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#60
by
Comga
on 09 Jun, 2015 22:42
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#61
by
bad_astra
on 11 Jun, 2015 14:19
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The google DOC is from the MFMP experimenters. That's the raw data. Go with that.
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#62
by
bad_astra
on 25 Aug, 2015 17:05
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#63
by
Elmar Moelzer
on 30 Aug, 2015 22:37
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#64
by
bad_astra
on 05 Oct, 2015 18:59
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If you google NSWCDD-PN-15-00408 you can find the NAVSEA presentation presented at an IEEE meeting by Dr. Louis DeChiaro.
The presentation seems fairly up to date. The images of some sort of LENR powered shuttle on slide 21 is new to me, though.
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#65
by
tchernik
on 05 Oct, 2015 20:45
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If you google NSWCDD-PN-15-00408 you can find the NAVSEA presentation presented at an IEEE meeting by Dr. Louis DeChiaro.
The presentation seems fairly up to date. The images of some sort of LENR powered shuttle on slide 21 is new to me, though.
Very nice document.
It very much looks like this is for real.
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#66
by
Robotbeat
on 06 Oct, 2015 00:06
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If you google NSWCDD-PN-15-00408 you can find the NAVSEA presentation presented at an IEEE meeting by Dr. Louis DeChiaro.
The presentation seems fairly up to date. The images of some sort of LENR powered shuttle on slide 21 is new to me, though.
Very nice document.
It very much looks like this is for real.
If it were for real, they'd have no problem producing electricity. Have a box that produces tens of kilowatts of electricity, hooked up to an electrical meter, and making money.
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#67
by
birchoff
on 06 Oct, 2015 02:01
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If you google NSWCDD-PN-15-00408 you can find the NAVSEA presentation presented at an IEEE meeting by Dr. Louis DeChiaro.
The presentation seems fairly up to date. The images of some sort of LENR powered shuttle on slide 21 is new to me, though.
Very nice document.
It very much looks like this is for real.
If it were for real, they'd have no problem producing electricity. Have a box that produces tens of kilowatts of electricity, hooked up to an electrical meter, and making money.
guess I would love to understand your definition of "real". Because my definition of real doesnt mean it has to be immediately useful. By your definition nuclear fission shouldn't exist since there was a period of time that it wasnt doing anything useful, much less generating electricity.
LENR/Cold Fusion's problem has always been every academic investigator treating it like a gold mine. In a way it would have been better if it wasnt so easy to forsee a commercial use case for it. Because then it could actually get the proper research treatment, with methods publicly released and a focus more on sharing knowledge and less on making a quick buck.
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#68
by
MP99
on 06 Oct, 2015 08:11
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If you google NSWCDD-PN-15-00408 you can find the NAVSEA presentation presented at an IEEE meeting by Dr. Louis DeChiaro.
The presentation seems fairly up to date. The images of some sort of LENR powered shuttle on slide 21 is new to me, though.
Very nice document.
It very much looks like this is for real.
If it were for real, they'd have no problem producing electricity. Have a box that produces tens of kilowatts of electricity, hooked up to an electrical meter, and making money.
They claim to have a customer using the heat in a commercial process.
Cheers, Martin
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#69
by
bad_astra
on 06 Oct, 2015 16:14
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If you google NSWCDD-PN-15-00408 you can find the NAVSEA presentation presented at an IEEE meeting by Dr. Louis DeChiaro.
The presentation seems fairly up to date. The images of some sort of LENR powered shuttle on slide 21 is new to me, though.
Very nice document.
It very much looks like this is for real.
If it were for real, they'd have no problem producing electricity. Have a box that produces tens of kilowatts of electricity, hooked up to an electrical meter, and making money.
"They" have over fifty million dollars in combined funding from Woodford Equity and Cherokee Investment Funds after two years of dilligence. "They" are not really trying to impress Joe Schmoe
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#70
by
Comga
on 06 Oct, 2015 19:07
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If you google NSWCDD-PN-15-00408 you can find the NAVSEA presentation presented at an IEEE meeting by Dr. Louis DeChiaro.
The presentation seems fairly up to date. The images of some sort of LENR powered shuttle on slide 21 is new to me, though.
Very nice document.
It very much looks like this is for real.
