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Indian Human Spaceflight program
by
johnxx9
on 06 Dec, 2009 18:35
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#1
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Danderman
on 23 Dec, 2009 18:55
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#2
by
tonyq
on 05 Jan, 2010 12:31
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#3
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Danderman
on 05 Jan, 2010 16:09
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Four candidates for a Soyuz flight engineer position is pretty much normal.
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#4
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Patchouli
on 05 Jan, 2010 17:07
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http://rt.com/Top_News/2009-12-23/indian-manned-spacecraft-soyuz.html
"India’s future space program will rely on Russian technology to deliver a cosmonaut into orbit. The future manned spacecraft will be based on the Soyuz, and Russian specialists will help build it."
From what I been reading ISRO may actually designing two vehicles at the same time.
A three place 4 ton native Indian designed reentry vehicle which looks a lot like a smaller version of Dragon and a two place 3 ton Soyuz derived reentry vehicle.
Of course this the no OM configuration.
Add an OM the Soyuz derived could carry three and the larger 4ton capsule probable 4 or 5.
The Soyuz derived vehicle might serve the same purpose Gemini did in the Apollo program.
This is something NASA probably should have done with Orion.
Get something flying ASAP on the cheapest and safest EELV while Orion and Ares are being developed.
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#5
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tonyq
on 05 Jan, 2010 21:38
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Four candidates for a Soyuz flight engineer position is pretty much normal.
It has been mentioned before that flying one or two Indians on a dedicated, Russian launched, Soyuz, may be a stepping stone to an indigenous Indian manned flight. But this report doesn't mention anything about that Soyuz option, it only refers to two people flying on an Indian manned craft and two other astronauts being reserves. This seems to be a very small cohort for such a complex enterprise, although I'd agree that it fits the bill for the Soyuz option, which is partly why I'm sceptical about the credibility of this whole report.
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#6
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johnxx9
on 06 Jan, 2010 16:27
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Four candidates for a Soyuz flight engineer position is pretty much normal.
It has been mentioned before that flying one or two Indians on a dedicated, Russian launched, Soyuz, may be a stepping stone to an indigenous Indian manned flight. But this report doesn't mention anything about that Soyuz option, it only refers to two people flying on an Indian manned craft and two other astronauts being reserves. This seems to be a very small cohort for such a complex enterprise, although I'd agree that it fits the bill for the Soyuz option, which is partly why I'm sceptical about the credibility of this whole report.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/isro-iaf-spar-over-seats-on-indias-maiden/530468/The process of selecting candidates is moving. There was a l;ong debate between the air force and ISRO over who should be selected as candidates, pilots or scientists. But in the end the Air Force had it's way and fighter pilots will be commanding the indigenous crew vehicle.
As for the 2013 Soyuz flight, Russian cosmonaut will be the flight commander with 2 IAF (Indian Air Force) astronauts. By 2011 about 20 candidates will be finalized as astronauts.
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#7
by
tonyq
on 07 Jan, 2010 12:22
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Well, that seems to make a good deal more sense - a pilot group to do the flying, and 'scientists' (which presumably means engineers, design bureau people, maybe doctors etc.) to do the science. With a shorter lead in to the Soyuz warm-up flight, then they presumably need the pilots that much earlier, and can afford to wait a year or two to select the others.
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#8
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npuentes
on 08 Jan, 2010 12:04
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So, would this Soyuz go to the ISS or be a solo orbiting flight? If the latter, it would be possible, for a limited duration. This was last done on Soyuz 22 in 1976 (unless you include the failed docking at Salyut 6 by Soyuz 33 in 1979). Also, presumably this would be a 5th procured Soyuz for 2013, with the other 4 being used for regular ISS rotation. Note also that Space Adventures and ESA have been trying/considering (respectively) to get an additional Soyuz in 2013. If the Indian plan is real, I'm not sure where it would leave these other endeavors.
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#9
by
npuentes
on 12 Jan, 2010 12:01
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#10
by
johnxx9
on 27 Jan, 2010 16:55
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#11
by
johnxx9
on 08 Feb, 2010 10:14
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#12
by
johnxx9
on 25 Feb, 2010 14:47
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#13
by
cd-slam
on 25 Feb, 2010 15:01
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I hate to say it, but it seems that ISRO has mastered the art of the PowerPoint presentation. I really can't imagine the funding for an 84t launch vehicle being available in ISRO's budget any time soon (if at all).
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#14
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johnxx9
on 25 Feb, 2010 16:00
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But it's not going to happen anytime soon. The funding for LEO manned mission was just approved recently (2 billion USD). I would take up ISRO's schedule for the whole of this decade and half of next. So, expect almost nothing wrt manned lunar mission before circa 2020. I am pretty sure that India would have better financial status than Russia by that time.
