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Offline AnalogMan

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Re: Tile Identification help
« Reply #20 on: 02/10/2011 08:19 pm »
I've highlighted the location of tile 391020-393 in yellow in the attached map (ignore the giant arrowhead and red stuff).

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Re: Tile Identification help
« Reply #21 on: 02/10/2011 08:26 pm »
I'm not a TPS guy, but I own some pieces, and the underside of this one looks "off"
also all the title i've seen have a dash - or space after the V070 serial.
As mentioned, more info is needed, where and when mainly.

Can somebody at NASA dive into PRACA (and or TIMMS) and look, as the site below has a tile close to it
http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/nexgen/Misc_No_Link_to_Mains/P%23RACAP%23RACA/DESC103.txt


V070-391020-394
SCRATCH ALSO RUNS UNDER FILLER BAR OF ADJACENT TILE V070-391020-394.  SCRATCH IS ABOUT X415 Y0 1.5" LONG CAVITY IS KOROPONED.
« Last Edit: 02/10/2011 08:36 pm by Jester »

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Re: Tile Identification help
« Reply #22 on: 02/10/2011 08:29 pm »
I believe it is from an obsolete configuration, so you might not see a tile of that shape on the orbiters currently. It looks like the shapes/sizes of the tiles in that area were changed at some point.

But the substrate doesn't even look like a tile.  It looks like ET SOFI (orange).

Plus the "bond area" seems to have different "levels".  Not sure why that would be but not a TPS engineer either.  I think it is important to know a little more about the "how" and "where" he got it (Invicta, PM me if you want). 

I was speaking to the shape of the tile, not the construction. I defer the the other experts here on that, although I agree it does not look like the other tiles I've seen.

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Re: Tile Identification help
« Reply #23 on: 02/10/2011 08:35 pm »
chuck - Toilet paper has no real value? Try living with 5 other adults for 6 months in a can with no toilet paper. Man oh man. Toilet paper would be worth it's weight in gold!

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Re: Tile Identification help
« Reply #24 on: 02/10/2011 08:45 pm »
I already posted my question on collectSpace and I also asked Robert but he did't had any idea.

Well, I wouldn't say "I didn't have any idea." As I wrote you, I hadn't seen this color type before, but I agreed with you that it could be a fit check tile of some sort.

It is clearly not a thermal tile (which is a good thing, because if it were, you'd be in violation of ITAR).

For what it's worth, I just pulled out my (green) OV-099/Challenger fit-check tile and it appears to be made from the same material as yours.
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Re: Tile Identification help
« Reply #25 on: 02/11/2011 08:50 am »
Sorry Rob... I didn't wanted to situate you as I wrote. Hope you are not angry with me. I have a high respect towards you knowlege.

Well, so i'm quite glad that this tile seems to be a "real" fit-check one. I also got an answer from the FOIA request of the JSC. The investigation for finding a scrap paperwork is now in process but might take some time.
When more information  from the scrap paperwork will be available I will post an answer.  Before then any answers are still wellcome.
 

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Re: Tile Identification help
« Reply #26 on: 02/11/2011 07:28 pm »
I already posted my question on collectSpace and I also asked Robert but he did't had any idea.

Well, I wouldn't say "I didn't have any idea." As I wrote you, I hadn't seen this color type before, but I agreed with you that it could be a fit check tile of some sort.

It is clearly not a thermal tile (which is a good thing, because if it were, you'd be in violation of ITAR).

For what it's worth, I just pulled out my (green) OV-099/Challenger fit-check tile and it appears to be made from the same material as yours.

on ITAR, if he is a NON-US person and doesn't have an ok from the Department of State, technically he is (or actually the person selling it) breaking the law, but so is for example the store at KSC selling the tiles (or at least the material) and NASA it self for giving titles away in the early years.

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Re: Tile Identification help
« Reply #27 on: 02/11/2011 08:54 pm »
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I've highlighted the location of tile 391020-393 in yellow in the attached map (ignore the giant arrowhead and red stuff).

Can anyone tell me where to find the orbiter tile map posted by AnalogMan? I would like to have this map in a higher resolution.

I also asked him twice but no reaction so far.

Thanks in advance

Chris

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Re: Tile Identification help
« Reply #28 on: 02/11/2011 10:12 pm »
Can anyone tell me where to find the orbiter tile map posted by AnalogMan? I would like to have this map in a higher resolution.

