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Re: SpaceX COTS Demo 2/3 Updates (THREAD 2)
« Reply #380 on: 10/28/2011 04:26 pm »
Assuming that this does go ahead as a delivery mission, does anyone know how they are planning on integrating the payload? Are they going to build a clean room in the launch pad hanger and do it there or are they going to check out the vehicle now, move it somewhere else to install the payload and then return it to the pad to integrate it with the Falcon 9?

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« Reply #381 on: 10/28/2011 04:41 pm »
Assuming that this does go ahead as a delivery mission, does anyone know how they are planning on integrating the payload? Are they going to build a clean room in the launch pad hanger and do it there or are they going to check out the vehicle now, move it somewhere else to install the payload and then return it to the pad to integrate it with the Falcon 9?
They may have already integrated it. Tang, t-shirts, and toilet paper, right? Either way, they plan on getting the capsule back, so even if they don't dock with the station, they won't lose what little value of payload it has already.
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Re: SpaceX COTS Demo 2/3 Updates (THREAD 2)
« Reply #382 on: 10/28/2011 04:46 pm »
7:15, "anyone got a pry bar?".  Not exactly what you want to hear during an offload of a delicate object, but you've got to get the job done!  (They're probably not touching the vehicle itself).

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« Reply #383 on: 10/28/2011 04:56 pm »
They may have already integrated it. Tang, t-shirts, and toilet paper, right?

You know, I'm just waiting until someone at Coke has the bright idea to mount one of these in a commercial resupply vehicle...

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« Reply #384 on: 10/28/2011 05:07 pm »
The video shows the side of the truck "Protech Express Towing", so that answers whether SpaceX owns or leases their transport.

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Re: SpaceX COTS Demo 2/3 Updates (THREAD 2)
« Reply #385 on: 10/28/2011 05:43 pm »
Assuming that this does go ahead as a delivery mission, does anyone know how they are planning on integrating the payload? Are they going to build a clean room in the launch pad hanger and do it there or are they going to check out the vehicle now, move it somewhere else to install the payload and then return it to the pad to integrate it with the Falcon 9?

That area of the hangar is the clean room.  They just have to put up more curtains.    It is also the prop loading area.  You can see the fueling pad, it is the area in the square.

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« Reply #386 on: 10/28/2011 06:07 pm »
The video shows the side of the truck "Protech Express Towing", so that answers whether SpaceX owns or leases their transport.

Imagine what the Bill of Lading reads as they pass through a weight station or an inspection?

Qty. 1           
Description - Spaceship/White/Unmanned
Weight - 12000

Wonder who signs for this thing on delivery?  ;D

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Re: SpaceX COTS Demo 2/3 Updates (THREAD 2)
« Reply #387 on: 10/28/2011 09:33 pm »
Are they going to build a clean room in the launch pad hanger and do it there or are they going to check out the vehicle now, move it somewhere else to install the payload and then return it to the pad to integrate it with the Falcon 9?

That area of the hangar is the clean room.  They just have to put up more curtains.    It is also the prop loading area.  You can see the fueling pad, it is the area in the square.

It seemed odd that they started removing the black "shrink-wrap" before the pod bay doors were closed.  Indeed, the truck that had just rolled off the highway was still inside the "clean room" at that point!
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Re: SpaceX COTS Demo 2/3 Updates (THREAD 2)
« Reply #388 on: 10/28/2011 10:13 pm »
Are they going to build a clean room in the launch pad hanger and do it there or are they going to check out the vehicle now, move it somewhere else to install the payload and then return it to the pad to integrate it with the Falcon 9?

That area of the hangar is the clean room.  They just have to put up more curtains.    It is also the prop loading area.  You can see the fueling pad, it is the area in the square.

It seemed odd that they started removing the black "shrink-wrap" before the pod bay doors were closed.  Indeed, the truck that had just rolled off the highway was still inside the "clean room" at that point!

they didn't get the memo?
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« Reply #389 on: 10/28/2011 10:38 pm »
Are they going to build a clean room in the launch pad hanger and do it there or are they going to check out the vehicle now, move it somewhere else to install the payload and then return it to the pad to integrate it with the Falcon 9?

That area of the hangar is the clean room.  They just have to put up more curtains.    It is also the prop loading area.  You can see the fueling pad, it is the area in the square.

It seemed odd that they started removing the black "shrink-wrap" before the pod bay doors were closed.  Indeed, the truck that had just rolled off the highway was still inside the "clean room" at that point!

Yes, but note that when they actually started working on the Dragon later, they had switched from the truck & t-shirt environment to more "clean room"-ish garb - see 1st pic here: http://www.universetoday.com/90184/here-there-be-dragons-spacexs-spacecraft-arrives-at-launch-complex-40/
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Re: SpaceX COTS Demo 2/3 Updates (THREAD 2)
« Reply #390 on: 10/29/2011 02:24 am »
So they're still saying it will launch this year lol

The date keeps changing so much I have no idea.  :o

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« Reply #391 on: 10/29/2011 06:12 am »
So they're still saying it will launch this year lol

The date keeps changing so much I have no idea.  :o

Well, we all know that things got pushed back due to the Soyuz problems. So I'm just wondering, if it wasn't for Soyuz, at what point would they have been able to launch? Have they perhaps slowed the pace a little since they know they won't be able to go so soon? Just curious. All this will be water under the bridge once the rocket is on its way up.

