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Re: The Apollo 18 Movie thread
« Reply #20 on: 02/22/2011 02:28 pm »

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   And as far as space movies being unrealistic or inaccurate, remember, the general public isn't as "space proficient" as alot of us are. Plus, you have to keep them entertained for a couple hours. If they could see how boring the day to day work can be, it might not make for good entertainment. (I'm talking things that aren't launch/rollout/rollover related of course)

I don't know. Hollywood almost always thinks it has to dumb things down, or create fake technology or science to make things more exciting.

But when they actually stick close to reality, like Apollo 13, the general public loves it. They may not squirm like we did at Armageddon, but they're not turned off by accuracy either.

NB: As long as the story is interesting and well written. Which it often isn't, so Hollywood prefers to rely on silly gimmicks.

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Re: The Apollo 18 Movie thread
« Reply #21 on: 02/22/2011 02:39 pm »
I don't mind when far future sci-fi employs advanced technology without explaining how it works. But I hate it when they make up pseudo science using ridiculous buzz words.

Yet they can't put seat belts on the seats on the Enterprise?

And those stupid shushing doors. Perhaps they need to reverse the polarity?

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Re: The Apollo 18 Movie thread
« Reply #22 on: 02/22/2011 04:18 pm »
I think the last space gothic I truly enjoyed was Event Horizon. Gothic by the numbers.

I'm afraid I have to disagree there, I mean, thunder and lightning in orbit!.

After I watched that I had to go scrub my brain out, there's only so far one can stretch their disbelief.

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Re: The Apollo 18 Movie thread
« Reply #23 on: 02/22/2011 05:22 pm »
I will reserve judgement until Darkstar has written a review like he did for Silent Running ( http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1337/1 http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1315/1 ). Then I will take a 180 degree reverse stance out of principle ;)

btw. Didn't we already have a thread on this (in which it was heavily trashed)?

Edit: Ooops, linked the wrong article.
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Re: The Apollo 18 Movie thread
« Reply #24 on: 02/22/2011 09:28 pm »
I am eagerly awaiting Darkstar's review myself!

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Re: The Apollo 18 Movie thread
« Reply #25 on: 02/22/2011 11:07 pm »
Okay, my brain was clearly out to lunch today...
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Re: The Apollo 18 Movie thread
« Reply #26 on: 02/23/2011 02:11 pm »

But when they actually stick close to reality, like Apollo 13, the general public loves it. They may not squirm like we did at Armageddon, but they're not turned off by accuracy either.

Keep in mind that you can only go so far off when you are doing a movie that's based on a true story. But even then, you can still imbellish some. If I remember correctly the crew said numerous times that there was never any argueing or fighting in the capsule like It was portrayed in the movie.
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Re: The Apollo 18 Movie thread
« Reply #27 on: 02/23/2011 04:09 pm »
... But when they actually stick close to reality, like Apollo 13, the general public loves it. They may not squirm like we did at Armageddon, but they're not turned off by accuracy either.

NB: As long as the story is interesting and well written. Which it often isn't, so Hollywood prefers to rely on silly gimmicks.

Apollo 13 was popular and well received because it was well made. Its historical accuracy had little do with the success it had, IMO. It didn't hurt, of course... But equating accuracy with success is the wrong lesson to draw from it.

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Re: The Apollo 18 Movie thread
« Reply #28 on: 02/27/2011 03:56 am »
My point was: a good movie can still be accurate.  It doesn't have to be inaccurate to be successful.

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Re: The Apollo 18 Movie thread
« Reply #29 on: 02/27/2011 09:54 am »
Yet they can't put seat belts on the seats on the Enterprise?

Because they have inertial dampers! Off course, when a ship is attacked, this dampers may fail temporarly. That's why they've finally DO added safety belts (watch Star Trek: Nemesis).

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Re: The Apollo 18 Movie thread
« Reply #30 on: 02/27/2011 01:59 pm »
Just from fun speculative angle, would there have been any plausible way to have launched a mission with non- Saturn V rockets with Earth orbit rendezvous?

Would Titan rockets (with phony sat payloads) have been able to have carried a CSM, LM, or EDS?

Or else, maybe they really launched this mission under the cover of Skylab, and then claimed that Skylab failed in this alternative universe. (Or else they faked all the Skylab footage)

Or maybe they did this, which is in a 1970's thriller about Apollo 19...

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When Jakes pulled the red switch, he set several events into motion. First he disconnected all radio and video feeds from downrange. They could not be reconnected without a complicated rewiring procedure. Second he destroyed both the endless tape loop and the video disc inside the console, wiping out any information that might have been recorded on them before he hit the panic button.

Finally, he had activated monstrous jamming transmitters located on Merritt Island in Florida, which blanketed the microwave frequencies from downrange to prevent any unauthorized receivers from picking them up.

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Re: The Apollo 18 Movie thread
« Reply #31 on: 02/27/2011 02:50 pm »
I have two paperback copies of Sargasso.  Bought them because they have different covers.  I haven't read the book, but based upon your brief excerpt, it doesn't look very readable.