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#15
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Bernie Roehl
on 25 Feb, 2010 16:48
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But it's not going to happen anytime soon. The funding for LEO manned mission was just approved recently (2 billion USD). I would take up ISRO's schedule for the whole of this decade and half of next. So, expect almost nothing wrt manned lunar mission before circa 2020. I am pretty sure that India would have better financial status than Russia by that time.
You may be right.
The thing for people to keep in mind is that there are three distinct parts to the recent announcements. To me, each has it's own "credibility ranking".
1) Do I believe that Vyomanauts will be in orbit by 2013, on a Russian Soyuz spacecraft? Yes, absolutely.
2) Do I believe that they will be in orbit by 2016, on an indigenous spacecraft and launch vehicle? Possibly.
3) Do I believe they will have launch vehicle that can put 84 mt in orbit, and Vyomanauts on the lunar surface by 2020? Probably not. However, at least they have a well-defined goal (which, sadly, the US space program currently does not).
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#16
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sanman
on 16 Mar, 2010 20:27
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I don't think India's UMLV rocket family will take shape until the 2020's.
Meanwhile, the first phase of India's human spaceflight program can be carried out comfortably with GSLV-type rockets.
But given that the UMLV architecture is based upon key components to be proven through GSLV-type rockets, it seems more like the transition from PSLV to GSLV-type is the bigger hurdle in comparison to transition from GSLV-type to UMLV.
Once GSLV Mk-III is proven, then the rest is just re-scaling and recombining. I think the key is in mastering the basic principles and technologies.
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#17
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Dmitry_V_home
on 19 May, 2010 16:09
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Probably, so will look Indian piloted LV GSLV MkII & MkIII. LV "Soyuz" it is shown for comparison. Picture from Novosti Kosmonavtiki magazine
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#18
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Space Pete
on 06 Sep, 2010 20:29
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#19
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simonbp
on 07 Sep, 2010 23:37
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Or, put another way, Boeing outsources parts of CST-100 development to India.
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#20
by
aquarius
on 08 Oct, 2010 19:46
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#21
by
Space Pete
on 09 Oct, 2010 20:11
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Indian Cosmonauts will not Fly in Russian Soyuz.Head of Roscosmos Human Spaceflight Directorate Alexey Krasnov told news media at Baikonur that India had given up their idea about flying two cosmonauts of this country in Russian Soyuz.
ISRO considered this approach as an intermediate step in the national human spaceflight program aimed at launching their cosmonauts in an Indian rocket in 2015.
Krasnov clarified that the Indians had been interested in a mission without docking to the International Space Station.
On the other hand, Krasnov noted, India is eager to maintain space cooperation with Russia, including human space missions, RIA Novosti informs.
www.roscosmos.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=10541&lang=en
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#22
by
manboy
on 08 Nov, 2010 23:19
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#23
by
pradeep
on 07 Mar, 2011 11:50
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At the recently concluded biennial event, Aero India 2011, the Deputy Director of the Indian Human Spaceflight Programme made a note of the Indian Human Spaceflight Programme -
YouTube video here -
There is not much technical information.
At a recently held public lecture by TIFR, the Director, Space Applications Centre, ISRO said that ISRO was now debating on the mode of implementation -
http://www.parallelspirals.in/2011/03/talk-by-r-navalgund/ - and this has led to the hold up in funding by the Govt. of India although it does see a significant increase in budgetary allocation this year.
Pradeep
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#24
by
Olaf
on 17 Apr, 2011 20:15
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#25
by
Lewis007
on 18 Apr, 2011 06:30
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This http://www.federalspace.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=11677 is contrary to earlier information.
The link refers to a news item of 2010; perhaps something went wrong...
On the English language version of the Roscosmos site, the following news showed up today:
India-Russia Space Mission May Occur in 2015
:: 18.04.2011
An Indian cosmonaut will first go on a Russian space mission in 2015, prior to the Indian manned mission in 2017, Alexey M Mzareulov, deputy consul-general of the Russian Federation, announced. He made the announcement at the 50th anniversary celebrations of the first human space flight by Yuri Gagarin, organized by the Russian Centre for Science & Culture, which saw many American diplomats.
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#26
by
aquarius
on 07 Jul, 2011 14:24
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#27
by
hektor
on 08 Jul, 2011 08:11
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I have the impression that Mr Radhakrishnan is much less enthusiastic about the whole thing than his predecessors.
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#28
by
Phillip Clark
on 09 Jul, 2011 07:58
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An Indian flying into orbit on a Soyuz. This sounds a bit familiar.
Oh yes, Soyuz-T 11 in April 1984!!!! Rakesh Sharma flew to Salyut 7.
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#29
by
Salo
on 10 Jul, 2011 11:52
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http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/india-to-join-international-space-station/204738India to join International Space Station
Published On: July 9, 2011 | Duration: 1 min, 25 sec
The ISRO has said that India has finally been invited to partner in the gigantic global effort - the International Space Station (ISS). In an exclusive interview to NDTV's Pallava Bagla, ISRO Chairman Dr K Radhakrishnan confirmed that India would initially be contributing instruments but, as of now, there were no plans to send Indians to the space station. India will be the sixth nation to join this 100 billion dollar effort.