Where's the trunk? Was it on that truck?
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« Reply #392 on: 10/29/2011 07:10 am »
No, the trunk was not on that truck. It is just as large of an object as the capsule, so it would have been visible if it was.

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« Reply #393 on: 10/29/2011 07:57 pm »
Are they going to build a clean room in the launch pad hanger and do it there or are they going to check out the vehicle now, move it somewhere else to install the payload and then return it to the pad to integrate it with the Falcon 9?

That area of the hangar is the clean room.  They just have to put up more curtains.    It is also the prop loading area.  You can see the fueling pad, it is the area in the square.

It seemed odd that they started removing the black "shrink-wrap" before the pod bay doors were closed.  Indeed, the truck that had just rolled off the highway was still inside the "clean room" at that point!

they didn't get the memo?

To be frank, I have no idea why an assembled (with all ports covered) Dragon
would need a clean room environment. I there might be a need when doing work on electronic, inside the capsule, motors etc
But considering what it's gonna go through on it's way up and back and still stay operational, it's hard to fathom that it can be delicate.

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Re: SpaceX COTS Demo 2/3 Updates (THREAD 2)
« Reply #394 on: 10/29/2011 09:36 pm »
Are they going to build a clean room in the launch pad hanger and do it there or are they going to check out the vehicle now, move it somewhere else to install the payload and then return it to the pad to integrate it with the Falcon 9?

That area of the hangar is the clean room.  They just have to put up more curtains.    It is also the prop loading area.  You can see the fueling pad, it is the area in the square.

It seemed odd that they started removing the black "shrink-wrap" before the pod bay doors were closed.  Indeed, the truck that had just rolled off the highway was still inside the "clean room" at that point!

they didn't get the memo?

To be frank, I have no idea why an assembled (with all ports covered) Dragon
would need a clean room environment. I there might be a need when doing work on electronic, inside the capsule, motors etc
But considering what it's gonna go through on it's way up and back and still stay operational, it's hard to fathom that it can be delicate.

btw: the memo thing was a joke...
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Re: SpaceX COTS Demo 2/3 Updates (THREAD 2)
« Reply #395 on: 10/30/2011 05:08 pm »
12 minutes of NASA footage of Dragon's arrival. This looks like it was ripped off NASA's UStream channel, don't know if there's a better quality available:



cool, thanks for the posting

I have to wonder: where are the hardhats? And I don't think I saw everyone wearing safety boots.  **sighs**

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« Reply #396 on: 10/30/2011 05:46 pm »
I have to wonder: where are the hardhats? And I don't think I saw everyone wearing safety boots.  **sighs**

This seems to be a space-industry thing.  You've got guys standing under the load, not wearing hard hats, and not wearing fall protection.  If I did that at work, my safety officer would probably beat me to death.  I don't know how these guys get away with it, and with pictures on the web no less!

http://mediaarchive.ksc.nasa.gov/imageviewer.cfm?mediaid=39901&mr=l&w=0&h=0&fn=2009-1820&sn=KSC-2009-1820

http://mediaarchive.ksc.nasa.gov/imageviewer.cfm?mediaid=52977&mr=l&w=0&h=0&fn=2011-3805&sn=KSC-2011-3805
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Re: SpaceX COTS Demo 2/3 Updates (THREAD 2)
« Reply #397 on: 10/30/2011 06:11 pm »
I have to wonder: where are the hardhats? And I don't think I saw everyone wearing safety boots.  **sighs**

This seems to be a space-industry thing.  You've got guys standing under the load, not wearing hard hats, and not wearing fall protection.  If I did that at work, my safety officer would probably beat me to death.  I don't know how these guys get away with it, and with pictures on the web no less!

http://mediaarchive.ksc.nasa.gov/imageviewer.cfm?mediaid=39901&mr=l&w=0&h=0&fn=2009-1820&sn=KSC-2009-1820

http://mediaarchive.ksc.nasa.gov/imageviewer.cfm?mediaid=52977&mr=l&w=0&h=0&fn=2011-3805&sn=KSC-2011-3805

Maybe they figure if somebody drops something that would hurt someone, it would also do about a billion dollars worth of damage to the shuttle.  So don't drop anything!  As for fall protection, when you see pictures of people in launch towers, I think they are always harnessed.  But the people standing under the shuttle and ET in your pictures are on the ground.  There's no place to fall.


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Re: SpaceX COTS Demo 2/3 Updates (THREAD 2)
« Reply #398 on: 10/30/2011 06:16 pm »
I have to wonder: where are the hardhats? And I don't think I saw everyone wearing safety boots.  **sighs**

This seems to be a space-industry thing.  You've got guys standing under the load, not wearing hard hats, and not wearing fall protection.  If I did that at work, my safety officer would probably beat me to death.  I don't know how these guys get away with it, and with pictures on the web no less!

http://mediaarchive.ksc.nasa.gov/imageviewer.cfm?mediaid=39901&mr=l&w=0&h=0&fn=2009-1820&sn=KSC-2009-1820

http://mediaarchive.ksc.nasa.gov/imageviewer.cfm?mediaid=52977&mr=l&w=0&h=0&fn=2011-3805&sn=KSC-2011-3805

Maybe they figure if somebody drops something that would hurt someone, it would also do about a billion dollars worth of damage to the shuttle.  So don't drop anything!
That's no excuse. Stuff can fall, plain and simple.

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« Reply #399 on: 10/30/2011 06:22 pm »
That is the reason for no hard helmets. 

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