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#220
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James P
on 21 Jan, 2011 18:39
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Really nice pictures that LA Daily News have up. It really shows how much charring took place. Especially on the outside core booster. Thing sure did BBQ on the way up.
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#221
by
Lars_J
on 21 Jan, 2011 18:46
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Yep, those SFN pictures are quite amazing.
Now imagine the outrage & criticism if 'blind squirrels' charred their rockets as much.
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#222
by
Robotbeat
on 21 Jan, 2011 18:47
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Yep, those SFN pictures are quite amazing.
Now imagine the outrage & criticism if 'blind squirrels' charred their rockets as much.
Here, here.
EDIT: Note that the launch still appears to be a complete success in spite of this. I would still think it's safe to say, though, that having your rocket tanks on fire is probably a bigger issue than the Falcon 9 COTS demo 1 fireball (and damaged strongarm). I'm glad the DIVH was robust enough that it was able to survive burning for a while!
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#223
by
Satori
on 21 Jan, 2011 19:48
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HA! Check out the "OH NO!" during ignition.
Video isn't available any more. Did anyone has copy?? PM me.
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#224
by
gospacex
on 21 Jan, 2011 19:52
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Actual burning appears to be confined to intertank areas on each CBC. The tanks per se aren't burning. Looks like Delta IV needs to use different paint for that area.
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#225
by
starsilk
on 21 Jan, 2011 20:04
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#226
by
Jim
on 21 Jan, 2011 20:18
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Yep, those SFN pictures are quite amazing.
Now imagine the outrage & criticism if 'blind squirrels' charred their rockets as much.
It was there. The forum didn't exist for the first delta IV launch and you should have heard the Atlas comments
So touché
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#227
by
Lee Jay
on 21 Jan, 2011 20:18
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Corrected the link, as only the original source should be linked.
http://dailynews.mycapture.com/mycapture/folder.asp?event=1156182&CategoryID=26369&ListSubAlbums=0
looking at the pictures, in (36) and (44) which look to be about the same time in the launch, the center booster has a much brighter, orangier (sp?) flame than the two strap on boosters (and the mach diamonds much less visible). it's gone in the next frames.
problem? or just trick of the light?
I've never understood what an SSME "flare" is, and I wonder if this isn't one of the same.
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#228
by
sfxtd
on 21 Jan, 2011 21:20
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It was a beautiful day, so I drove out from Los Angeles to see this launch. I watched from Gaviota, about 24 miles ESE from SLC-6. It would be nice to be closer, but a Southern trajectory does cross the sky nicely. The afternoon sun did eventually obscure the view. The sound from that distance is a just low rumble, but it lasts for a very long time.
Congratulations to all involved with the successful launch.
-Tim
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#229
by
Nick L.
on 21 Jan, 2011 23:08
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#230
by
jjnodice
on 21 Jan, 2011 23:47
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Launch highlights video is up: http://www.ulalaunch.com/site/Video/videos/DIV/divh_nrol49_lh.wmv
Many thanks to ULA for a great launch and a great highlight video.
My 5, 4, and 2 year old children have asked many times today to watch this with me -- especially the 2 year old.
The 5 year old had the most pointed questions:
"Daddy, does that rocket carry people?"
"No buddy, just satellites."
"Why not?"
I'm am still trying to come up with a good answer for him.
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#231
by
robertross
on 21 Jan, 2011 23:49
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I'm am still trying to come up with a good answer for him.
Time & money.
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#232
by
butters
on 22 Jan, 2011 00:17
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I'm am still trying to come up with a good answer for him.
Time & money.
If that were the problem, then DIVH would have been a much better solution than Ares I if not arguably the best overall solution for the CLV given the launch assets which existed when the VSE was authorized.
The better answer is institutional culture and political patronage.
Is it ever too early to teach children about how flawed institutions create incentives for good people to make poor decisions?
"Son, remember what I told you about peer pressure? Well, a similar kind of this affects adults, too. Even rocket scientists."
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#233
by
robertross
on 22 Jan, 2011 00:27
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I'm am still trying to come up with a good answer for him.
Time & money.
If that were the problem, then DIVH would have been a much better solution than Ares I if not arguably the best overall solution for the CLV given the launch assets which existed when the VSE was authorized.
The better answer is institutional culture and political patronage.
Is it ever too early to teach children about how flawed institutions create incentives for good people to make poor decisions?
"Son, remember what I told you about peer pressure? Well, a similar kind of this affects adults, too. Even rocket scientists."
His children are 5, 4, and 2. Give them a break! It's hard enough just trying to explain WHAT 'time & money' represents
Better yet, just say "one day, hopefully"
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#234
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Lee Jay
on 22 Jan, 2011 00:44
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I'm am still trying to come up with a good answer for him.
"Because you're not grown up enough to be an astronaut yet."
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#235
by
david1971
on 22 Jan, 2011 03:06
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HA! Check out the "OH NO!" during ignition.
Video isn't available any more. Did anyone has copy?? PM me.
I was a little surprised that it was up for as long as it was. "Do we have to go back to work? Let's drink some wine!" I think the launch was awesome too, but if you are going to be ummm, less than tip-top professional, don't make a movie as you do it and then post it on YouTube...
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#236
by
Nittany Lion
on 22 Jan, 2011 03:28
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HA! Check out the "OH NO!" during ignition.
Video isn't available any more. Did anyone has copy?? PM me.
I was a little surprised that it was up for as long as it was. "Do we have to go back to work? Let's drink some wine!" I think the launch was awesome too, but if you are going to be ummm, less than tip-top professional, don't make a movie as you do it and then post it on YouTube...
Suggested title: "Grandma Valley Girls Go to Space Camp."
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#237
by
edkyle99
on 22 Jan, 2011 03:37
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Actual burning appears to be confined to intertank areas on each CBC. The tanks per se aren't burning. Looks like Delta IV needs to use different paint for that area.
The first vulnerability to this type of burning would, I suspect, be the integrity of electrical cables routed between the CBCs. I'm not sure where such connections are made. Remember, though, that this rocket was
designed to set itself on fire!
- Ed Kyle
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#238
by
kevin-rf
on 22 Jan, 2011 04:27
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HA! Check out the "OH NO!" during ignition.
Video isn't available any more. Did anyone has copy?? PM me.
I was a little surprised that it was up for as long as it was. "Do we have to go back to work? Let's drink some wine!" I think the launch was awesome too, but if you are going to be ummm, less than tip-top professional, don't make a movie as you do it and then post it on YouTube...
Considering the sensitive nature of the payload, my jaw dropped that someone would actually make a video like that. Much less post it. May not have been the actual control room and only an outside group that was monitoring the launch, but still they had insight ... I only hope someone doesn't get taken to woodshed too badly over it.
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#239
by
sdsds
on 22 Jan, 2011 07:56
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Actual burning appears to be confined to intertank areas on each CBC. The tanks per se aren't burning. Looks like Delta IV needs to use different paint for that area.
The first vulnerability to this type of burning would, I suspect, be the integrity of electrical cables routed between the CBCs. I'm not sure where such connections are made. Remember, though, that this rocket was designed to set itself on fire!
As always Ed's hyperbole is effective! To be persnickety, though, the vehicle is designed to tolerate being set on fire by the GH2 vented from its engines.
Setting itself on fire is not a design requirement!
EDIT: to offer congratulations to the Delta technical and engineering teams! Successfully launching the first ever heavy from the west coast shows how solidly they understand their vehicle and total launch system. Not to say Atlas is any less; just saying thanks to Delta for their competency today.
