Author Topic: LIVE: Dnepr launch - Prisma (Mango+Tango) and Picard - June 15, 2010  (Read 49677 times)

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There's a new interesting article about one of Prisma's technology demonstration objectives (a safer-to-handle RCS thruster with non-hydrazine monopropellants) in ESA's website:

http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMPJQ9KF6G_index_0.html

so I thought I would start a thread about this launch with still TBD launch date (probably waiting on Cryosat 2's launch?)

Some background on Picard:

http://smsc.cnes.fr/PICARD/

and more about Prisma:

http://www.ssc.se/?id=7611
« Last Edit: 06/15/2010 03:22 am by Chris Bergin »
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probably waiting on Cryosat 2's launch?

No, Russia is waiting permission from Kazakhstan for using its territory for a falling of the first stage of Dnepr rocket.

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Re: Dnepr launch - Prisma (Mango+Tango) and Picard - May TBD
« Reply #2 on: 04/01/2010 02:27 pm »
Prisma is also waiting for permission before it can be transported to Russia. It was supposed to leave Sweden on the 17th but its still in Sweden since it hasn't obtained permission get.

Is it a done deal that it won't launch in April? A few weeks ago they talked about pushing it from the 6th to 13th of April. I guess they can't make April 13th since the satellite hasn't arrived at the launch site yet.

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Re: Dnepr launch - Prisma (Mango+Tango) and Picard - May TBD
« Reply #3 on: 04/02/2010 06:18 am »
Prisma is also waiting for permission before it can be transported to Russia. It was supposed to leave Sweden on the 17th but its still in Sweden since it hasn't obtained permission get.

Is it a done deal that it won't launch in April? A few weeks ago they talked about pushing it from the 6th to 13th of April. I guess they can't make April 13th since the satellite hasn't arrived at the launch site yet.

Accoding to this link; http://www.ssc.se/?id=5104&cid=16050&DivId=&Year=2010 new launch date will be set in April. So, it cannot be in April due to logistics reasons.

You mentioned about permission. Is it a permission from Swedish Government or are you talking about drop zone permission from Kazakhstan?

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Re: Dnepr launch - Prisma (Mango+Tango) and Picard - May TBD
« Reply #4 on: 04/02/2010 08:19 am »

You mentioned about permission. Is it a permission from Swedish Government or are you talking about drop zone permission from Kazakhstan?

It's a permission on the Russian side. I don't now if it's customs permission or if it's launch permission. But it causes delays for shipping of the satellite to Russia.
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Re: Dnepr launch - Prisma (Mango+Tango) and Picard - May TBD
« Reply #5 on: 05/12/2010 02:19 pm »
The Prisma satellite is still in Sweden and there is still no decision on when a launch can take place.

Here are a photo of Prisma Mango the larger of the two satellites ready for shipping to Rusia and also a photo of the new Prisma MCC that's being set up.

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http://www.kosmotras.ru/news/84/

The permission from Kazakhstan for this launch was gotten on April 7. Prisma and Picard satellites will arrive to Dombarovskiy cosmodrome on May 19 and May 21 respectively. The launch is planned on June 15.
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That really but good news. On the official Prisma blog they wrote just a few days ago that they are still waiting for a decision when to ship the satellite
« Last Edit: 05/13/2010 09:06 pm by arkaska »

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Since there are problems with both the Yasny and Baikonur Cosmodromes, I wonder if there is some other place to launch Dneprs from that wouldn't cause so many problems, but be reasonably cheap.

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Prisma has left Sweden and are on it's way to the launch site.

http://www.rymdbolaget.se/?id=5104&cid=16463

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Both the Prisma and Picard satellites have arrived in the white room in Yasny.

First photo shows the Prisma satellites in the canisters outside the white room. Second photo shows the Prisma satellites as they are being as they are being unpacked. Last one shows the Swedish (Prisma) and French (Picard) team in Yasny.
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Prisma has gone trough leak-checks and radio tests. Will start tanking next week before the last tests are preformed.

First photo shows the crew preparing for tanking.
Second photo is a close-up of Tango
Third photo is the Prisma satellites to the right (Tango top, Mango bottom) and Picard to the left.
Forth photo shows Tango hanging in the air.

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Prisma is now stacked underneath Picard in the Dnepr faring and the team is now finished with the satellites before launch.

