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Re: LIVE: Falcon 9 Flight 1 Maiden Flight - June 4, 2010
« Reply #800 on: 06/04/2010 08:41 pm »
June 4, 2010

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RELEASE: 10-132

NASA ADMINISTRATOR'S STATEMENT ON FIRST FALCON 9 LAUNCH

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. -- The following is a statement by NASA
Administrator Charles Bolden regarding Friday's launch of Space
Exploration Technologies' Falcon 9 rocket.

"Congratulations to Space X on today's launch of its Falcon 9 launch
vehicle. Space X's accomplishment is an important milestone in the
commercial transportation effort and puts the company a step closer
to providing cargo services to the International Space Station.
"Preparations are proceeding for the first NASA-sponsored test launch
under the Commercial Orbital Transportation Services project
later this year. COTS is a vital development and demonstration
partnership to create a commercial space transportation system
capable of providing cargo to the station. "This launch of the Falcon
9 gives us even more confidence that a resupply vehicle will be
available after the space shuttle fleet is retired."

For more information about COTS, visit:


http://www.nasa.gov/offices/c3po/about/c3po.html   

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Re: LIVE: Falcon 9 Flight 1 Maiden Flight - June 4, 2010
« Reply #801 on: 06/04/2010 08:41 pm »
Orbital info:

Nominal shutdown and orbit was almost exactly 250km.  Telemetry showed essentially a bullseye: ~0.2% on perigee and ~1% on apogee.
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Re: LIVE: Falcon 9 Flight 1 Maiden Flight - June 4, 2010
« Reply #802 on: 06/04/2010 08:42 pm »
1% and 0.2% of 250 km means +2.5 km and +/-0.5 km.  To those on here who know the numbers, how does this compare to other launch vehicles like Delta II, Atlas V, and Delta IV?  How much delta-V would it take to correct that?  (If I were home I could open an old textbook and do the calculation, but I am not.)

Edit: 34.5 deg inclination  Darn!  I am too far north to see it passing overhead.

These are the expected accuracy numbers from the F9 User Guide:

Low Earth Orbit
• Perigee ±10 km
• Apogee ±10 km
• Inclination ±0.1 deg
• Right Ascension of Ascending Node ±0.15 deg

With the caveat "Until verified by actual operations, SpaceX expects to achieve the following minimum target orbital insertion accuracy"

Not bad, especially when you consider that they probably didn't know exactly how much of a shutdown transient kick MVac would give.

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Re: LIVE: Falcon 9 Flight 1 Maiden Flight - June 4, 2010
« Reply #803 on: 06/04/2010 08:44 pm »
amazing first flight and a real relief for spaceflight fans

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Re: LIVE: Falcon 9 Flight 1 Maiden Flight - June 4, 2010
« Reply #804 on: 06/04/2010 08:45 pm »
May-be this GUY has a rocket and a spacecraft to keep the US in space?

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Re: LIVE: Falcon 9 Flight 1 Maiden Flight - June 4, 2010
« Reply #805 on: 06/04/2010 08:45 pm »
What we've seen in the past from SpaceX: a conservative pad abort system, some timing issues, and some control instability. 

I think that today SpaceX delivered exactly what we should have expected from them given their past performance and the learning curve.  I figure if they could get a launch commit at all, then it should head uphill pretty good, but probably not with impeccable form.  That's what we got today.

Now they just have to look at the telemetry data and make some refinements to get a better correlation between simulation and reality.  It seems like they're in really good shape for that.  It seems like they have a solid foundation of design and operations for demonstrating a high level of reliability.

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Re: LIVE: Falcon 9 Flight 1 Maiden Flight - June 4, 2010
« Reply #806 on: 06/04/2010 08:45 pm »
June 4, 2010

RELEASE- 0-H GR34T

Washington, D.C. -

U.S. Senator Richard Shelby (R-Ala.), in a response to a recent successful SpaceX Falcon 9 released the following full statement "oh, damnit".

( j/k )
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Re: LIVE: Falcon 9 Flight 1 Maiden Flight - June 4, 2010
« Reply #807 on: 06/04/2010 08:46 pm »
I volunteer Sen. Shelby for the first manned Dragon flight using an F1 core ;)
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Re: LIVE: Falcon 9 Flight 1 Maiden Flight - June 4, 2010
« Reply #808 on: 06/04/2010 08:46 pm »
WTG and Congratulations to SpaceX.   Now I  have to read 54 pages of NSF to see what I missed while at work.

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Re: LIVE: Falcon 9 Flight 1 Maiden Flight - June 4, 2010
« Reply #809 on: 06/04/2010 08:48 pm »
1% and 0.2% of 250 km means +2.5 km and +/-0.5 km.  To those on here who know the numbers, how does this compare to other launch vehicles like Delta II, Atlas V, and Delta IV?  How much delta-V would it take to correct that?  (If I were home I could open an old textbook and do the calculation, but I am not.)

Edit: 34.5 deg inclination  Darn!  I am too far north to see it passing overhead.

These are the expected accuracy numbers from the F9 User Guide:

Low Earth Orbit
• Perigee ±10 km
• Apogee ±10 km
• Inclination ±0.1 deg
• Right Ascension of Ascending Node ±0.15 deg

With the caveat "Until verified by actual operations, SpaceX expects to achieve the following minimum target orbital insertion accuracy"

Not bad, especially when you consider that they probably didn't know exactly how much of a shutdown transient kick MVac would give.
Also shows it's reasonably robust, since it was able to hit this target with a (perhaps unplanned) roll.


