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#160
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ChrisGebhardt
on 17 Feb, 2011 20:36
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So what about the preference of flying STS135 later in the year. How likely is a move to August, and what would be the beta cut-out around then?
The "likelihood" is what it always has been. STS-135 is scheduled to launch NET 28 June 2011. The ISS program would like to fly the mission "as late as possible in the fiscal 2011 year to best meet the needs of the ISS." That is all we know.
Beta Cutout runs July 31 - August 15.
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#161
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PahTo
on 17 Feb, 2011 20:43
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Thanks Chris. To be sure, FY11 ends Sept 30, 2011?
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#162
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ChrisGebhardt
on 17 Feb, 2011 20:48
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Thanks Chris. To be sure, FY11 ends Sept 30, 2011?
Correct, sir.
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#163
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Orbiter
on 19 Mar, 2011 23:19
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Didn't want to mess up the processing thread, but how might a government shutdown effect the status of STS-135? If internal NASA projects aren't being funded by the government, how will STS-135 get any money?
Orbiter
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#164
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nathan.moeller
on 20 Mar, 2011 11:41
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Didn't want to mess up the processing thread, but how might a government shutdown effect the status of STS-135? If internal NASA projects aren't being funded by the government, how will STS-135 get any money?
Orbiter
I don't know if a government shutdown would affect shuttle operations, but from what I understand, if they don't allocate additional funds for STS-135, NASA would simply pull the money from other parts of their budget to fly it.
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#165
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Orbiter
on 20 Mar, 2011 14:07
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Didn't want to mess up the processing thread, but how might a government shutdown effect the status of STS-135? If internal NASA projects aren't being funded by the government, how will STS-135 get any money?
Orbiter
I don't know if a government shutdown would affect shuttle operations, but from what I understand, if they don't allocate additional funds for STS-135, NASA would simply pull the money from other parts of their budget to fly it.
But if the appropriations from the other parts of their budget doesn't come in because of a government shutdown - then what? I'm having trouble understanding the situation, economics is not my strong point.
Orbiter
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#166
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Danny Dot
on 20 Mar, 2011 15:45
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Will STS-135 have a LON behind it is case of TPS damage? My understanding is there are no ETs left.
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#167
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Jorge
on 20 Mar, 2011 15:47
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Will STS-135 have a LON behind it is case of TPS damage?
No, it will have a crew of four that will gradually go home on Soyuz if the orbiter cannot return.
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#168
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Lee Jay
on 20 Mar, 2011 16:01
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But if the appropriations from the other parts of their budget doesn't come in because of a government shutdown - then what? I'm having trouble understanding the situation, economics is not my strong point.
Orbiter
Perhaps the reason you aren't getting many answers is that the true answer is complex and probably largely unknown. Contractors may have contract money and other resources to keep going, and some NASA employees may even be considered "critical" and also keep going. But the numbers depend on the details of the situation. If it happened while the orbiter was in orbit, there's no way in the world that operations would shut down and strand those folks, but it's probably less clear as to what would happen if the launch had not yet occurred. I suspect that the closer it was to launch time the more likely the launch would happen, but it's just a guess.
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#169
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arkaska
on 20 Mar, 2011 16:30
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No, it will have a crew of four that will gradually go home on Soyuz if the orbiter cannot return.
Will the shuttle bring up seat-liners for Soyuz or will they come up in Progress if needed?
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#170
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Space Pete
on 20 Mar, 2011 17:08
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No, it will have a crew of four that will gradually go home on Soyuz if the orbiter cannot return.
Will the shuttle bring up seat-liners for Soyuz or will they come up in Progress if needed?
They will come up on the Shuttle, along with the crew's Sokol suits.
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#171
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Chris Bergin
on 21 Mar, 2011 02:57
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#172
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Zed_Noir
on 22 Mar, 2011 04:17
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No, it will have a crew of four that will gradually go home on Soyuz if the orbiter cannot return.
Will the shuttle bring up seat-liners for Soyuz or will they come up in Progress if needed?
They will come up on the Shuttle, along with the crew's Sokol suits.
What is the possibility of putting seats and life support in the Dragon COTS2 capsule to retrieve the stranded crew? I know it's extremely unlikely, just is it technically feasible?
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#173
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arkaska
on 22 Mar, 2011 08:02
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No, it will have a crew of four that will gradually go home on Soyuz if the orbiter cannot return.
Will the shuttle bring up seat-liners for Soyuz or will they come up in Progress if needed?
They will come up on the Shuttle, along with the crew's Sokol suits.
What is the possibility of putting seats and life support in the Dragon COTS2 capsule to retrieve the stranded crew? I know it's extremely unlikely, just is it technically feasible?
No there isn't any developed equipment that can be put in Dragon, and there are no seats etc.
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#174
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steveS
on 01 Apr, 2011 02:11
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#175
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Jim
on 01 Apr, 2011 11:41
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Didn't want to mess up the processing thread, but how might a government shutdown effect the status of STS-135? If internal NASA projects aren't being funded by the government, how will STS-135 get any money?
Orbiter
I don't know if a government shutdown would affect shuttle operations, but from what I understand, if they don't allocate additional funds for STS-135, NASA would simply pull the money from other parts of their budget to fly it.
No, a shutdown would make a cancellation almost a certainity
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#176
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ChrisGebhardt
on 01 Apr, 2011 12:46
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Didn't want to mess up the processing thread, but how might a government shutdown effect the status of STS-135? If internal NASA projects aren't being funded by the government, how will STS-135 get any money?
Orbiter
I don't know if a government shutdown would affect shuttle operations, but from what I understand, if they don't allocate additional funds for STS-135, NASA would simply pull the money from other parts of their budget to fly it.
No, a shutdown would make a cancellation almost a certainity
In what manner? STS-135 is mandated by law; NASA has committed to flying the mission and, as Orbiter states above, has stated that it will pull money from other areas to get the flight flown.
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#177
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psloss
on 01 Apr, 2011 12:59
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Didn't want to mess up the processing thread, but how might a government shutdown effect the status of STS-135? If internal NASA projects aren't being funded by the government, how will STS-135 get any money?
Orbiter
I don't know if a government shutdown would affect shuttle operations, but from what I understand, if they don't allocate additional funds for STS-135, NASA would simply pull the money from other parts of their budget to fly it.
No, a shutdown would make a cancellation almost a certainity
In what manner? STS-135 is mandated by law; NASA has committed to flying the mission and, as Orbiter states above, has stated that it will pull money from other areas to get the flight flown.
See recent discussion here:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=22991.0A shutdown is where there's no funding -- no appropriations, no CR. Only "essential services" are paid for during a shutdown and if it comes to that, we'll have to see what NASA HQ decides is essential.
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#178
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Chris Bergin
on 01 Apr, 2011 13:02
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#179
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ChrisGebhardt
on 01 Apr, 2011 13:09
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Or save yourself having to read though masses of pages of armchair politics and head right to the post that matters:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=22991.msg716698#msg716698
There we go. That's more along the lines of what I was thinking.
Thanks for the post Chris B. Sometimes these discussions get so long and contrived it's hard to keep track of everything.