Here is one cover.  I cannot find the other cover online.  There does appear to be yet another cover.  My guess is that it got released as a hardcover, then rereleased twice as paperbacks, so three covers.  But the book reviews are not kind.
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Re: The Apollo 18 Movie thread
« Reply #32 on: 02/27/2011 03:14 pm »
I have two paperback copies of Sargasso.  Bought them because they have different covers.  I haven't read the book, but based upon your brief excerpt, it doesn't look very readable.

It isn't, I'm not going to give away too much except to say that it involves the Russians doing something very very stupid with an Almaz...

The cover of my copy is below, and for a bit of context to what I quoted earlier, here is the opening paragraph and the key line on the first page:

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The panic button was not a button at all, but a bright red knife switch positioned at the top right corner of the communications console. no one remembered who had originally installed the first panic button in those primitive days of the space program when all communications originated from the first missile control center at Cape Canaveral, Florida. Although some gave the credit to Shorty Powers, he denied the honour, and there are no written records to prove or disprove the point.

...no one has ever uncovered the fact that as the world watched the U.S space shots, everything that happened on screen or over the radio had occurred seven seconds earlier in realtime

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Re: The Apollo 18 Movie thread
« Reply #33 on: 02/28/2011 12:31 am »
Stepping into the "accuracy/inaccuracy" thing, once you get past the absurd notion of a classified Apollo mission, the fact that based on the trailer, the production crew did their homework and made everything look and feel like an Apollo mission lends a lot towards creating something very important for a horror film: atmosphere.

If you wanted a premise for a horror movie, the idea of two Apollo astronauts running into anything on the Moon is a pretty good one. You're alone, far from home, just you and one other guy. Living in the thin-skinned LM...walking in a pressure suit in the most hazardous environment imaginable is a scary enough thought. Now add something else into the equation.

Also, I don't think we'll see somebody pull a gun out, as at one point the trailer made a hammer look threatening.

I reserve judgment of course until I see the film, but again, it looks like the production crew did a good job of making it look accurate. Now how the plot holds is another story.
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Re: The Apollo 18 Movie thread
« Reply #34 on: 02/28/2011 12:48 am »
Skylon, I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking the same thing. Give this thing a chance, so far the general 'hate' on this is based of a two and a half minute trailer and a stereotype of bad unrealistic space movies like Armageddon.

I saw an accurate depiction of a LEM (and interior) EVA suits and garments to the point where the CDR was identifiable by the red strip on this helmet. The camera held by the Astronauts looks the same as the one used on the lunar landings.

(trailer in question, if anyone hasn't seen it yet)

Did I spy an USSR LK Lander in that trailer too?

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Re: The Apollo 18 Movie thread
« Reply #35 on: 02/28/2011 01:17 am »


Did I spy an USSR LK Lander in that trailer too?


Yep. Again, another point for the production crew as it looks like they at least took the time to look up some photos of the Soviet lander. Again, yeah, we being spaceflight enthusiasts know no such thing could have been pulled off by the Russians, but its still cool to see the hardware on screen. And not like what say, Mir was depicted as in "Armageddon." The only thing I'm not too clear on based on the trailer is if the production design team put the crew in the J-Mission pressure suits.

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Re: The Apollo 18 Movie thread
« Reply #36 on: 02/28/2011 03:02 am »
Skylon, I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking the same thing. Give this thing a chance, so far the general 'hate' on this is based of a two and a half minute trailer and a stereotype of bad unrealistic space movies like Armageddon.

Isn't this the one that was also produced in about four months?  My reaction is "meh," not hate, but I pretty much expect it to be crappy.

Then again, how are they ever going to beat "Moontrap"?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097911/


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Re: The Apollo 18 Movie thread
« Reply #37 on: 02/28/2011 03:03 am »
The cover of my copy is below, and for a bit of context to what I quoted earlier, here is the opening paragraph and the key line on the first page:

Thanks for posting that, as I was going to scan in my other copy.  It's a better cover, with the Bermuda Triangle symbol echoing the Apollo cone.

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Re: The Apollo 18 Movie thread
« Reply #38 on: 02/28/2011 01:07 pm »
All this is reminding me of another bad 1990 B-Film Bermuda triangle, Moon movie. I recently stumbled across it on Netflix, "The Dark Side of the Moon". Instead of an Apollo capsule and moon landing, it uses a long lost Space Shuttle and is par with "Moontrap".

It would be cool if they go with the authentic factor when making Apollo 18.
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Re: The Apollo 18 Movie thread
« Reply #39 on: 02/28/2011 01:20 pm »
The cover of my copy is below, and for a bit of context to what I quoted earlier, here is the opening paragraph and the key line on the first page:

Thanks for posting that, as I was going to scan in my other copy.  It's a better cover, with the Bermuda Triangle symbol echoing the Apollo cone.

So you have the '78 Sphere edition as well? There is also variant of that cover for a later(?) Sphere edition that uses a similar Apollo/Bermuda Triangle design but in the style of a four-color cartoon.

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