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Apparently, there will be another experiment launched as part of this mission. BPA-1. (which roughly translates as "Block of Perspective Avionics-1")
It is permanently attached to the 3rd stage. This block is built by the Ukrainian company "Hartron-Arkos". Purpose: testing of navigation equipment for civil planes and spacecrafts.

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If someone can find a webcast link for this, we'll move it for live coverage.
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If someone can find a webcast link for this, we'll move it for live coverage.

This link http://www.prismasatellites.se/prismaenglish goes to SSC's Prisma page.  There are links to the upcoming webcast (in Swedish) along with an events page and Twitter feed.

Too much to hope the Bikini Team will be doing the commentary... :)
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Thanks Scotty. Moved for live coverage.
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"Dnepr is ready for launch today at 14:42:16 UTC"
from
http://twitter.com/Swedish_Space

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Launch should be retransmitted on this adress :

http://www.mativi-toulouse.fr/

(click on the upper right corner after 13h20 GMT).
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Beginning of the webcast !

Famous French journalist Alain Cirou is the commentator.

http://www.mativi-toulouse.fr/live/
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Sven Grahn making the comments in swedish.
« Last Edit: 06/15/2010 01:31 pm by Satori »

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Beginning of the webcast !

Famous French journalist Alain Cirou is the commentator.

http://www.mativi-toulouse.fr/live/

Great! Thanks for the link!

Any link for VLC?

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T-1h!

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Commentary from Yasni...

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About 18 minutes and some seconds left before launch.

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They are showing the initial orbits of the satellites, with a black dot shown in the country of Oman. This is the location of a tracking station that Kosmotras has set up, specifically to monitor the early phase of flight for Dnepr.

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My classroom French is being put to the test, but they are having a roundtable debate on PICARD. They are also talking about PRISMA, and funny how they note the "rendezvous and formation flying" in English.

Nice Ariane 5 model in the studio.
« Last Edit: 06/15/2010 02:28 pm by Chris Bergin »
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T-15m...

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Well, you can't really call 'rendez-vous' English now can you?

Edit: nevermind, Chris changed his comment. ;)
« Last Edit: 06/15/2010 02:30 pm by Spiff »
I always consider space to be the FIRST frontier.

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Well, you can't really call 'rendez-vous' English now can you?

Edit: nevermind, Chris changed his comment. ;)

I meant the entire phrase ;)
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Hmmm .. now its a French talk show.

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T-5m...

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yeah, I noticed the emphasis too late.

Meanwhile, lots of talking, not so many pictures. And my French is pretty 'merde'.
I always consider space to be the FIRST frontier.

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Live from Yasni

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Live from Yasni

where do you get this from? im still just seeing a french talk show

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They've got one of the Swedish controllers on the phone....who's speaking in English.
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Initiation of launch sequence confirmed.

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Liftoff!

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Launch via CGI graphics. No live cameras that I can see.
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Max-Q...

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2nd stage ignition confirmed.

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Telemetry now being received at Baikonur tracking facilities.

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Did anyone else noted the phrase "launch aborted"?

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The screen ticker alternates between reporting "OK" and "reporting anomaly aboard the rocket".  Hmm...
I'll even excitedly look forward to "flags and footprints" and suborbital missions. Just fly...somewhere.

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Shouldn't the fairing be separated by now?

Ah ok....they said upper fairing sep confirmed. 
« Last Edit: 06/15/2010 02:49 pm by Bubbinski »
I'll even excitedly look forward to "flags and footprints" and suborbital missions. Just fly...somewhere.

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349 seconds - third stage engine nominal.

Fairing jettisoned.

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Claiming it's nominal at 400 seconds.
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OK, what tracking facility is receiving this telemetry?

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At 500 seconds, the Oman tracking facility is picking up the signal.

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OK, what tracking facility is receiving this telemetry?


Oman?

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CGI stream switched between " launch aborted "  - "anomaly reported on vehicle" to " everything is nominal"  -
could it be that it is directly plugged into telemetry data, which might drop out / get some small interference now and then, and that this is directly reported to the streaming software?

What other reasons could there be for this weird switching? Everything is nominal as far as I can tell.

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OK, what tracking facility is receiving this telemetry?


Oman?

I was questioning the telemetry reception just before the rocket came into view of Oman.

BTW, attached is a photo of the Oman telemetry station.