Actually, we don't necessarily know for sure if this roll was planned or not, do we? (I doubt it was planned, but I am not at all a launch vehicle expert!)
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Re: LIVE: Falcon 9 Flight 1 Maiden Flight - June 4, 2010
« Reply #810 on: 06/04/2010 08:51 pm »
Wow, that didnt take long at all:

http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/06/04/congressional-reaction-to-falcon-9-launch/

Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX), ranking member of the Senate Commerce Committee, released a brief statement about the launch that might best be catagorized as “damned with faint praise”:

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    This first successful test flight of SpaceX’s Falcon 9 rocket is a belated sign that efforts to develop modest commercial space cargo capabilities are showing some promising signs. While this test flight was important, the program to demonstrate commercial cargo and crew transport capabilities, which I support, was intended to enhance not replace NASA’s own proven abilities to deliver critical cargo and humans to low Earth orbit. Make no mistake, even this modest success is more than a year behind schedule, and the project deadlines of other private space companies continue to slip as well. This test does not change the fact that commercial space programs are not ready to close the gap in human spaceflight if the space shuttle is retired this year with no proven replacement capability and the Constellation program is simultaneously cancelled as the President proposes.

Rep. Suzanne Kosmas (D-FL), whose district includes KSC, released this statement (not yet on her web site):

 
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       The successful test launch of SpaceX’s Falcon 9 rocket is a significant step in the development of the commercial space industry. There is no doubt that commercial spaceflight will play an important role in the future of our efforts in space, and I believe private companies can bring new job opportunities for the Space Coast’s highly-skilled workforce. But we must both support the emerging commercial space industry and ensure a robust, NASA-led human spaceflight program in order to maintain our international leadership in space and keep our economy strong. I will continue fighting at every opportunity to minimize the human spaceflight gap, protect jobs, and ensure a bright future for the Space Coast.


Im sure they both had two versions prepared. I would love to see the other versions.
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Re: LIVE: Falcon 9 Flight 1 Maiden Flight - June 4, 2010
« Reply #811 on: 06/04/2010 08:53 pm »
As Jim said- the roll right at liftoff really caught my attention as well- for a moment I thought they were losing it. It'll be intresting to see if that was planned or not.

There are a lot of aspects yet to be learned about this flight. I hope that SpaceX is good about releasing details about what they have learned today. This vehicle made me think of a combination between the Titan II and the Saturn IB. Could become a real workhorse.

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Re: LIVE: Falcon 9 Flight 1 Maiden Flight - June 4, 2010
« Reply #812 on: 06/04/2010 08:55 pm »
Falcon 9 Maiden Voyage to Orbit:



Will have the downloadable video up shortly.

Very nice video (not choppy like the other ones). It stops at the end unlike the other ones.
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Re: LIVE: Falcon 9 Flight 1 Maiden Flight - June 4, 2010
« Reply #813 on: 06/04/2010 08:57 pm »
The pieces of information I can't wait to see.

-How will this effect the Fy2011 debate, I honestly don't think it will change any minds.

I agree, but at least this launch doesn't give the opposition any new ammunition and it gives SpaceX and commercial one hell of a boost.  They can't call it a paper rocket anymore.

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Re: LIVE: Falcon 9 Flight 1 Maiden Flight - June 4, 2010
« Reply #814 on: 06/04/2010 08:58 pm »
There's a telecon with Elon coming up at the top of the hour.

I assume http://twitter.com/jeff_foust will be taking notes.

If someone wants the dail in number to listen in, PM me.
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Re: LIVE: Falcon 9 Flight 1 Maiden Flight - June 4, 2010
« Reply #815 on: 06/04/2010 09:00 pm »
There are a lot of aspects yet to be learned about this flight. I hope that SpaceX is good about releasing details about what they have learned today. This vehicle made me think of a combination between the Titan II and the Saturn IB. Could become a real workhorse.

Funny you should mention Saturn IB and Titan.  To the best of my knowledge, today's Falcon 9 No. 1 produced more thrust at liftoff than any U.S. all-liquid kerosene-fueled rocket since Saturn IB SA-210 carried the Apollo Soyuz Test Project into orbit on July 17, 1975.  Merlin Vacuum performed the first U.S. turbopump-fed kerosene engine air-start since the last Titan I ICBM flew in 1965.

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Re: LIVE: Falcon 9 Flight 1 Maiden Flight - June 4, 2010
« Reply #816 on: 06/04/2010 09:03 pm »
In Tweeter, NASA Watch informs that the first stage hit the water pretty hard,.....http://nasawatch.com/archives/2010/06/falcon-9-nails.html

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Re: LIVE: Falcon 9 Flight 1 Maiden Flight - June 4, 2010
« Reply #817 on: 06/04/2010 09:06 pm »
First elset arrived, and the orbit is:

i = 34.50°
Hp = 236.6 km
Ha = 273.3 km
P = 89.47 min

Congratulations to Elon Musk and SpaceX!
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Re: LIVE: Falcon 9 Flight 1 Maiden Flight - June 4, 2010
« Reply #818 on: 06/04/2010 09:10 pm »
Both NSS and SFF have press releases up on their sites now.. and I have been covering it on Samizdata.

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Re: LIVE: Falcon 9 Flight 1 Maiden Flight - June 4, 2010
« Reply #819 on: 06/04/2010 09:11 pm »
In Tweeter, NASA Watch informs that the first stage hit the water pretty hard, http://nasawatch.com/archives/2010/06/falcon-9-nails.html

Dang. Oh well, still the most important thing is the successful orbit! I hope they solve the issue on Flight 2 (I'm sure they have lots of info on what went wrong with the parachutes or whatever)

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