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Offline dcporter

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Re: Could Merlin 1D lead to the return of Falcon 5?
« Reply #20 on: 01/18/2012 09:28 pm »
I think someone else is paying the development costs, and SpaceX is happy to be able to hire a bunch of engineers on someone else's dime. =)

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Re: Could Merlin 1D lead to the return of Falcon 5?
« Reply #21 on: 01/18/2012 09:35 pm »
So, now with the announcement of Stratolaunch, what do you guys think?

I think that relying on any one quote from someone at SpaceX is not too reliable.    >:(
« Last Edit: 01/18/2012 09:35 pm by Danderman »

Offline MikeMelga

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Re: Could Merlin 1D lead to the return of Falcon 5?
« Reply #22 on: 01/18/2012 11:13 pm »
Paul Allen is backing it all the way. IMO SpaceX looked to be a versatile partner and my guess is that they want this to increase their launch numbers. Let's face it, it is the most exciting company out there but they need to launch more and broaden the client list.

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Re: Could Merlin 1D lead to the return of Falcon 5?
« Reply #23 on: 01/18/2012 11:53 pm »
Let's face it, it is the most exciting company out there


not really

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Re: Could Merlin 1D lead to the return of Falcon 5?
« Reply #24 on: 01/19/2012 12:06 am »
In all seriousness, what company is currently more "exciting"?

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Re: Could Merlin 1D lead to the return of Falcon 5?
« Reply #25 on: 01/19/2012 12:07 am »
In all seriousness, what company is currently more "exciting"?

the one with the most hype is Spacex.

If one reads or knows what is really going on, and not focusing on spin.

Lockheed is building the MPCV, built Juno, GRAIL and the entry vehicle for MSL, has two milcomsats at the launch site being prepared for launch, is designing the next generation weathersat and Mars orbiter and working on a mission to return samples from an asteriod, while being a partner in a launch vehicle company that will launch one to three different commercial manned spacecraft.
« Last Edit: 01/19/2012 12:15 am by Jim »

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Re: Could Merlin 1D lead to the return of Falcon 5?
« Reply #26 on: 01/19/2012 12:32 am »
Thanks for that reply 

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Re: Could Merlin 1D lead to the return of Falcon 5?
« Reply #27 on: 01/19/2012 12:36 am »
In all seriousness, what company is currently more "exciting"?

the one with the most hype is Spacex.

If one reads or knows what is really going on, and not focusing on spin.

Lockheed is building the MPCV, built Juno, GRAIL and the entry vehicle for MSL, has two milcomsats at the launch site being prepared for launch, is designing the next generation weathersat and Mars orbiter and working on a mission to return samples from an asteriod, while being a partner in a launch vehicle company that will launch one to three different commercial manned spacecraft.

Then there's Boeing, which currently has the contract to develop the largest rocket stage the world has ever seen, which builds super-powerful satellites based on a lineage that traces back to the first geo-sats, which is working on CST-100 for commercial crew, and oh, which built that X-37B thing that everyone wonders about, among many other things. 

SpaceX is interesting, but I find all of this work, by all of these companies, exciting.  :)

 - Ed Kyle
« Last Edit: 01/19/2012 12:45 am by edkyle99 »

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Re: Could Merlin 1D lead to the return of Falcon 5?
« Reply #28 on: 01/19/2012 12:45 am »
Would it be "good" for space flight if these two companies were to "hype" themselves more? SpaceX seems to generate interest in our favorite subject .

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Re: Could Merlin 1D lead to the return of Falcon 5?
« Reply #29 on: 01/19/2012 12:48 am »
SpaceX is exciting because of Elon Musk.

He comes out and says he's making the species interplanetary, building reusable launch vehicles and launching the most powerful rocket the world has seen since the Saturn V.

Yes it's all spin but people eat it up.

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Re: Could Merlin 1D lead to the return of Falcon 5?
« Reply #30 on: 01/19/2012 12:49 am »
Would it be "good" for space flight if these two companies were to "hype" themselves more? SpaceX seems to generate interest in our favorite subject .

