Russia to Develop Rocket for New-Generation Manned Spacecraft

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March 2010 is a milestone for manned spacecraft preliminary design delivery (Energia)
August 2010 is a milestone for Launch Vehicle preliminary design delivery (Progress + Energia + Makeev).
Let's wait.
You might be right - RKA even could decide to revive Kliper in case if Space Dev Dream Chaser would became a reality.
IMHO - Russia is unpredictable country, therefore ANYTHING possible.   

[Danderman]

March 2010 is a milestone for manned spacecraft preliminary design delivery (Energia)
August 2010 is a milestone for Launch Vehicle preliminary design delivery (Progress + Energia + Makeev).
Let's wait.
You might be right - RKA even could decide to revive Kliper in case if Space Dev Dream Chaser would became a reality.
IMHO - Russia is unpredictable country, therefore ANYTHING possible.   

Russia may be unpredictable, but your post indicates that Roskosmos is predictable, in that whatever NASA wants to have built, Russia must have an analog. Obama is going to make their heads explode over the next few years, as NASA will "let a thousand flowers bloom".

[Eraser]

Russia may be unpredictable, but your post indicates that Roskosmos is predictable, in that whatever NASA wants to have built, Russia must have an analog. Obama is going to make their heads explode over the next few years, as NASA will "let a thousand flowers bloom".

Nobody's head will not explode, on the contrary - the life of the Roskosmos officials now simple and easy. Once the U.S. abolished the lunar program, they will remove the possibility of lunar missions in the requirements for Russia's new manned spacecraft.

[Patchouli]

March 2010 is a milestone for manned spacecraft preliminary design delivery (Energia)
August 2010 is a milestone for Launch Vehicle preliminary design delivery (Progress + Energia + Makeev).
Let's wait.
You might be right - RKA even could decide to revive Kliper in case if Space Dev Dream Chaser would became a reality.
IMHO - Russia is unpredictable country, therefore ANYTHING possible.   

Russia may be unpredictable, but your post indicates that Roskosmos is predictable, in that whatever NASA wants to have built, Russia must have an analog. Obama is going to make their heads explode over the next few years, as NASA will "let a thousand flowers bloom".

They may very well go back to Kliper and Soyuz 3 since the time constraint on the Moon appears to be removed.
Remember it was not that long ago around 2007 when Kliper or  TKS 2 seemed like a sure thing.
Or they simply could upgrade and enlarge the Soyuz design.
Just enlarging the DM to four seats might be all they'll need.
I found it odd they were going to abandon the Soyuz design for an Apollo like design.

More far out they could resurrect MAKS.
http://www.buran.ru/htm/molniya6.htm

Russia seems more interested in Mars then the Moon and for that they'd rather get their advanced propulsion worked out.

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On 10th of Feb 2010 Head of Russian Space Agency A.Perminov in his interview to the radio station "Voice of Russia" confirmed agency commitments to continue programs on new generation manned transportation vehicle PTK NP, launch vehicle Rus'-M and spaceport Vostochniy. 
Seems to be "Business as usual" for RSA.

[Danderman]

On 10th of Feb 2010 Head of Russian Space Agency A.Perminov in his interview to the radio station "Voice of Russia" confirmed agency commitments to continue programs on new generation manned transportation vehicle PTK NP, launch vehicle Rus'-M and spaceport Vostochniy. 
Seems to be "Business as usual" for RSA.

After NASA changes direction, it usually takes Roskosmos at least a year to change their direction.

[johnxx9]

After NASA changes direction, it usually takes Roskosmos at least a year to change their direction.

There is no commercial space industry in Russia on which RSA can depend on like NASA has done. 

[Serafeim]

the new russian capsule maybe will the first competitor of Dragon.
my guess is that they will build a zenit(13t) launched 6 man leo capsule .but with a land capability...

the russian prices will compete the spacex prices..

[ChrisSpaceCH]

On 10th of Feb 2010 Head of Russian Space Agency A.Perminov in his interview to the radio station "Voice of Russia" confirmed agency commitments to continue programs on new generation manned transportation vehicle PTK NP, launch vehicle Rus'-M and spaceport Vostochniy. 
Seems to be "Business as usual" for RSA.

From what I hear, Vostochny is going to suffer serious construction delays... Anyone else hear that?

