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Offline Zapp

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Re: New Update Posted at Armadillo Aerospace
« Reply #100 on: 09/18/2010 06:40 am »
twitter: wikkit: Friday's launch video: My airflow string experiment failed, I'll use cotton strings next time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mD0obLCrR0&feature=youtu.be



"Friday's successful launch of the Armadillo Aerospace 'Mod' rocket flying just over 2000 feet, from a launch stand to the center of the pad.

These relatively low flights are for testing and verification of the flight controls under increased acceleration and higher wind speeds. This vehicle, or one like it, will be flying Commercial Reusable Suborbital Research (CRuSR) payloads for Nasa in the near future.

Watch it twice so you can see the landing gear extend!"

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Re: New Update Posted at Armadillo Aerospace
« Reply #101 on: 09/18/2010 06:58 am »
Excuse me but, I don't see where all of this is going. Spacex is already next year going to be delivering cargo to the ISS. Boeing's CST-100 is conceptually way ahead of this project and should be ready to put people in orbit around 2015. Virgin Galactic's Spaceship 2 is a much safer ride as far as passengers and is farther down the line than this. So where does this research fit in? I can see Lunar and possibly planetary lander possibilities but other than that? It seems their program needs more focus and direction as far as a ultimate destination. Sounds like they have corporate management problems and a need to communicate their ideas to the public better. As far as I can see they are in the same class as Copenhagen Suborbitals. Their launch was canceled by a hair dryer.

If they aren't launching a capsule on an expendable rocket, what's the point? Is that what you are saying?  ::)

If you *bothered* to do some research, you would know that orbital is a long-term goal of theirs. Once they gain confidence and experience with suborbital space hops, they have written about plans to put an expendable 2nd stage on top for orbital launches, and then take it from there.

But who needs low-cost RLVs, right?  ;D

EDIT: Now I remember you - you're the same guy who complained that 'Copenhagen' was not valuing human life enough... I should not have bothered.


One thing I see here is a potential lunar lander.

A suborbital VTOL RLV is pretty close to what you'd need for a lunar lander.

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Re: New Update Posted at Armadillo Aerospace
« Reply #102 on: 09/18/2010 07:38 am »
One thing I see here is a potential lunar lander.

A suborbital VTOL RLV is pretty close to what you'd need for a lunar lander.


Maybe NASA should run a competition to encourage that sort of development?  Oh wait...  ;)

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Re: New Update Posted at Armadillo Aerospace
« Reply #103 on: 09/18/2010 10:17 am »
What was that thing that flew by about 9-10 seconds into the video? Looked like a plastic bag of some sort.
« Last Edit: 09/18/2010 06:29 pm by swampcat »
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Re: New Update Posted at Armadillo Aerospace
« Reply #104 on: 09/18/2010 04:30 pm »
twitter: ID_AA_Carmack: We repeated the rocket flight this morning with the addition of having it land offset from the liftoff point and some other changes.

Like the new "Li'l Soyuz Jr." launch pad.  This is really getting fun to watch.
« Last Edit: 09/18/2010 05:41 pm by corrodedNut »

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Re: New Update Posted at Armadillo Aerospace
« Reply #105 on: 09/18/2010 06:49 pm »
twitter:
ArmadilloGadget: after 5 rocket racer runs we are about to pull out for a couple mod tests.

again?!!? they must have a bulk discount on lox...

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Re: New Update Posted at Armadillo Aerospace
« Reply #106 on: 09/18/2010 07:24 pm »
twitter:
ArmadilloGadget: after 5 rocket racer runs we are about to pull out for a couple mod tests.

again?!!? they must have a bulk discount on lox...
Isn't it great? One of the biggest costs of these flights is propellant!

But in bulk, LOX is cheaper than your fuel. And you can get a machine to make it yourself, if you really do a lot of launches and get sick of trucking LOX in.
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Re: New Update Posted at Armadillo Aerospace
« Reply #107 on: 09/19/2010 02:01 pm »
Armadillo (and Masten, etc) have a very important role. Have you noticed how SpaceX, while still cheaper in some respects than ULA, still are around the same order of magnitude in cost?

We still have a long way to go. Arguably, work like that which Armadillo is doing is more important than what SpaceX is doing. Armadillo is practicing reusing rockets over and over again, focusing on a quick turnaround concept of operations. We aren't going to get truly cheap and reliable access to space without that capability. We just aren't.

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Earth to LEO is not the only place that can use a reusable rocket, LEO to EML-1 could as well.  Within 5 years SpaceX (Dragon), Orbital (Cygnus) and Boeing (CST-100) will all have capsules that can deliver cargo and possibly people to LEO.  In newspaper interviews Bigelow has expressed a desire to place one of its modules at Earth-Moon Lagrange Point 1 (EML-1).  Consequently a way of getting from LEO to EML-1 will probably be needed.

There may be an opportunity for Armadillo and/or Masten to supply a chemical space tug to push the capsules from LEO to EML-1.