My guess is that the advertising budgets of either Lockheed Martin or Boeing vastly dwarf the ad budget of SpaceX.  On the other hand, space is only a relatively small part of what the "Big Two" do while SpaceX does nothing else. 

 - Ed Kyle

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Re: Could Merlin 1D lead to the return of Falcon 5?
« Reply #31 on: 01/19/2012 01:12 am »
I believe Shotwell said that they don't want to go back to Falcon 5 because it's unstable.

I think it was because of concerns of instability if there was an outboard engine failure during the first seconds of flight.

Musk wants a vehicle that can handle a T+0 engine failure.
« Last Edit: 01/19/2012 01:14 am by Patchouli »

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Re: Could Merlin 1D lead to the return of Falcon 5?
« Reply #32 on: 01/19/2012 03:24 am »
In all seriousness, what company is currently more "exciting"?

the one with the most hype is Spacex.

If one reads or knows what is really going on, and not focusing on spin.

Lockheed is building the MPCV, built Juno, GRAIL and the entry vehicle for MSL, has two milcomsats at the launch site being prepared for launch, is designing the next generation weathersat and Mars orbiter and working on a mission to return samples from an asteriod, while being a partner in a launch vehicle company that will launch one to three different commercial manned spacecraft.

should have said
while being a partner in a launch vehicle company that launched or will launch all of the aforementioned and will launch one to three different commercial manned spacecraft.

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Re: Could Merlin 1D lead to the return of Falcon 5?
« Reply #33 on: 01/19/2012 05:44 am »
I thought Falcon 5 will de facto be back with Stratolaunch.


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Re: Could Merlin 1D lead to the return of Falcon 5?
« Reply #34 on: 01/19/2012 10:18 am »
SpaceX is exciting because of Elon Musk.

He comes out and says he's making the species interplanetary, building reusable launch vehicles and launching the most powerful rocket the world has seen since the Saturn V.

Yes it's all spin but people eat it up.
50 years ago a guy said we would put a man on the moon. We need guys like Elon musk, trying to push the envelop. I'm not excited with Lockheed and others because they are focused on money and job maintenance. Nothing wrong with both objectives, but we've had the same for the past 40 years with no innovation.

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Re: Could Merlin 1D lead to the return of Falcon 5?
« Reply #35 on: 01/19/2012 01:52 pm »
SpaceX is exciting because of Elon Musk.

He comes out and says he's making the species interplanetary, building reusable launch vehicles and launching the most powerful rocket the world has seen since the Saturn V.

Yes it's all spin but people eat it up.

Perhaps, but it takes a lot of omega to actually achieve orbital flights.
« Last Edit: 01/19/2012 01:55 pm by RDoc »

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Re: Could Merlin 1D lead to the return of Falcon 5?
« Reply #36 on: 01/19/2012 02:03 pm »
Nothing wrong with both objectives, but we've had the same for the past 40 years with no innovation.

A Jupiter probe with no nuclear power source is not innovative? 

What is innovative about Falcon 9?  Dragon?  They are no different than existing systems.
« Last Edit: 01/19/2012 02:04 pm by Jim »

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Re: Could Merlin 1D lead to the return of Falcon 5?
« Reply #37 on: 01/19/2012 02:31 pm »
Can this thread be brought back on track?
Playing Politics with Commercial Crew is Un-American!!!

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Re: Could Merlin 1D lead to the return of Falcon 5?
« Reply #38 on: 01/19/2012 02:55 pm »
Can this thread be brought back on track?

As above. Much easier when everyone self moderates a thread, so when someone - like above - says that, class it the same as if I said it (not that some of you take any notice of me ;D).

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Re: Could Merlin 1D lead to the return of Falcon 5?
« Reply #39 on: 01/19/2012 03:48 pm »
Nothing wrong with both objectives, but we've had the same for the past 40 years with no innovation.

A Jupiter probe with no nuclear power source is not innovative? 

What is innovative about Falcon 9?  Dragon?  They are no different than existing systems.
Price. And SpaceX is not a government job creation scam. Jeez, for such a capitalist country, your space program is the most socialist thing you have, can't you see that? Now it is a job creation industry and NASA is the money dispenser.

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