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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #1101 on: 04/12/2011 03:48 am »
The midnight target for releasing the budget deal legislation may not be met:
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/155371-house-gop-grapples-with-its-transparency-oath-on-budget-deal

http://twitter.com/jamiedupree

If the midnight deadline isn't met, the voting in the House on the bill will be likely be delayed from Wednesday to Thursday.
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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #1102 on: 04/12/2011 06:29 am »
FY 2011 CR: Commerce, Justice, Science Summary
http://appropriations.senate.gov/

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National Aeronautics and Space Administration
• The National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) is funded at $18.5 billion, a reduction of $515 million from the FY 2011 request. This is $362 million more than H.R. 1.
• Preserves NASA portfolio balanced among science, aeronautics, technology and human space flight investments, holding NASA’s feet to the fire to build the Orion Multipurpose Crew Vehicle and the heavy lift Space Launch System.
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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #1103 on: 04/12/2011 06:34 am »
The text of the full-year FY2011 CR bill (NASA starts on page 214):
http://rules.house.gov/Media/file/PDF_112_1/Floor_Text/FINAL2011_xml.pdf

This is the provision in the bill (on page 214) that indicates that Shelby's Constellation language in the FY 2010 Appropriation bill no longer applies:
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14 (b) Notwithstanding sections 1104 and 1105, the
15 provisos under the heading ‘‘National Aeronautics and
16 Space Administration, Exploration’’ in division B of Pub
17 lic Law 111–117, as amended, shall not apply to funds
18 appropriated by this division.

NASA cuts are detailed on page 2 of this summary table:
http://republicans.appropriations.house.gov/_files/41211Finalprogramcuts.pdf
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NASA - Education
-$38 (compared to FY 2010)
$0 (compared to President's FY 2011 Request)

NASA - Cross Agency Support
-$83 (compared to FY 2010)
$4 (compared to President's FY 2011 Request)

NASA - Construction and Environmental Compliance
-$54 (compared to FY 2010)
-$3 (compared to President's FY 2011 Request)
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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #1104 on: 04/12/2011 06:52 am »
The text of the full-year FY2011 CR bill (NASA starts on page 214):
http://rules.house.gov/Media/file/PDF_112_1/Floor_Text/FINAL2011_xml.pdf
19 (c) Of the amounts appropriated by this division for
20 ‘‘National Aeronautics and Space Administration, Explo-
21 ration’’, not less than $1,200,000,000 shall be for the mul-
22 tipurpose crew vehicle to continue existing vehicle develop-
23 ment activities to meet the requirements described in
24 paragraph (a)(1) of section 303 of Public Law 111–267,
25 and not less than $1,800,000,000 shall be for the heavy
 1 lift launch vehicle system which shall have a lift capability
 2 not less than 130 tons and which shall have an upper
 3 stage and other core elements developed simultaneously.
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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #1105 on: 04/12/2011 09:43 am »
http://www.spacepolitics.com/2011/04/12/nasa-18-5-billion-in-full-year-cr/

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NASA would get just under $18.5 billion for 2011 in the final continuing resolution (CR) for the fiscal year released late Monday night by the House, containing just under $18.5 billion for NASA. A summary table of the bill versus 2010 and the 2011 president’s budget request (PBR) is below:
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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #1106 on: 04/12/2011 09:53 am »
http://www.spacepolitics.com/2011/04/12/nasa-18-5-billion-in-full-year-cr/

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NASA would get just under $18.5 billion for 2011 in the final continuing resolution (CR) for the fiscal year released late Monday night by the House, containing just under $18.5 billion for NASA. A summary table of the bill versus 2010 and the 2011 president’s budget request (PBR) is below:

I have added a column with a comparaison to the 2010 NASA Authorization bill.
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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #1107 on: 04/12/2011 10:06 am »
I don't know if I am calculating this right but because the amounts for SLS and MPCV were increased in the full-year FY2011 CR bill from the amounts in the 2010 NASA Authorization bill, commercial crew would be reduced on a prorata basis from $312M to $225M.

I arrive at that number by substracting the SLS and MPCV amounts from the exploration funds in the NASA Authorization bill and the full-year CR and then doing a prorata based on the numbers in the 2010 NASA Authorization bill on the remainder of the funds given the fact that no specific number is given for the other exploration items in the full-year CR.

In other words, here is how I calculate the pro-rata for commercial crew:
(3808.3-1200-1800) / (3868-1120-1631) =
808.3/1117 =
72.36%

72.36% x $312M = $225.8M for commercial crew.
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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #1108 on: 04/12/2011 11:25 am »
The midnight target for releasing the budget deal legislation may not be met:
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/155371-house-gop-grapples-with-its-transparency-oath-on-budget-deal
Close, but didn't quite make it.  Probably moves the floor debate and vote back in both chambers, but we'll have to wait and see.
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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #1109 on: 04/12/2011 12:31 pm »
http://spacenews.com/civil/110412-budget-compromise-includes-185-billion-for-nasa.html

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WASHINGTON -- The 2011 budget compromise Congress and the White House reached April 8 to avert a government shutdown includes $18.485 billion for NASA, or about 1.3 percent less than the $18.724 billion the U.S. space agency was given for 2010.

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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #1110 on: 04/12/2011 12:34 pm »
http://spacenews.com/civil/110412-budget-compromise-includes-185-billion-for-nasa.html

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WASHINGTON -- The 2011 budget compromise Congress and the White House reached April 8 to avert a government shutdown includes $18.485 billion for NASA, or about 1.3 percent less than the $18.724 billion the U.S. space agency was given for 2010.