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Everything reported nominal at 730 seconds
I always consider space to be the FIRST frontier.

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still nominal at 860 secs.

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OK at 850 seconds
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Prisma separation confirmed!
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Wow, a convoy of seps there!

Claiming success, nicely done.
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aand all seperations confirmed  - mission launch was a succes.

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Congrats to Cosmotras for a successful launch...

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Nice launch again. I like the eventful Dnepr launches with the silo launch, turning 3rd stage, and drop'em satellites. :)
Now with Soyuz TMA-19 tonight, that's 3 launches within 24 hours!
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Nice launch again. I like the eventful Dnepr launches with the silo launch, turning 3rd stage, and drop'em satellites. :)
Now with Soyuz TMA-19 tonight, that's 3 launches within 24 hours!

Indeed! the "backwards flying"  makes for some interesting moves.

I see we also got an article up for this launch:
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2010/06/dnepr-launch-with-swedish-and-french-satellites/

One thing; from the article:
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being expelled like a mortar round with a charge of black powder, before the main engine ignition some 30 m above the ground.

If I remember right the black powder has been replaced by pressurized gas or atleast a gas explosion? I cant remember the source, perhaps the previous dnepr launch.

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I think theay are still using black powder, as mentioned in this reacent video from  TV Roskosomos at about 1:40:
("prachovoy akumulator" -> (black?) powder accumulator)
BTW:
2:00 -> the "mortar" after launch
2:30 -> the "rocket wheals" after launch
« Last Edit: 06/15/2010 03:37 pm by Martin.cz »

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thanks, after some googeling around I found this link:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/jonathanamos/2010/03/riding-the-strangest-rocket-in.shtml
with the quote:
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At launch, a black powder charge underneath the vehicle produces rapidly expanding gases that pop the Dnepr up out of the ground like a champagne cork.
I think this was the source of my misunderstanding; instead of a direct-contact explosion type its the gases generated by an explosion that push it out.
Also, thanks for the video!

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Does anyone recognize the tool(s) used by http://www.rymdkanalen.se/live for showing ground track (1) and animation of ascent (2)?

Cheers.

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I've seen some sites mentioning 'BPA-1' as another payload on this flight. Any idea what this might be? Just a dummy payload?

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Esrange and Swedish Space Corporation have contact with Prisma.
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I've seen some sites mentioning 'BPA-1' as another payload on this flight. Any idea what this might be? Just a dummy payload?

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=20881.msg604706#msg604706

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All rapports from Prisma is normal.
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Great news for SSC. They have been waiting for this moment for a long long time.

What about Picard? Any contact yet?

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Launch image from ISC Kosmotras

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Warning !! This picture shows the launch of CryoSat-2 !

This is picture n°75 in my gallery : http://www.kosmonavtika.com/lancements/2010/08042010/08042010photos.html
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So sad... Kosmotras marks a new example for really bad information management in some parts of space industry. Do they think people are so stupid everywhere that no one will recognize?

Thanks Nicolas for the hint.

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So sad... Kosmotras marks a new example for really bad information management in some parts of space industry. Do they think people are so stupid everywhere that no one will recognize?

Thanks Nicolas for the hint.

Thomas

Thomas, could you be more spesific?


Prisma launch video here; http://www.1tv.ru/news/techno/156176

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Warning !! This picture shows the launch of CryoSat-2 !

This is picture n°75 in my gallery : http://www.kosmonavtika.com/lancements/2010/08042010/08042010photos.html

Oh! Thanks for that Nicolas! probably it womt matter, but I'll send a note about that to Kosmotras. They shouldn't do this kind of bad info.

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CNES is showing a different launch photo received from Kosmotras there:

http://www.cnes.fr/imagezoom.php?location=public&file=p8589_a2fa690331f41617f30924ebd93bc436Dnepr-29Jun04.jpg&label=Successful+launch+of+the+converted+Dnepr+missile+Tuesday+15+June+from+Yasny%2C+Russia.+Credits%3A+Kosmotras.

The size of the shm imho fits better for prisma/picard related to the rocket body. For cryosat 2 a higher shm was used.

Thomas
« Last Edit: 06/18/2010 09:47 am by tonthomas »

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CNES is showing a different launch photo received from Kosmotras there:

Thomas

Checking the file name of the photo there is a date there '26Jun04'. This was the launch date of Demeter from Baykonur with Dnepr (4503341631). So, probably this wont also be the launch of Prisma and Picard!