[Serafeim]

In russianspaceweb http://www.russianspaceweb.com/ptk_np.html
site says the same.the new spaceport its much more hard to build than they thought

[marcus79]

On 10th of Feb 2010 Head of Russian Space Agency A.Perminov in his interview to the radio station "Voice of Russia" confirmed agency commitments to continue programs on new generation manned transportation vehicle PTK NP, launch vehicle Rus'-M and spaceport Vostochniy. 
Seems to be "Business as usual" for RSA.

After NASA changes direction, it usually takes Roskosmos at least a year to change their direction.

What is your basis for making such a quasi-exact statement? Maybe it takes that long to come up with the new powerpoint presentations?

[Danderman]

On 10th of Feb 2010 Head of Russian Space Agency A.Perminov in his interview to the radio station "Voice of Russia" confirmed agency commitments to continue programs on new generation manned transportation vehicle PTK NP, launch vehicle Rus'-M and spaceport Vostochniy. 
Seems to be "Business as usual" for RSA.

After NASA changes direction, it usually takes Roskosmos at least a year to change their direction.

What is your basis for making such a quasi-exact statement? Maybe it takes that long to come up with the new powerpoint presentations?

That was the time period between the death of CEV and the subsequent death of Klipr.

[zaitcev]

Meanwhile, the page of Rus-M went up at Progress' website:
 http://www.samspace.ru/CSDB_Progress/VOSTOCH.htm
(hat tip: Dmitry_V)
The planned launch table does not appear to allow for a 5-block version.
-- Pete

[Serafeim]

Look!



Its a Falcon 9?No
Its a Zenit! (probably a 2 stage)

they look very similar eh?

and zenit has 13 t payload.Thats a reason from what I see on some sites that maybe finally the new russian vehicle ppts will be onboard this  rocket and only for leo ,.

Ucraine its turning to the russians this time I think ,so maybe its not so bad to use this rocket for the manned vehicle.in the begining in 2007-08 there were plans for this.the engines are russian ..
I dont believe that finally russia will have the money to build the new cosmodrome(Vostochy),the new rocket(Rus-M) and the new vehicle(ppts)together..

My guess is that they will follow the nasa way of cutting some things from their program..

[zaitcev]

Its a Zenit! (probably a 2 stage)

Actually, both of the pictured rockets use 3rd stages. The left one uses Blok-3DMSL and the right one uses Fregat.

and zenit has 13 t payload.Thats a reason from what I see on some sites that maybe finally the new russian vehicle ppts will be onboard this  rocket and only for leo ,.

PPTK NP on Zenit will not happen.

Ucraine its turning to the russians this time I think ,so maybe its not so bad to use this rocket for the manned vehicle.

They turn every 2 years or so. Russians will not deal with a partner so fickle. Also, the future of Zenit itself is far from assured. There are persistent rumors of alloys used for the milled waffle structures not available anymore, for example.

-- Pete

[InvalidAttitude]

I think they rather choose the Angara than a foreign rocket, or most probably they delay the PPTS until the RUS-M will be ready (realisticly well into the 2020's) until than they have to use the good old Soyuz spacecraft and LV. 

I see only one oppurtunity for the Zenit with PPTS: if the Ukraine gov. financialy get in the Russian space programme, which is currently totally impossible...

[Serafeim]

in russianspaceweb there are information about zenit ppts plans because Vostochy is hard to build.If Russia is in a rush to catch up with the Dragon  maybe she can use the Zenit.

Also Zenit is a ready proven rocket,while russia has not even the money to build the Angara seriesAnd they dont want to put all eggs in one basket with Angara .
 The need for the 23 tRus -m is because of the 16t moon version of ppts.If they scrap these plans maybe they will end with Zenit..

With the current plan Russia must build 3 things from scratch.Spaceport,vehicle,launcher.While with the Zenit choice (there were plans for this prior to sovietic collapse)they have only the vehicle..


But I am not just imagine all these,I saw the article on the site (I put the article in a post in this topic with picture earlier)..So there are probable plans..

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Thanks to user BOL"SHOY from Russian NK Magazine forum:
Rus'-M URM First Stage Booster 

Rus'-M Cryogenic Upper Stage

Please note that for unmanned missions propellant weight in Cryogenic Upper Stage is 50 metric tonnes
(46,500 kg for manned mission - slightly underfuelled)

[Serafeim]

how much payload to Leo?I think thats the small rus-m not the manned 23 t..

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