Quote from: ntrgc89 on 12/09/2010 08:34 pmAgreed. Another show of robustness would be loading the correct mass of propellant required, not percentage!most propellant systems on upperstages measure percentage
Agreed. Another show of robustness would be loading the correct mass of propellant required, not percentage!
Conclusion: The three reported constraints (A) 8 degree pitch, (B) 100 m/s underburn, (C) NW of Hawaii impact,can't all be right - pick at most two. The exact meaning of (A) is open to possible other interpretationsso I choose to discount it. This leads us to perigees in the -150 km (+/- 50 km) range and apogeesin the 165 km (+/-20 km) range.
Quote from: jcm on 12/17/2010 01:20 am Conclusion: The three reported constraints (A) 8 degree pitch, (B) 100 m/s underburn, (C) NW of Hawaii impact,can't all be right - pick at most two. The exact meaning of (A) is open to possible other interpretationsso I choose to discount it. This leads us to perigees in the -150 km (+/- 50 km) range and apogeesin the 165 km (+/-20 km) range. You got very close!Perigee = -154 kmApogee = 189 kmInclination = 64.8 deg.
Quote from: McDew on 12/17/2010 09:05 pmQuote from: jcm on 12/17/2010 01:20 am Conclusion: The three reported constraints (A) 8 degree pitch, (B) 100 m/s underburn, (C) NW of Hawaii impact,can't all be right - pick at most two. The exact meaning of (A) is open to possible other interpretationsso I choose to discount it. This leads us to perigees in the -150 km (+/- 50 km) range and apogeesin the 165 km (+/-20 km) range. You got very close!Perigee = -154 kmApogee = 189 kmInclination = 64.8 deg.Very interesting - care to give a hint as to the source of those numbers?(Russian data? US tracking? News report I missed?) Thanks, Jonathan
Quote from: Jim on 12/10/2010 10:39 amQuote from: ntrgc89 on 12/09/2010 08:34 pmAgreed. Another show of robustness would be loading the correct mass of propellant required, not percentage!most propellant systems on upperstages measure percentageIs that because most designers figure the additional weight of a mass measurement device isn't necessary when you can just measure percentage? Or is there some other reason?
(B) 100 m/s underburn
I can't figure out the 8 degree thing. - Jonathan
Quote from: jcm on 12/17/2010 01:20 am(B) 100 m/s underburn107 m/s.
The only caveat being that Stage 3 probably had some residual propellants, since AFAIK, Stage 3 does not burn to depletion. If Stage 3 HAD burned to depletion, the payload would probably had been injected into orbit.
Quote from: Danderman on 12/18/2010 07:08 pmThe only caveat being that Stage 3 probably had some residual propellants, since AFAIK, Stage 3 does not burn to depletion. If Stage 3 HAD burned to depletion, the payload would probably had been injected into orbit.It wouldn't burn to depletion if the target insertion is a stable orbit and it had performance reserve to do that in the nominal case. What makes you think it didn't burn to depletion trying to insert the stack into the desired orbit this time?