Author Topic: LIVE: STS-133 Flight Day 6 - PMM Install/Outfitting, EVA-2 Prep (Read 111986 times)

Chris Bergin · « **Reply #120 on:** 03/01/2011 03:58 pm »

Another on engineering data.

Mr Todd: I think there was multiple reasons and clearly photo documentation it is what it is. Engineering data - I will tell you we learn a lot each time we do these types of activities. But we got a lot of good data on what it would take. I don't see it as wasted time and if we ever needed to do this with a Soyuz we'll have to assess this at that time.

Another on any disapointment.

Mr Todd. This is very much a can do team (international partnership). The last 10-11 years we've been on orbit, this team thrives of challenges. It was a late evaluation to our norminal plan. Options and thoughts came and we started knocking down walls. Our risk management process makes us ask all the right questions. Is there disapointment? Sure. It'd of been really good for the program to have this image. We have to respect the fact it's the right thing to do to ask the hard questions and sometimes it may not be what everyone wants (on the answer), but it was the right thing to do.

Robert on timing.

Mr Todd: It was only a timing issue as we didn't get to talk about it before the Soyuz launch. If Roscosmos had known before they may have gotten to the point where they would have been more comfortable. We test out stuff before launch and we were talking about something they hadn't tested. We should have been talking about this for a much longer period, but again we didn't know the shuttle would end up in Feb. It is what it is but we move forward.

Space Pete · « **Reply #121 on:** 03/01/2011 04:08 pm »

Yay, ISS now has PMM!

Boo, no Soyuz flyaround.

Quote from: apace on 03/01/2011 02:09 pm

Any ideas to re-locate the cupola? Was thinking the same... bad thing.

Current plan is to put PMM on Node 3 Aft, and Cupola on Node 1 Nadir. That would free up Node 3 Nadir for a VV B/U port.

Chris Bergin · « **Reply #122 on:** 03/01/2011 04:09 pm »

Marcia - what was the concern.

Mr Todd: Nothing particular. With this first vehicle there was too much straying from the plan and the lack of the right amount of time to get comfortable. It's a new vehicle with new systems, so there's some level of comfort they need to be able to entertain these options.

On PMM:

Mr Korth: Yes, they will have googles etc. It's part of the protocol. It is a new vehicle so we intend to treat it that way.

On PMM (Irene) mass.

Mr Korth: ISS is now 900,000 pounds entire mass.

On flyabout.

Mr Todd: Will still do the flyaround with Discovery and gain that nominal data.

On other modules.

Mr Todd. Still being worked by Russian partners. MLL (?).

James on what is new about the Soyuz. Surprise decision?

Mr Todd: There are some new computers on this vehicle. This was brought up from the start by the Russians. Everyday you are working in LEO there is risk management. We're always asking the what ifs. They were very open with us on this. But we really needed them to conclude their process. It's their vehicle and their commander, so it was absolutely not a surprise.

On Russia having more crewmembers in the future and ESA/JAXA getting more.

Mr Todd: All the partners want crewmembers onboard. Clearly they would like to be aboard and doing science for their nations. It's something we have to balance going forward.

Does it seem that Russia have a controlling stance?

Mr Todd: How they split the crew manifest it's been in place for a long time.

Presser over.

e of pi · « **Reply #123 on:** 03/01/2011 04:10 pm »

Quote from: Space Pete on 03/01/2011 04:08 pm

Yay, ISS now has PMM!

Boo, no Soyuz flyaround.

Quote from: apace on 03/01/2011 02:09 pm
Any ideas to re-locate the cupola? Was thinking the same... bad thing.

Current plan is to put PMM on Node 3 Aft, and Cupola on Node 1 Nadir. That would free up Node 3 Nadir for a VV B/U port.

Pete, how likely is that PMM move? I know there's clearance issues with the FGB solar arrays, how does that play into the decision making? Has there been any thought given to when that move would occur?

Ronsmytheiii · « **Reply #124 on:** 03/01/2011 04:11 pm »

Quote from: Chris Bergin on 03/01/2011 03:56 pm

With HTV-2 on the Zenith it provides good blockage for the windows. So if we wanted to attempt it again and the HTV wasn't there, we'd have to re-evalute it all.

Make it so

Ronsmytheiii · « **Reply #125 on:** 03/01/2011 04:11 pm »

Chris Bergin · « **Reply #126 on:** 03/01/2011 04:11 pm »

Mr Lunney and his Orbit 1 team in the Shuttle FCR.

Discovery's friend Mr Steve Robinson is CAPCOM.

Martin FL · « **Reply #127 on:** 03/01/2011 04:13 pm »

How do you transcribe their comments so fast Chris?

JimO · « **Reply #128 on:** 03/01/2011 04:13 pm »

Quote from: Chris Bergin on 03/01/2011 04:09 pm

Marcia - what was the concern.

Mr Todd: Nothing particular. With this first vehicle there was too much straying from the plan and the lack of the right amount of time to get comfortable. It's a new vehicle with new systems, so there's some level of comfort they need to be able to entertain these options.

Allow me to express a little skepticism here, and y'all should expect to see an analysis for MSNBC shortly [will post link when it's ready] -- no mention of the digital Soyuz 'funnies' during ascent and later in the mission.