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#30
by
clongton
on 10 Jul, 2011 14:08
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http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/india-to-join-international-space-station/204738[size=18]India to join International Space Station[/size]
Published On: July 9, 2011 | Duration: 1 min, 25 sec
The ISRO has said that India has finally been invited to partner in the gigantic global effort - the International Space Station (ISS). In an exclusive interview to NDTV's Pallava Bagla, ISRO Chairman Dr K Radhakrishnan confirmed that India would initially be contributing instruments but, as of now, there were no plans to send Indians to the space station. India will be the sixth nation to join this 100 billion dollar effort.
This is good news. It finalized, it would allow Indian crew to visit the ISS regardless of the LV country of origin.
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#31
by
JSz
on 10 Jul, 2011 18:21
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Is it an official message? I cannot find any information about it on NASA or ESA webpages.
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#32
by
Salo
on 10 Jul, 2011 20:23
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by
hop
on 10 Jul, 2011 20:26
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This is good news. It finalized, it would allow Indian crew to visit the ISS regardless of the LV country of origin.
The story specifically says they are considering instruments, not crew.
ISRO Chairman Dr K Radhakrishnan confirmed that India would initially be contributing instruments but, as of now, there were no plans to send Indians to the space station.
In any case, being a partner in ISS is not a requirement to send visiting crew members. Malyasia, South Korea and Brazil have all done this, no reason India couldn't as well. Even if India becomes a partner, it's not clear what they could barter that would warrant a long duration crew slot.
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#34
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simonbp
on 15 Jul, 2011 19:46
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Even if India becomes a partner, it's not clear what they could barter that would warrant a long duration crew slot.
Rupees.
Seriously, once Dragon, DreamChaser, etc are flying to ISS, there are going to be lots of visiting seats available. And all the US commercial companies are aiming to cheaper than Soyuz. If the Indians pay for a few crew taxi flights, that might be enough to get a long-duration slot.
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#35
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Phillip Clark
on 23 Jul, 2011 22:00
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Does anyone know if any of the PowerPoint presentations which have extracts posted here are around online somewhere, please?
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#36
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Danderman
on 24 Jul, 2011 04:42
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If the Indians pay
Yeah, right.
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#37
by
johnxx9
on 25 Jul, 2011 08:29
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#38
by
bolun
on 25 Apr, 2012 13:12
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Spaceflight stuck due to budget: CAG
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Spaceflight-stuck-due-to-budget-CAG/articleshow/12860797.cmsIndia's plans to send a human into outer space could not take off as budgeted funds remained unutilised due the failure of Department of Space (DoS) to secure necessary approvals for the ambitious project.
The Comptroller and Auditor General, in its report tabled in Parliament on Tuesday, also pointed out "unrealistic budgeting" by the Department of Space (DoS) as one of the reasons for the human spaceflight programme failing to get off ground.
"Due to unrealistic budgeting in the Department, a programme viz "Manned Mission Initiatives/Human Space Flight Programme" could not take off as the major portion of the budget allocation remained unutilised due to non-approval of the scheme," it said.
The CAG also said that the DoS had obtained budget provisions of Rs 20 crore and Rs 210 crore for the programme which was not approved by the competent authority in 2009-10.
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#39
by
Danderman
on 25 Apr, 2012 15:25
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Spaceflight stuck due to budget: CAG
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Spaceflight-stuck-due-to-budget-CAG/articleshow/12860797.cms
India's plans to send a human into outer space could not take off as budgeted funds remained unutilised due the failure of Department of Space (DoS) to secure necessary approvals for the ambitious project.
The Comptroller and Auditor General, in its report tabled in Parliament on Tuesday, also pointed out "unrealistic budgeting" by the Department of Space (DoS) as one of the reasons for the human spaceflight programme failing to get off ground.
"Due to unrealistic budgeting in the Department, a programme viz "Manned Mission Initiatives/Human Space Flight Programme" could not take off as the major portion of the budget allocation remained unutilised due to non-approval of the scheme," it said.
The CAG also said that the DoS had obtained budget provisions of Rs 20 crore and Rs 210 crore for the programme which was not approved by the competent authority in 2009-10.
It's dead, Jim.
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#40
by
savuporo
on 25 Apr, 2012 15:30
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"Due to unrealistic budgeting in the Department, a programme viz "Manned Mission Initiatives/Human Space Flight Programme" could not take off as the major portion of the budget allocation remained unutilised due to non-approval of the scheme," it said.
Heh. You can lowball your cost estimates and get a camels nose in the tent with Congress in US, that just doesn't fly over there, they have got their secret traders handshake
