Author Topic: SpaceX Falcon 9 : Formosat-5 : SLC-4E Vandenberg : Aug 24, 2017 : DISCUSSION  (Read 216637 times)

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Iridium NEXT-2 article says:

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The next launch from Vandenberg is currently targeting 22 July with the Republic of China’s FORMOSAT-5 spacecraft

But is that just a previously announced NET for which we're awaiting confirmation?

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Updated it via the L2 schedules. August 24 NET. Former Iridium NEXT-3 slot - which is now in September.
« Last Edit: 06/27/2017 01:15 PM by Chris Bergin »

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FCC permit application for mission 1344, which I'm guessing is Formosat-5.
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This STA is necessary to authorize launch vehicle communications for SpaceX Mission 1344, a commercial launch from SLC-4E, Vandenberg Air Force Base.

First Stage Recovery permit application:
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This STA covers the experimental first-stage recovery operation, following a Falcon 9 launch from Vandenberg Air Force Base. This request is limited to the brief command uplink from an autonomous droneship to the launch vehicle after landing.
Ship Coordinates: North 31 39 58   West 121 39 43

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Why would they go for ASDS with such a light satellite (Formosat-5 is around half a ton)?
Are they going to include some other sats?

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Why would they go for ASDS with such a light satellite (Formosat-5 is around half a ton)?
Are they going to include some other sats?

Because I don't think Falcon 9 is certified to do RTLS flights in Vandenberg yet.
« Last Edit: 06/28/2017 06:37 PM by ZachS09 »
"Liftoff of Falcon 9: the world's first reflight of an orbital-class rocket."

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Is it possible that they can get certification by August/September?

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IIRC, it has to do with a possible failing RTLS aborting into the offshore Vandenberg State Marine Reserve .
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IIRC, it has to do with a possible failing RTLS aborting into the offshore Vandenberg State Marine Reserve .
Does that mean no RTLS ever? The marine reserve presumably isn't going anywhere.
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Several Taiwanese news sites recently posted similar articles about Formosat-5.  They list the launch date as August 25, but I don't know if that is just the UTC time for a late launch on August 24 local time.  I won't make a change on the manifest until I get clarity on that issue.

[Taipei Times] First Taiwanese satellite to be launched Aug. 25
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The 450kg Formosat-5 is the first project in which the NSPO was fully responsible for all engineering, including payload, imaging sensors and ground control systems.

The Formosat-5 is to carry the first locally made optical remote sensing instrument equipped with the world’s first space-grade metal oxide semiconductor image sensor, which the organization developed in cooperation with the nation’s electronics and semiconductor industries.

The satellite cost about NT$5.65 billion (US$186 million) to make and is to embark on a five-year observation mission around the globe
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SpaceX is contractually required to pay 1.25 percent of the contract amount — about NT$700 million — for every month’s delay, Chang said, adding that the company is expected to pay 10 percent in compensation.

So 10% of US$23M contract would be about $2.3M penalty.

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I was trying to figure out the contract value... if 1.25% is 700M (or .7B) NT$ then isn't the contract about 56B NT$ ???

Google tells me that 1 New Taiwan Dollar equals 0.033 US Dollar ...  I get crazy numbers. but not 23M

Is it possible they have to pay 1.25% of the cost of satellite, not of the launch contract?
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I was trying to figure out the contract value... if 1.25% is 700M (or .7B) NT$ then isn't the contract about 56B NT$ ???

Google tells me that 1 New Taiwan Dollar equals 0.033 US Dollar ...  I get crazy numbers. but not 23M

Is it possible they have to pay 1.25% of the cost of satellite, not of the launch contract?

The way I interpreted it to get sensible numbers is 700M NT$ was the total contract value. Wasn't this a Falcon 1 contract?

Also for the date issue, it's probably August 25th in Taiwan when it launches.

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Launch time: 02:50(GMT +8?) Aug 25
http://paper.wenweipo.com/2017/06/30/TW1706300002.htm

EDIT: And Formosat-5 will ship to Vandenberg on July 19
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Launch time: 02:50(GMT +8) Aug 25
http://paper.wenweipo.com/2017/06/30/TW1706300002.htm

EDIT: And Formosat-5 will ship to Vandenberg on July 19

That's 18:50 UTC/11:50 am Pacific August 24.  ;)
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First post, and yes I'm from Taiwan :)

This is Taiwan NSPO official PR annoucement:
https://www.nspo.narl.org.tw/tw2015/info/news.shtml?id=000592&hid=KBW3xMJZ8r

Launch timing as Aug25 02:50 UTC+8 (Taiwan Time).
Therefore, Aug24 18:50 UTC.

Launch profile:

Source: https://www.nspo.narl.org.tw/tw2015/projects/FORMOSAT-5/launch-vehicle.html


Let me know if you need to know more :)
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My space OCD is going nuts, they show F9 1.0 pics, then pics of LC-40, even though they're launching on a F9 FT/B4 from Vandy

It's like "Space X"  ;)

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My space OCD is going nuts, they show F9 1.0 pics, then pics of LC-40, even though they're launching on a F9 FT/B4 from Vandy

It's like "Space X"  ;)

Its worse than that, other than the two "liftoff" photos which are Falcon 9 1.0, the other images are from the Falcon 1 days, and originally represented as such.
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Online IanThePineapple

My space OCD is going nuts, they show F9 1.0 pics, then pics of LC-40, even though they're launching on a F9 FT/B4 from Vandy

It's like "Space X"  ;)

Its worse than that, other than the two "liftoff" photos which are Falcon 9 1.0, the other images are from the Falcon 1 days, and originally represented as such.

Oh, I thought those were just poorly-made pics of a Falcon 9.

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If titusou's "launch profile" is correct, then the ASDS would have to be further south. That's because the MECO time is listed as T+2:32.

Previous Falcon 9 v1.2 launches from Vandenberg, that ended up on the drone ship, shut down the booster at T+2:24.
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If titusou's "launch profile" is correct, then the ASDS would have to be further south. That's because the MECO time is listed as T+2:32.

Previous Falcon 9 v1.2 launches from Vandenberg, that ended up on the drone ship, shut down the booster at T+2:24.

FORMOSAT 5 is listed as only massing 525 kg, less than 1/10th of the 10x Iridium Next satellites + payload dispenser.  I suspect (don't know--NSF experts, correct me if I'm wrong) that could change the launch timeline and trajectory of the first stage, both for boost to MECO and barge recovery.

I suppose we'll learn more on these matters when the Notices to Airmen and Mariners are released.
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