit from Heavens Above

234 x 237 km, 53.0°  Oct 14

It took UARS about seven days to reenter from a similar altitude. (No data on the comparative ballistic coefficients but probably not too different.)
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=26719.msg810979#msg810979
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Re: Roentgen Satellite (ROSAT) - Re-entry in late october 2011
« Reply #17 on: 10/15/2011 08:42 am »
DLR has updated the re-entry timeframe again:

Re-entry expected between 21 and 25 October.
And that fit's nicely with the prediction made by Comga

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Re: Roentgen Satellite (ROSAT) - Re-entry in late october 2011
« Reply #18 on: 10/17/2011 01:51 pm »
DLR has updated the re-entry timeframe again:

Re-entry expected between 21 and 25 October.
And that fit's nicely with the prediction made by Comga



That seems to be tightening up to sometime on the 23rd, give or take a half a day:

http://www.satobs.org/seesat/Oct-2011/0134.html
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Re: Roentgen Satellite (ROSAT) - Re-entry in late october 2011
« Reply #19 on: 10/17/2011 06:24 pm »
DLR has updated its web page, now indicating "around between 21 and 24 October 2011".

http://www.dlr.de/dlr/en/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-10432/620_read-830/

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