It was a proper decision, based on what they had been observing -- but I would argue that NASA is being disingenuous in suggesting that with a little more time to assess the proposal the Russians would have come to a different decision.

Chris Bergin · « **Reply #129 on:** 03/01/2011 04:14 pm »

Ingressing later today!

Chris Bergin · « **Reply #130 on:** 03/01/2011 04:14 pm »

Quote from: Martin FL on 03/01/2011 04:13 pm

How do you transcribe their comments so fast Chris?

I don't. I sit back and have a lovely cup of tea whilst a crack team of highly skilled monkeys do it for me

(I can type fast

)

Chris Bergin · « **Reply #131 on:** 03/01/2011 04:16 pm »

Good leak checks.

Chris Bergin · « **Reply #132 on:** 03/01/2011 04:18 pm »

Commander Kelly in view overview the work.

Martin FL · « **Reply #133 on:** 03/01/2011 04:20 pm »

Quote from: Chris Bergin on 03/01/2011 04:14 pm

Quote from: Martin FL on 03/01/2011 04:13 pm
How do you transcribe their comments so fast Chris?

I don't. I sit back and have a lovely cup of tea whilst a crack team of highly skilled monkeys do it for me

(I can type fast )

Ask a silly question.....

Mapperuo · « **Reply #134 on:** 03/01/2011 04:22 pm »

Quote from: Chris Bergin on 03/01/2011 04:14 pm

Quote from: Martin FL on 03/01/2011 04:13 pm
How do you transcribe their comments so fast Chris?

I don't. I sit back and have a lovely cup of tea whilst a crack team of highly skilled monkeys do it for me

(I can type fast )

So L2 actually pays for Bananas... Makes sense..

Chris Bergin · « **Reply #135 on:** 03/01/2011 04:23 pm »

EMUs, ready for tomorrow's EVA-2.

Space Pete · « **Reply #136 on:** 03/01/2011 04:23 pm »

Quote from: e of pi on 03/01/2011 04:10 pm

Pete, how likely is that PMM move? I know there's clearance issues with the FGB solar arrays, how does that play into the decision making? Has there been any thought given to when that move would occur?

PMM move is fairly likely, in my opinion. In its current config, ISS simply cannot support all future VVs (Cygnus cannot use Node 2 Zenith as a back-up port).

If PMM went to Node 3 Aft and Cupola went to Node 1 Nadir, Node 2 Nadir and Node 3 Nadir would become the VV ports. If PMA-2 then went to Node 3 Forward, that would use all ports on Node 3, plus it would free up Node 2 Forward & Zenith for CDAs. Or, if Node 4 were added to Node 2 Forward, Node 2 Zenith could be used for the BEAM.

As for timing, I'd say 2012.

There are issues with the FGB arrays, but only if the 24 inch clearance rule is observed (and seems as the arrays are so close to the Cupola, the rule might be waived).

Chris Bergin · « **Reply #137 on:** 03/01/2011 04:28 pm »

Quote from: Mapperuo on 03/01/2011 04:22 pm

Quote from: Chris Bergin on 03/01/2011 04:14 pm
Quote from: Martin FL on 03/01/2011 04:13 pm
How do you transcribe their comments so fast Chris?

I don't. I sit back and have a lovely cup of tea whilst a crack team of highly skilled monkeys do it for me

(I can type fast )

So L2 actually pays for Bananas... Makes sense..

Yep, got to keep the site in bananas otherwise the place would fall over real fast. Best L2 plug ever!

Video file coming up shortly. Otherwise known as an opportunity for Chris to rush to the supermarket faster than Mike Moses talking about Stringers.

....so feel more than welcome to throw in some screenshots etc....when they return live. I'll be back in an hour.

Cherokee43v6 · « **Reply #138 on:** 03/01/2011 04:32 pm »

I like the first image on Chris' post nine(or so) back...

Photo of the hatch to PMM... on right is the label "To Hab"

Ah, the best laid plans...

I seem to recall that with the Jules Verne ATV, one of the crew set up their bedroom in there. I do wonder, as the supply situation sorts itself out, what kind of alternate uses the PMM might be put to. I recall that when the HAB module was first taken off the flight roster that the MPLM builders put forward a proposal to convert one of the MPLM's into a Hab module. Almost looks like we came full circle on that.

Space Pete · « **Reply #139 on:** 03/01/2011 04:53 pm »

Quote from: Cherokee43v6 on 03/01/2011 04:32 pm

I like the first image on Chris' post nine(or so) back...

Photo of the hatch to PMM... on right is the label "To Hab"

Ah, the best laid plans...

I seem to recall that with the Jules Verne ATV, one of the crew set up their bedroom in there. I do wonder, as the supply situation sorts itself out, what kind of alternate uses the PMM might be put to. I recall that when the HAB module was first taken off the flight roster that the MPLM builders put forward a proposal to convert one of the MPLM's into a Hab module. Almost looks like we came full circle on that.

I imagine they'll stick a new label over the "TO HAB" label - they did the same with the "TO CUP" label (became "TO NOD 3").

During ATV-1, one crewmember did sleep in ATV, but this was not recommended by the ground as ATV doesn't have radiation protection. I should think the crew will stick with their CQs in Node 2 (astronauts comment that they are fairly quiet).