I also asked him twice but no reaction so far.

Sent you a PM (private message)

Edit: did you click on the thumbnail to view the higher resolution original?
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Re: Tile Identification help
« Reply #29 on: 02/12/2011 07:16 am »
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Sent you a PM (private message)

Edit: did you click on the thumbnail to view the higher resolution original?

Thank you for response Yes I clicked the thumbnail but the image still has pixel fragments.


Now I would know if someone can tell me about the acronyms on the tile;
FWD307-1 121-203 means forward section
V070391020-393 is the originnal rockwell tile number and OV 103 for Discovery

But what means
OML P1
T36656
?

Thanks

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Re: Tile Identification help
« Reply #30 on: 02/12/2011 08:42 am »
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Sent you a PM (private message)

Edit: did you click on the thumbnail to view the higher resolution original?

Thank you for response Yes I clicked the thumbnail but the image still has pixel fragments.


Now I would know if someone can tell me about the acronyms on the tile;
FWD307-1 121-203 means forward section
V070391020-393 is the originnal rockwell tile number and OV 103 for Discovery

But what means
OML P1
T36656
?

Thanks


OML=outer mold line

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Re: Tile Identification help
« Reply #31 on: 02/13/2011 01:42 am »
I assume that this is a check fit tile for Challenger, but I was wondering if someone could help me clarify that, identify the location, perhaps provide the tile map and/or photos of the location of this tile.

FWD-9-A0036
V070-391017-117
OML P1 099 ONLY
TP T9B675  5-20-85


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Re: Tile Identification help
« Reply #32 on: 02/13/2011 05:42 pm »
OML P1
Based on the tile number map, an educated guess would be: "Outer Mold Line of Port Window #1".

*Edit* Not so "educated" as the tile map places it under window #3.
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Re: Tile Identification help
« Reply #33 on: 02/14/2011 03:02 pm »
BTW, after joining the site and looking around...... This is an awesome community!! I just joined the L2, can't wait to dig deeper. Great stuff!

Thank you to everyone for building a wonderful site.

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Re: Tile Identification help
« Reply #34 on: 02/14/2011 03:16 pm »
Cool, thanks for the nice words and for joining L2! That'll help us find the location via the orbiter and DAT presentations like we were attempting with this one:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=24080.0

Did a quick check and the nearest I got was V070-391017-1XX (Forward Lower Righthand Just Behind Nosecone). Seeing lots of 391017 in that location on one presentation, will dig it out for you.
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Re: Tile Identification help
« Reply #35 on: 02/19/2011 08:05 pm »
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*Edit* Not so "educated" as the tile map places it under window #3.

... so that means what now? code id and map does not fit? tile ID and tile map id are basicly the same. Just the OML P1 does not fit.

So P1 must have another meaning?!

Thanks in advance

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Re: Tile Identification help
« Reply #36 on: 04/06/2011 07:28 am »
... so mysteries are finally cleared. The "tile" I owned is  quite rare item.  Due to my FOIA request at JSC I finally got a great response: Its a tracer pattern for machining the original tile.  Its like a negative that is used in a kind of key-machine. The outline and shape from the negative will be transfered onto the TPS material and automaticly cutted out.

The JSC  provided the whole paperwork to that item. I guess thisone is  also a  great item of history concerning the building of Discovery. Due that fact I didn't know that the original tiles were made this way.

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Re: Tile Identification help
« Reply #37 on: 04/06/2011 09:38 am »
I am the lucky owner of several flown Concorde engine parts. I have some non-flown ones (stock) but the flown ones are most precious to me.

I have a question... How is is possible to find flown Space Shuttle tiles and where should I look?

I also have interest for non-flown tiles.

I want them to be genuine.

I would not trust ebay not knowing what I am buying unless somebody here can confirm they are real and not mock-ups.

Thank you very much in advance for your answers.
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Re: Tile Identification help
« Reply #38 on: 06/09/2011 02:27 am »
Does anyone have any data on this tile? Orbiter, location, etc...

V070-394035-134

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Re: Tile Identification help
« Reply #39 on: 06/09/2011 10:48 am »
Probable location:

Orbiter underside, aft of nose wheel doors.
http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/124111main_FD08_Ex_Pack.pdf
« Last Edit: 06/09/2011 10:51 am by Jester »

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