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Maybe this is the only oficcial launch picture, but is a sequence :/
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Another launch video


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Maybe this is the only oficcial launch picture, but is a sequence :/


Your picture is named "lancement_demeter", which means "launch of Demeter" !  :D
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I think there is a chance that this picture (found on NKAUs website) is a real picture of this launch.

http://www.nkau.gov.ua/nsau/newsnsau.nsf/mainsubjectsU/3D8FEE31D212FFD6C2257743005533DB?openDocument&Lang=U
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I think there is a chance that this picture (found on NKAUs website) is a real picture of this launch.

http://www.nkau.gov.ua/nsau/newsnsau.nsf/mainsubjectsU/3D8FEE31D212FFD6C2257743005533DB?openDocument&Lang=U

No, I don´t think so. Shm too large. PRISMA/PICARD shm also is coloured green (see http://www.prismasatellites.se/?id=9005&cid=9005&date=2010-06). May be the launch of Cryosat 2 again with it´s larger, green and black coloured shm...

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Prisma Satellites: "Tango Separation Successful".
www.prismasatellites.se/target-separation.aspx

Swedish Space Corporation: "The Swedish Prisma satellites have separated".
www.ssc.se/?id=5104&cid=17201
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PRISMA: DLR experiment on autonomous satellite formation flight begins.

The primary objective of the Swedish satellite mission PRISMA is to demonstrate autonomous onboard control of satellite formation flying and close approach to other spacecraft. The German Aerospace Centre's (Deutsches Zentrum für Luft- und Raumfahrt; DLR) involvement in the project includes an innovative real-time navigation system that uses GPS measurements to present continuous, ultra-precise data on positions of the satellites and their relative separation. The first DLR experiment began on 29 September 2010, after the first project phase was completed. The primary feature is the commencement of autonomous formation flight.

"Autonomous formation flight will enable new scientific missions and autonomous rendezvous operations in the future. Rendezvous operations are a major prerequisite for orbital inspection and servicing missions," explains Professor Felix Huber, Director of DLR Space Operations and Astronaut Training.

Expertise sourced from Oberpfaffenhofen.

The two satellites, named Mango and Tango, were launched on 15 June 2010 and were initially mated together. After successful separation, they orbited Earth following closely linked paths, moving further apart and closer together. This gives the team of researchers the world's first system for testing different processes in autonomous formation flight and satellite rendezvous. The project uses a number of different measurement systems and a propulsion system that controls the path of the larger satellite Mango in relation to its smaller partner, Tango.

The GPS receiver used in the navigation system, developed by DLR's German Space Operations Center in Oberpfaffenhofen (GSOC), is barely the size of a credit card. GSOC also developed the entire Guidance, Navigation and Control System. Data from the Tango GPS receiver is sent to the main satellite, Mango. By comparing them with the GPS data from the receiver on Mango, the distance between the satellites can be determined to within 10 centimetres, in real time. Mango can use this information to control its path in relation to Tango with absolute precision, and autonomously follow a pre-set flight path.

As part of its ground segment role for the PRISMA mission, GSOC is responsible for precise orbit determination. This has an accuracy in the centimetre range, a prerequisite for setting and checking the other measurement systems.

PRISMA – a twin-pack around Earth.

The PRISMA mission was designed and implemented by the Swedish Space Corporation, SSC, which was responsible for developing and building the satellites, and is currently overseeing the project operation. Along with DLR, the French space agency, CNES, and the Danish Technical University are involved in the mission as international partners, with their formation flight sensor and approach navigation camera system.

The partners will test a number of different formation flight and rendezvous concepts using PRISMA over the next few weeks and months. When the first experiment is completed and evaluated, DLR will carry out further technology experiments in satellite guidance, navigation and control. The autonomous formation flight processes developed excel in their particularly high level of safety and minimal fuel consumption. Future radar satellites or missions to measure Earth's gravity field are just two examples of endeavours that could benefit from this work.

A further important step in the PRISMA mission will be when GSOC takes over operational control in spring 2011. Then, DLR will be engaged in key operations for both space and ground segments. A long-term objective of this involvement is to prepare and test rendezvous and docking manoeuvres that will be required for on-orbit servicing missions or, more generally, in space robotics.


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