SpaceX COTS Demo 2/3 Updates (THREAD 2)

[Space Pete]

Well, looks like COTS treads on the banana skin once again.

It's good that SpaceX are taking the time they need on this - but bad that ISS is being placed at risk by these slips (but that has more to do with retiring Shuttle than SpaceX's delays).

[Robotbeat]

By the way, well done to SpaceX for turning it around they were slipping with a good amount of speed!

I'm not entirely sure what this sentence means. Can you help me out, here?

[ChefPat]

Update on Next SpaceX Launch

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[Chris Bergin]

By the way, well done to SpaceX for turning it around they were slipping with a good amount of speed!

I'm not entirely sure what this sentence means. Can you help me out, here?

There were rumors of a slip, on here, and then also on L2 from NASA. They've not sat back on confirming the slip. That's good, and they also used the "we will launch when the vehicle is ready" - which is very Shuttle FRR style, and should earn them a lot of respect.

Update on Next SpaceX Launch

Where is this coming from? I can find nothing.

SpaceX PAO Kirstin Brost Grantham

[robertross]

Well, looks like COTS treads on the banana skin once again.

It's good that SpaceX are taking the time they need on this - but bad that ISS is being placed at risk by these slips (but that has more to do with retiring Shuttle than SpaceX's delays).

Agreed on all counts there. They need to ensure they are as prepared as they need to be. A slip is always better than a failure or fault.

[Space Pete]

They also used the "we will launch when the vehicle is ready" - which is very Shuttle FRR style, and should earn them a lot of respect.

Agreed 100%. While some will use slips as ammo to attack SpaceX, for me, it gives me more confidence that they know what they're doing and will succeed.

[majormajor42]

Oh well, I was kinda looking forward to our own little newspace enthusiasts' Super Bowl in that same week. My wife won't be pleased if it ends up being the 14th and my focus is elsewhere.

[ugordan]

if it ends up being the 14th

I have a feeling this will be way more than a week.

[Jim]

They also used the "we will launch when the vehicle is ready" - which is very Shuttle FRR style, and should earn them a lot of respect.

Agreed 100%. While some will use slips as ammo to attack SpaceX, for me, it gives me more confidence that they know what they're doing and will succeed.

How is that different than any other vehicle?

[Chris Bergin]

They also used the "we will launch when the vehicle is ready" - which is very Shuttle FRR style, and should earn them a lot of respect.

Agreed 100%. While some will use slips as ammo to attack SpaceX, for me, it gives me more confidence that they know what they're doing and will succeed.

How is that different than any other vehicle?

I think you're misunderstanding us both Jim. It's the fact they used that line. Some might not agree, but it stood out for me, as it reminded me of something Wayne Hale or Mike Moses would say.

No one's suggesting they - or anyone else - didn't use such a practise beforehand.

[ugordan]

How is that different than any other vehicle?

Other than Fobos-Grunt?

[Antares]

How is that different than any other vehicle?

It's not uncommon for someone in the launch business to put the delay off on another one of the players not being ready.  SpaceX didn't point at NASA or FAA licensure or something.

[Jim]

They also used the "we will launch when the vehicle is ready" - which is very Shuttle FRR style, and should earn them a lot of respect.

Agreed 100%. While some will use slips as ammo to attack SpaceX, for me, it gives me more confidence that they know what they're doing and will succeed.

How is that different than any other vehicle?

I think you're misunderstanding us both Jim. It's the fact they used that line. Some might not agree, but it stood out for me, as it reminded me of something Wayne Hale or Mike Moses would say.

No one's suggesting they - or anyone else - didn't use such a practise beforehand.

And that line has been said many times before by others too.

[Chris Bergin]

They also used the "we will launch when the vehicle is ready" - which is very Shuttle FRR style, and should earn them a lot of respect.

Agreed 100%. While some will use slips as ammo to attack SpaceX, for me, it gives me more confidence that they know what they're doing and will succeed.

How is that different than any other vehicle?

I think you're misunderstanding us both Jim. It's the fact they used that line. Some might not agree, but it stood out for me, as it reminded me of something Wayne Hale or Mike Moses would say.

No one's suggesting they - or anyone else - didn't use such a practise beforehand.

And that line has been said many times before by others too.

Only ever seen it previously with Shuttle and will be using one from LeRoy Cain. Feel free to link me up to "the many times before from others".

[Chris Bergin]

Right then, I know some people will think this goes off on a tangent, but - as noted - I honestly think the line in the presser stood out and I've used that, along with a quote we gained from SpaceX recently, to align.

Bottom line is it makes the article more interesting than just the slip angle.

Dragon ISS flight slips – SpaceX determined to return US crewed access to LEO
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2012/01/dragon-slips-spacex-determined-return-us-crewed-access-leo/

Don't shout at me if you don't like it

[Lee Jay]

Don't shout at me if you don't like it

But I do.

Good article, Chris.

[Peter NASA]

I thought that was excellent. Probably worth a thread of its own.

[SpacexULA]

Right then, I know some people will think this goes off on a tangent, but - as noted - I honestly think the line in the presser stood out and I've used that, along with a quote we gained from SpaceX recently, to align.

Bottom line is it makes the article more interesting than just the slip angle.

Dragon ISS flight slips – SpaceX determined to return US crewed access to LEO
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2012/01/dragon-slips-spacex-determined-return-us-crewed-access-leo/

Don't shout at me if you don't like it

The longer SpaceX is in operation the more it sounds like Gwen Shotwell / Ken Bowersox and the less it sounds like Elon Musk... and I like it.

[Chris Bergin]

Cool, thanks chaps.

[Jim]

Only ever seen it previously with Shuttle and will be using one from LeRoy Cain. Feel free to link me up to "the many times before from others".

Every launch campaign that there is, especially ones with problems.  Juno, MSL, MER, SIRTF, GRAIL, etc