Delta-V LEO to EML-1 is 3.77 km/s with something like 0.126 km/s to rendezvous with a spacestation.
Delta-V Low Lunar Orbit to Moon's surface is about 1.87 km/s giving a return delta-V of about 3.74 km/s.
These figures are sufficiently close investigating questions about fuel tank size and the number of engines required for a tug to push a capsule may be worth while.

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Re: New Update Posted at Armadillo Aerospace
« Reply #108 on: 09/30/2010 08:06 pm »
NuSpace is blowin' id up



"Testing an aluminum 15-inch diameter tank to its bursting point, shot at 300fps. This one gives way at 460 PSI. The point of a test like this is to see if the test tank would meet our needs in terms of how much it weighs vs. how much pressure it can hold, and what margins we'd have to stay within to safely use it on an actual rocket."

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Re: New Update Posted at Armadillo Aerospace
« Reply #109 on: 10/04/2010 12:20 pm »
I was watching sportscenter this morning, and what did I see? An ad for BlackBerry? With some sort of strange, gnome-shaped hovering rocket?

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Re: New Update Posted at Armadillo Aerospace
« Reply #110 on: 10/08/2010 08:02 pm »
I was watching sportscenter this morning, and what did I see? An ad for BlackBerry? With some sort of strange, gnome-shaped hovering rocket?

Yup, it's Armadillo in a Blackberry commercial :)

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Re: New Update Posted at Armadillo Aerospace
« Reply #111 on: 10/13/2010 06:50 am »
I don't watch TV all that often, but had Top Gear on BBC-America, when that came on. I literally jumped out of my chair. For an odd moment I thought it was an Armadillo commercial. In a way, it was.
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Re: New Update Posted at Armadillo Aerospace
« Reply #112 on: 10/16/2010 05:43 am »
very small update on Armadillo plans.

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As part of its NASA-funded research, the firm plans to launch two flights this fall in Oklahoma and a third one later in New Mexico. Armadillo is aiming for an altitude of about 9 miles for the first two flights and 25 miles for the third.
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The team hopes to launch a manned flight to space by late 2012, said Plano resident and Armadillo co-founder Neil Milburn.

I had sort of expected their schedule to pick up a lot after the LLC completion, and the research grants.

« Last Edit: 10/16/2010 05:45 am by savuporo »
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Re: New Update Posted at Armadillo Aerospace
« Reply #113 on: 10/16/2010 06:01 am »
very small update on Armadillo plans.

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As part of its NASA-funded research, the firm plans to launch two flights this fall in Oklahoma and a third one later in New Mexico. Armadillo is aiming for an altitude of about 9 miles for the first two flights and 25 miles for the third.
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The team hopes to launch a manned flight to space by late 2012, said Plano resident and Armadillo co-founder Neil Milburn.

I had sort of expected their schedule to pick up a lot after the LLC completion, and the research grants.


Cool! 25 miles up is practically vacuum. If things work there at 25 miles, they'll most likely work at 100 miles up, too... as long as you have the performance to get there.
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Re: New Update Posted at Armadillo Aerospace
« Reply #114 on: 10/17/2010 04:59 pm »
Via hobbyspace and Ben Brockert comes this bit:

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More firing on the 4k alcohol engine, boy is that thing loud.

Hm .. where are they using that ? Rocket racer ?

Another tidbit, this SpaceAdventures video contains a shot of assembled cluster of 4 supermods standing in the hangar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2jLYa1Wfy8#t=2m00s

at 2:03 in the video. They havent flown that yet, have they ?
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Re: New Update Posted at Armadillo Aerospace
« Reply #115 on: 10/19/2010 04:34 am »
Via hobbyspace and Ben Brockert comes this bit:

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More firing on the 4k alcohol engine, boy is that thing loud.

Hm .. where are they using that ? Rocket racer ?

I was going to say it's for JSC's RR2 (48" quad) but that one is methane. So yeah, what's that one for? Ben around here?

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Re: New Update Posted at Armadillo Aerospace
« Reply #116 on: 10/19/2010 01:42 pm »
I'm also very curious to see what that cluster is for... the start of multi-stage runs?
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Re: New Update Posted at Armadillo Aerospace
« Reply #117 on: 10/19/2010 11:56 pm »
I'm also very curious to see what that cluster is for... the start of multi-stage runs?

I think that the cluster was a fitting check that they did a year or two ago. I am pretty sure that they have no such cluster bolted together at the moment.

The 4k lbf alcohol engine is most likely for their first suborbital vehicle. Now that they have seen what atmospheric forces do to their mod. They may be planning on building just a really big mod.

I have not done the math on it. They could be doing either a one ton mod or a 5 ton quad + capsule arrangement.

Either way is exciting stuff!

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Re: New Update Posted at Armadillo Aerospace
« Reply #118 on: 12/19/2010 02:57 pm »
New Armadillo video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCSy3WZUW3I&feature=youtu.be


"Testing a parachute deployment process by dropping a weight out of an airplane. As you can see there was excellent spatial coordination between the drop team and the recovery team"

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Re: New Update Posted at Armadillo Aerospace
« Reply #119 on: 12/19/2010 03:24 pm »
Wow, close call for the car :)
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