If it were for real, they'd have no problem producing electricity. Have a box that produces tens of kilowatts of electricity, hooked up to an electrical meter, and making money.
"They" have over fifty million dollars in combined funding from Woodford Equity and Cherokee Investment Funds after two years of dilligence. "They" are not really trying to impress Joe Schmoe
Referencing the investment of venture capitalists is the worst form of
"appeal to authority", a logical fallacy.
By definition, venture capitalists try to find endeavors in fields outside of their expertise, which is monetary, in which to invest. Even the best have poor batting averages, although there are many reasons for that more common than that the physics doesn't work.
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#71
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bad_astra
on 06 Oct, 2015 19:50
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Woodford Equity Income Fund is not venture capital. On the other hand, the US Navy is also testing (see the NAVSEA presentation). More information on that is apparently forthcoming, and will probably be more interesting than anything yet mentioned, including a way to replicate Pons and Fleischman.
I'm not interested in this thread getting into the whole debase on Andrea Rossi. There have been persons with agenda's who have tried in the past to derail conversations regarding LENR on here, and succeeded. Rossi is by far not the only person working on this, and his group is not even working on space related applications.
NASA is clearly continuing to work on this, as is NAVSEA, and that is worth discussing.
My guess is the effect is from quantum tunneling in metal hydrides requiring a Ni, Pd, or Pt catalyst.
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#72
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Elmar Moelzer
on 06 Oct, 2015 22:14
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I agree with Robotbeat and remain skeptical. Rossi and his invention have been around for a while. His stories often contradict each other over time. There is still no accepted theory to fully explain the function of the device.
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#73
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AdrianW
on 07 Oct, 2015 07:30
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There is still no accepted theory to fully explain the function of the device.
Independent of everything else, this is by far the weakest of all arguments. You don't need a theory to observe or reproduce an effect. We could observe and reproduce electrical sparks before we could explain them; heck, we could observe and reproduce fire
tens of thousands of years before we could explain it.
There are good reasons to be skeptical of Rossi, but this is not one of them.
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#74
by
Star One
on 07 Oct, 2015 12:56
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I agree with Robotbeat and remain skeptical. Rossi and his invention have been around for a while. His stories often contradict each other over time. There is still no accepted theory to fully explain the function of the device.
You're attempting to drag it back to one person when there are more involved in this than just him.
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#75
by
sghill
on 07 Oct, 2015 14:07
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And to be clear. Cherokee Investment owns the technology and the company Industrial Heat, and has so for a few years now. Rossi was assigned the US patent and he is a technical advisor to Cherokee. It's not Rossi who is claiming to have a working fusion reactor at a commercial customer's site, it's Cherokee. Cherokee is a US company based in NC. They are subject to U.S. fraud laws, and they are making some very specific performance claims at this time (such as the patent application data) that would destroy them if it were willingly fraudulent.
http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/blog/techflash/2014/10/raleigh-investor-darden-still-bullish-on.htmlThey are still playing things close to the vest, as are all the other fusion players because the competitors and thieves are circling. I imagine they are working on reliability, long term testing, and manufacturing so that when they do go "general availability" with a product they can consistently deliver it.
A 1mW/ $1 million fusion reactor sitting in a shipping container and generating heat for an industrial customer is a big f-ing deal, and the applications for space flight and the world in general can't be overstated. It's because the possibilities are so huge that we're all getting worked up whenever that sometimes-crook, sometimes-inventor Rossi shows up in the news.
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#76
by
bad_astra
on 07 Oct, 2015 14:11
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Well, in this case I think the possibility that NRL has been replicating Fleishman and Pons repeatedly is a far bigger matter. There just isn't information yet, to do anything but speculate.
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#77
by
WBY1984
on 07 Oct, 2015 14:24
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Another thread discussing fringe topics with a whole load of fuzzy data? I lurk here mostly, but I hope topics like this isn't a sign of where this site is headed.
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#78
by
flymetothemoon
on 07 Oct, 2015 15:01
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Another thread discussing fringe topics with a whole load of fuzzy data? I lurk here mostly, but I hope topics like this isn't a sign of where this site is headed.
This is the advanced concepts forum.
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#79
by
flymetothemoon
on 07 Oct, 2015 15:06
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