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Indian Human Spaceflight program
by
johnxx9
on 06 Dec, 2009 18:35
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#1
by
Danderman
on 23 Dec, 2009 18:55
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#2
by
tonyq
on 05 Jan, 2010 12:31
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#3
by
Danderman
on 05 Jan, 2010 16:09
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Four candidates for a Soyuz flight engineer position is pretty much normal.
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#4
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Patchouli
on 05 Jan, 2010 17:07
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http://rt.com/Top_News/2009-12-23/indian-manned-spacecraft-soyuz.html
"India’s future space program will rely on Russian technology to deliver a cosmonaut into orbit. The future manned spacecraft will be based on the Soyuz, and Russian specialists will help build it."
From what I been reading ISRO may actually designing two vehicles at the same time.
A three place 4 ton native Indian designed reentry vehicle which looks a lot like a smaller version of Dragon and a two place 3 ton Soyuz derived reentry vehicle.
Of course this the no OM configuration.
Add an OM the Soyuz derived could carry three and the larger 4ton capsule probable 4 or 5.
The Soyuz derived vehicle might serve the same purpose Gemini did in the Apollo program.
This is something NASA probably should have done with Orion.
Get something flying ASAP on the cheapest and safest EELV while Orion and Ares are being developed.
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#5
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tonyq
on 05 Jan, 2010 21:38
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Four candidates for a Soyuz flight engineer position is pretty much normal.
It has been mentioned before that flying one or two Indians on a dedicated, Russian launched, Soyuz, may be a stepping stone to an indigenous Indian manned flight. But this report doesn't mention anything about that Soyuz option, it only refers to two people flying on an Indian manned craft and two other astronauts being reserves. This seems to be a very small cohort for such a complex enterprise, although I'd agree that it fits the bill for the Soyuz option, which is partly why I'm sceptical about the credibility of this whole report.
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#6
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johnxx9
on 06 Jan, 2010 16:27
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Four candidates for a Soyuz flight engineer position is pretty much normal.
It has been mentioned before that flying one or two Indians on a dedicated, Russian launched, Soyuz, may be a stepping stone to an indigenous Indian manned flight. But this report doesn't mention anything about that Soyuz option, it only refers to two people flying on an Indian manned craft and two other astronauts being reserves. This seems to be a very small cohort for such a complex enterprise, although I'd agree that it fits the bill for the Soyuz option, which is partly why I'm sceptical about the credibility of this whole report.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/isro-iaf-spar-over-seats-on-indias-maiden/530468/The process of selecting candidates is moving. There was a l;ong debate between the air force and ISRO over who should be selected as candidates, pilots or scientists. But in the end the Air Force had it's way and fighter pilots will be commanding the indigenous crew vehicle.
As for the 2013 Soyuz flight, Russian cosmonaut will be the flight commander with 2 IAF (Indian Air Force) astronauts. By 2011 about 20 candidates will be finalized as astronauts.
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#7
by
tonyq
on 07 Jan, 2010 12:22
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Well, that seems to make a good deal more sense - a pilot group to do the flying, and 'scientists' (which presumably means engineers, design bureau people, maybe doctors etc.) to do the science. With a shorter lead in to the Soyuz warm-up flight, then they presumably need the pilots that much earlier, and can afford to wait a year or two to select the others.
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#8
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npuentes
on 08 Jan, 2010 12:04
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So, would this Soyuz go to the ISS or be a solo orbiting flight? If the latter, it would be possible, for a limited duration. This was last done on Soyuz 22 in 1976 (unless you include the failed docking at Salyut 6 by Soyuz 33 in 1979). Also, presumably this would be a 5th procured Soyuz for 2013, with the other 4 being used for regular ISS rotation. Note also that Space Adventures and ESA have been trying/considering (respectively) to get an additional Soyuz in 2013. If the Indian plan is real, I'm not sure where it would leave these other endeavors.
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#9
by
npuentes
on 12 Jan, 2010 12:01
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#10
by
johnxx9
on 27 Jan, 2010 16:55
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#11
by
johnxx9
on 08 Feb, 2010 10:14
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#12
by
johnxx9
on 25 Feb, 2010 14:47
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#13
by
cd-slam
on 25 Feb, 2010 15:01
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I hate to say it, but it seems that ISRO has mastered the art of the PowerPoint presentation. I really can't imagine the funding for an 84t launch vehicle being available in ISRO's budget any time soon (if at all).
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#14
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johnxx9
on 25 Feb, 2010 16:00
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But it's not going to happen anytime soon. The funding for LEO manned mission was just approved recently (2 billion USD). I would take up ISRO's schedule for the whole of this decade and half of next. So, expect almost nothing wrt manned lunar mission before circa 2020. I am pretty sure that India would have better financial status than Russia by that time.
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#15
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Bernie Roehl
on 25 Feb, 2010 16:48
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But it's not going to happen anytime soon. The funding for LEO manned mission was just approved recently (2 billion USD). I would take up ISRO's schedule for the whole of this decade and half of next. So, expect almost nothing wrt manned lunar mission before circa 2020. I am pretty sure that India would have better financial status than Russia by that time.
You may be right.
The thing for people to keep in mind is that there are three distinct parts to the recent announcements. To me, each has it's own "credibility ranking".
1) Do I believe that Vyomanauts will be in orbit by 2013, on a Russian Soyuz spacecraft? Yes, absolutely.
2) Do I believe that they will be in orbit by 2016, on an indigenous spacecraft and launch vehicle? Possibly.
3) Do I believe they will have launch vehicle that can put 84 mt in orbit, and Vyomanauts on the lunar surface by 2020? Probably not. However, at least they have a well-defined goal (which, sadly, the US space program currently does not).
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#16
by
sanman
on 16 Mar, 2010 20:27
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I don't think India's UMLV rocket family will take shape until the 2020's.
Meanwhile, the first phase of India's human spaceflight program can be carried out comfortably with GSLV-type rockets.
But given that the UMLV architecture is based upon key components to be proven through GSLV-type rockets, it seems more like the transition from PSLV to GSLV-type is the bigger hurdle in comparison to transition from GSLV-type to UMLV.
Once GSLV Mk-III is proven, then the rest is just re-scaling and recombining. I think the key is in mastering the basic principles and technologies.
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#17
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Dmitry_V_home
on 19 May, 2010 16:09
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Probably, so will look Indian piloted LV GSLV MkII & MkIII. LV "Soyuz" it is shown for comparison. Picture from Novosti Kosmonavtiki magazine
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#18
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Space Pete
on 06 Sep, 2010 20:29
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#19
by
simonbp
on 07 Sep, 2010 23:37
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Or, put another way, Boeing outsources parts of CST-100 development to India.
