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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 v1.1 - SES-8 - DISCUSSION THREAD
« Reply #920 on: 12/03/2013 10:50 pm »
A cool view of the launch:

I wonder, is this after MVac ignition, or is it all first stage?

To me it looks like discontinuity between the dew-point contrail and the beginning of the "squid" cloud of unburned exhaust - that is, first stage. Also, if it was after separation, you could probably see the cold gas thrusters firings in that picture.

EDIT: Actually, from seeing a new amateur video posted in the Live thread, I'd change my view: it's definitely showing the second stage firing, comparing it to the view on the video.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 v1.1 - SES-8 - DISCUSSION THREAD
« Reply #921 on: 12/03/2013 10:53 pm »
A cool view of the launch:

I wonder, is this after MVac ignition, or is it all first stage?

To me it looks like discontinuity between the dew-point contrail and the beginning of the "squid" cloud of unburned exhaust - that is, first stage. Also, if it was after separation, you could probably see the cold gas thrusters firings in that picture.

No, I am referring to the tracking cam footage - here is a screencap: (blue exhaust = RCS, the white at the top left is most likely just M1D or tank venting)
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 v1.1 - SES-8 - DISCUSSION THREAD
« Reply #922 on: 12/03/2013 11:40 pm »
What's the perigee? Should be able to figure out when it'll eventually come down.

Per press kit, target orbit was 295km x 80,000km at 20.75 degrees.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 v1.1 - SES-8 - DISCUSSION THREAD
« Reply #923 on: 12/04/2013 12:01 am »
I saw two things lift off at 0:18. What's that on the right?

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 v1.1 - SES-8 - DISCUSSION THREAD
« Reply #924 on: 12/04/2013 12:03 am »
What's the perigee? Should be able to figure out when it'll eventually come down.

Per press kit, target orbit was 295km x 80,000km at 20.75 degrees.

In case anyone's interested, that implies a time to apogee of 15.6 hours.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 v1.1 - SES-8 - DISCUSSION THREAD
« Reply #925 on: 12/04/2013 12:09 am »
I saw two things lift off at 0:18. What's that on the right?

It looks like a camera lens internal reflection.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 v1.1 - SES-8 - DISCUSSION THREAD
« Reply #926 on: 12/04/2013 12:16 am »
When was the last actual commercial comsat launch from US ? i.e. an actual GEO bird that wasnt USAF or DoD or something like that ?
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 v1.1 - SES-8 - DISCUSSION THREAD
« Reply #927 on: 12/04/2013 12:17 am »
When was the last actual commercial comsat launch from US ? i.e. an actual GEO bird that wasnt USAF or DoD or something like that ?

Atlas V launch with Intelsat 14, November 23, 2009
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 v1.1 - SES-8 - DISCUSSION THREAD
« Reply #928 on: 12/04/2013 12:23 am »
Technically, the "the last actual commercial comsat launch from US" was the failed Intelsat 27 launch by Zenit 3SL on 1 February this year, as those launchers are registered with the US. The last successful one was Eutelsat 70B by Zenit 3SL on 3 December 2012. The last one from Florida was Intelsat 14 as indicated above.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 v1.1 - SES-8 - DISCUSSION THREAD
« Reply #929 on: 12/04/2013 12:37 am »
I saw two things lift off at 0:18. What's that on the right?

An unfortunate training exercise involving an F-22 Raptor.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 v1.1 - SES-8 - DISCUSSION THREAD
« Reply #930 on: 12/04/2013 01:28 am »
When was the last actual commercial comsat launch from US ? i.e. an actual GEO bird that wasnt USAF or DoD or something like that ?

Atlas V launch with Intelsat 14, November 23, 2009
And F1 flight 5 in April 2009

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 v1.1 - SES-8 - DISCUSSION THREAD
« Reply #931 on: 12/04/2013 01:38 am »
What's the perigee? Should be able to figure out when it'll eventually come down.

Per press kit, target orbit was 295km x 80,000km at 20.75 degrees.

.. and the magic 8-ball says:

   decay is estimated to be on 12 Mar 2014.. after 124 orbits. The lifetime is 98 days.

If anyone has better guesses for the drag numbers, I can plug 'em in.


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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 v1.1 - SES-8 - DISCUSSION THREAD
« Reply #932 on: 12/04/2013 02:31 am »
When was the last actual commercial comsat launch from US ? i.e. an actual GEO bird that wasnt USAF or DoD or something like that ?