Could have been a lot worse...
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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #1111 on: 04/12/2011 12:39 pm »
So, SOMD gets $600m below 2010, in spite of the high need for STS-135 (will create risk to ISS).

ESMD (SLS and MPCV) gets a rise.

Technology Demonstration gets nothing, in spite of being an excellent way to utilise the ISS (will reduce return for investment on ISS).

Commercial crew gets only $225m, way off the $1b that NASA wanted (will create risk to ISS).

Bilateral activities with China are prohibited - in spite of them being in a position to contribute to the ISS, which could in turn build bridges between the US and China on Earth (will reduce return for investment on ISS).


All I see is a complete waste of capability in utilising the ISS, and more of the same when it comes to the future (chemical rockets, no money for BEO systems).

Brilliant budget! :-\
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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #1112 on: 04/12/2011 12:45 pm »
So, SOMD gets $600m below 2010, in spite of the high need for STS-135 (will create risk to ISS).
Remember, we're talking fiscal years -- STS-135 wasn't addressed in FY 2010, where Shuttle Operations were funded at much closer to "full" operations + production capacity.  SOMD is getting more money than the President's original FY 2011 request, and Shuttle production is mothballed.

This isn't a threat to flying STS-135.
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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #1113 on: 04/12/2011 01:13 pm »
So, SOMD gets $600m below 2010, in spite of the high need for STS-135 (will create risk to ISS).

ESMD (SLS and MPCV) gets a rise.

Technology Demonstration gets nothing, in spite of being an excellent way to utilise the ISS (will reduce return for investment on ISS).

Commercial crew gets only $225m, way off the $1b that NASA wanted (will create risk to ISS).

Bilateral activities with China are prohibited - in spite of them being in a position to contribute to the ISS, which could in turn build bridges between the US and China on Earth (will reduce return for investment on ISS).


All I see is a complete waste of capability in utilising the ISS, and more of the same when it comes to the future (chemical rockets, no money for BEO systems).

Brilliant budget! :-\

First of all, I in no way want to see any cooperation with China, the benefits are low and the price is high.... and will leave it there.

We knew that budget cuts were coming, and were fortunate to get what we did. The best thing to do right now is to get inventive and learn how to support multiple programs within the framework that might have been underfunded,for instance using infrastructure and skill-sets that will be developed for SLS/MPCV to assist CCDEv rather than simply provide fiscal help.  AS for Technology development, with SLS/MPCV/CCDEV the timing just might not be right for it to start in earnest right now, but I am sure some work will be done as it was now.

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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #1114 on: 04/12/2011 01:42 pm »
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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #1115 on: 04/12/2011 01:50 pm »
Text of the just-passed CR:

http://rules.house.gov/Media/file/Senate%20Amnt%201363.pdf

Just to clarify, the deadline of the short term CR is Thursday night (at midnight). The short term CR says that it expires on April 15th but that means that the CR expires when April 15 starts.  In other words, both the House and Senate will have to pass the full-year CR on Thursday.
The wording of Section 106 does sound more like "to" than "through," but it hasn't changed, other than the date.  If they're retaining the convention of the previous CRs, then the current CR runs through the 15th, as the last one ran through the 8th, and so on.
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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #1116 on: 04/12/2011 02:03 pm »
Text of the just-passed CR:

http://rules.house.gov/Media/file/Senate%20Amnt%201363.pdf

Just to clarify, the deadline of the short term CR is Thursday night (at midnight). The short term CR says that it expires on April 15th but that means that the CR expires when April 15 starts.  In other words, both the House and Senate will have to pass the full-year CR on Thursday.
The wording of Section 106 does sound more like "to" than "through," but it hasn't changed, other than the date.  If they're retaining the convention of the previous CRs, then the current CR runs through the 15th, as the last one ran through the 8th, and so on.

You are right again... The deadline is indeed Friday at midnight. But it seems that other people were also confused:
http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/04/12/short-term-cr-details-emerge-ahead-long-term-vote#
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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #1117 on: 04/12/2011 02:06 pm »
But it seems that other people were also confused:
http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/04/12/short-term-cr-details-emerge-ahead-long-term-vote#
As an example, Mr. Reid's remarks in the Senate last Friday night did seem to say different things.  He did first say 'through Thursday' when referring to the current CR (on S2340 of the Congressional Record), but then of course the text says differently and in his motion he said it was a '7-day continuing resolution.'  (That's on S2341.)

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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #1118 on: 04/12/2011 02:10 pm »
But it seems that other people were also confused:
http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/04/12/short-term-cr-details-emerge-ahead-long-term-vote#
As an example, Mr. Reid's remarks in the Senate last Friday night did seem to say different things.  He did first say 'through Thursday' when referring to the current CR (on S2340 of the Congressional Record), but then of course the text says differently and in his motion he said it was a '7-day continuing resolution.'  (That's on S2341.)

That's why it's better relying on primary sources than on secondary sources (unless Philipp is you secondary source...).

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Re: NASA FY 2011 Appropriations - preview
« Reply #1119 on: 04/12/2011 02:12 pm »
But it seems that other people were also confused:
http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/04/12/short-term-cr-details-emerge-ahead-long-term-vote#
As an example, Mr. Reid's remarks in the Senate last Friday night did seem to say different things.  He did first say 'through Thursday' when referring to the current CR (on S2340 of the Congressional Record), but then of course the text says differently and in his motion he said it was a '7-day continuing resolution.'  (That's on S2341.)

That's why it's better relying on primary sources than on secondary sources (unless Philipp is you secondary source...).

Don't look at me -- I heard the Senator say all of that live Friday night and somehow that wasn't confusing at the time. :)

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