Last commercial non cargo spacecraft was COSMO-4 on a Delta II in 2010

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 v1.1 - SES-8 - DISCUSSION THREAD
« Reply #933 on: 12/04/2013 03:22 am »
When was the last actual commercial comsat launch from US ? i.e. an actual GEO bird that wasnt USAF or DoD or something like that ?

Last commercial non cargo spacecraft was COSMO-4 on a Delta II in 2010

Well, COSMO-SkyMed 4 from the Italian Space Agency is not a Comsat, which the poster was asking about. SAC-D from the Argentinean Space Agency was launched more recently, on 10 June 2011 on a Delta-II. NASA paid for this launch though as SAC-D was carrying NASA's Aquarius payload, which I presume is why you're not counting SAC-D as a commercial launch.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 v1.1 - SES-8 - DISCUSSION THREAD
« Reply #934 on: 12/04/2013 03:29 am »
When was the last actual commercial comsat launch from US ? i.e. an actual GEO bird that wasnt USAF or DoD or something like that ?

Last commercial non cargo spacecraft was COSMO-4 on a Delta II in 2010

Well, COSMO-SkyMed 4 from the Italian Space Agency is not a Comsat, which the poster was asking about. SAC-D from the Argentinean Space Agency was launched more recently, on 10 June 2011 on a Delta-II. NASA paid for this launch though as SAC-D was carrying NASA's Aquarius payload, which I presume is why you're not counting SAC-D as a commercial launch.

A commercial launch is where the US gov't did not pay for it.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 v1.1 - SES-8 - DISCUSSION THREAD
« Reply #935 on: 12/04/2013 04:04 am »
When was the last actual commercial comsat launch from US ? i.e. an actual GEO bird that wasnt USAF or DoD or something like that ?

Last commercial non cargo spacecraft was COSMO-4 on a Delta II in 2010

Well, COSMO-SkyMed 4 from the Italian Space Agency is not a Comsat, which the poster was asking about. SAC-D from the Argentinean Space Agency was launched more recently, on 10 June 2011 on a Delta-II. NASA paid for this launch though as SAC-D was carrying NASA's Aquarius payload, which I presume is why you're not counting SAC-D as a commercial launch.

A commercial launch is where the US gov't did not pay for it.

SpaceX had three categories I seem to remember. US Government launches, foreign government launches, and commercial launches. So that wouldn't be commercial by SpaceX's definition.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 v1.1 - SES-8 - DISCUSSION THREAD
« Reply #936 on: 12/04/2013 04:31 am »
Do we have any info on signal acquisition from SES-8? Spaceflight Now wrote at 2320 GMT, that "SpaceX and SES are awaiting acquisition of signal from the SES 8 satellite before calling this launch a success." Since it is called success without mentioning signal acquisition.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 v1.1 - SES-8 - DISCUSSION THREAD
« Reply #937 on: 12/04/2013 04:42 am »
Do we have any info on signal acquisition from SES-8? Spaceflight Now wrote at 2320 GMT, that "SpaceX and SES are awaiting acquisition of signal from the SES 8 satellite before calling this launch a success." Since it is called success without mentioning signal acquisition.

Acquired 6 hours ago. Spaceflight Now with old info as usual.

https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/408013681729880064

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=32990.msg1127802#msg1127802
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LEO is the ocean, not an island (let alone a continent). We create cruise liners to ride the oceans, not artificial islands in the middle of them. We need a physical place, which has physical resources, to make our future out there.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 v1.1 - SES-8 - DISCUSSION THREAD
« Reply #938 on: 12/04/2013 06:11 am »
Do we have any info on signal acquisition from SES-8? Spaceflight Now wrote at 2320 GMT, that "SpaceX and SES are awaiting acquisition of signal from the SES 8 satellite before calling this launch a success." Since it is called success without mentioning signal acquisition.

That's why the site has update threads.  :)
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 v1.1 - SES-8 - DISCUSSION THREAD
« Reply #939 on: 12/04/2013 06:56 am »
Do we have any info on signal acquisition from SES-8? Spaceflight Now wrote at 2320 GMT, that "SpaceX and SES are awaiting acquisition of signal from the SES 8 satellite before calling this launch a success." Since it is called success without mentioning signal acquisition.

That's why the site has update threads.  :)

True, though, to be fair, in this case after the launch the update thread was opened up for celebrating the success and the ratio of true updates to discussion became very low.  I can see it being hard to find the info about the signal being acquired in all that.

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