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#320 by Andy USA on 27 Nov, 2009 22:52
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And it is not through lack of interest. I'm looking after the site while Chris is out with his friends for his birthday and the top story about landing has been getting hit/read at an unbelievable pace, even now http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2009/11/flawless-atlantis-home-kennedy-space-center/. And that article isn't your average general public news story, you have to be reasonably interested in shuttle to hang around here.
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#321 by Retired Downrange on 27 Nov, 2009 23:23
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If you want a REAL "Laugh Out Loud"
I would HIGHLY recommend reading Wayne Hale's current blog:
http://blogs.nasa.gov/cm/blog/waynehalesblog
I have started a topic at:
Topic: Thanksgiving & Shuttle Potty...
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=19656.new#new
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#322 by ChrisGebhardt on 28 Nov, 2009 02:37
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I feel for the crew too, but one thing to remember here is that this is the day after a major holiday here in the U.S. While there were members of the member there for landing, you really can't blame us for not staying around for 6-hrs after landing for a press conference we are repeatedly told "COULD BE CANCELLED AT THE CREW'S WHIM WHENEVER THEY WISH."
But this is still a holiday weekend for many Americans and this is a holiday where A LOT of people go out of town to visit family. The fact that media where there is quite amazing! I agree, I would have liked to see more hardball questions, but this mission was so smooth and so amazing there really wasn't anything to ask the crew. -
#323 by drewsky208 on 28 Nov, 2009 02:47
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I didn't hear the sonic booms or much of the usual comms on the landing coverage. Was it talked over? The NASA TV commentator seems to have a rather individual way with words. Is there any coverage where the booms, usual comms etc are more apparent? Thanks
Heh, individual way with words is one way of putting it. I dont know what she is doing when she's on mic at PAO, but I cringe every time she is on-with her stumbling over words, and misquoting, you'd swear that her attention is in some far off place...like Neptune! On landing approach, she actually stated that the shuttle was at 6700 MILES altitude.
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#324 by TheFallen on 28 Nov, 2009 04:32
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I didn't hear the sonic booms or much of the usual comms on the landing coverage. Was it talked over? The NASA TV commentator seems to have a rather individual way with words. Is there any coverage where the booms, usual comms etc are more apparent? Thanks
Heh, individual way with words is one way of putting it. I dont know what she is doing when she's on mic at PAO, but I cringe every time she is on-with her stumbling over words, and misquoting, you'd swear that her attention is in some far off place...like Neptune! On landing approach, she actually stated that the shuttle was at 6700 MILES altitude.
Yes, the sonic boom was heard on NASA TV. No, the commentator didn't talk over it.I feel for the crew too, but one thing to remember here is that this is the day after a major holiday here in the U.S. While there were members of the member there for landing, you really can't blame us for not staying around for 6-hrs after landing for a press conference we are repeatedly told "COULD BE CANCELLED AT THE CREW'S WHIM WHENEVER THEY WISH."
But this is still a holiday weekend for many Americans and this is a holiday where A LOT of people go out of town to visit family. The fact that media where there is quite amazing! I agree, I would have liked to see more hardball questions, but this mission was so smooth and so amazing there really wasn't anything to ask the crew.
Exactly. It's a 4-day weekend for a lot of folks here in the U.S. Some media folks may be in Vegas right now playing poker or wasting quarters on the slot machines at the Bellagio when the astronauts did the conference. Either that, or they're writing up articles about that couple who crashed that White House dinner party earlier this week. I kid.
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#325 by collectSPACE on 28 Nov, 2009 15:57
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Feel sorry for the crew when there's so little media interest in them.
Keep in mind, the crew news conference is only open to media who are at Kennedy. Unlike the post-landing news conference with managers, news media at other centers cannot call in.*
Were they to open to the press conference to more than one center, or allow use of the off-hours phone bridge, I am positive there would have been more media participating yesterday.
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#326 by John44 on 28 Nov, 2009 16:16
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STS-129 - MISSION HIGHLIGHTS
http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5566 -
#327 by Tourmaline on 28 Nov, 2009 17:27
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I didn't hear the sonic booms or much of the usual comms on the landing coverage. Was it talked over? The NASA TV commentator seems to have a rather individual way with words. Is there any coverage where the booms, usual comms etc are more apparent? Thanks
Heh, individual way with words is one way of putting it. I dont know what she is doing when she's on mic at PAO, but I cringe every time she is on-with her stumbling over words, and misquoting, you'd swear that her attention is in some far off place...like Neptune! On landing approach, she actually stated that the shuttle was at 6700 MILES altitude.
I noticed that too - I take it this is the same woman who, on a previous shuttle mission, mentioned the shuttle-station stack was orbiting 220 feet above New Zealand
Guess I need to rewatch the landing coverage again - at what point (ie minutes before touchdown) do we usually hear the sonic booms? -
#328 by TheFallen on 28 Nov, 2009 18:13
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Guess I need to rewatch the landing coverage again - at what point (ie minutes before touchdown) do we usually hear the sonic booms?
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#329 by aurora899 on 28 Nov, 2009 18:15
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I think Brandi Dean was the PAO for yesterday's landing, and you have to feel sorry for her. She just did not have a good day at the office! I lost count of the number of times she mixed up her feet and miles e.g. "Atlantis now 131,000 MILES above the coast of Florida" and also "Atlantis expected to land 24,000 feet down the runway." To be fair, she corrected herself almost immediately (should have been 2400 feet) but I still laughed. That would have been one heck of an over-shoot!
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#330 by JJ.. on 28 Nov, 2009 18:39
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The Sonic Booms were on the coverage,but they were very quiet,
How many landings at KSC has there been,including was this one ?
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#331 by collectSPACE on 28 Nov, 2009 18:49
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How many landings at KSC has there been,including was this one ?
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#332 by Chris Bergin on 28 Nov, 2009 21:03
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I feel for the crew too, but one thing to remember here is that this is the day after a major holiday here in the U.S. While there were members of the member there for landing, you really can't blame us for not staying around for 6-hrs after landing for a press conference we are repeatedly told "COULD BE CANCELLED AT THE CREW'S WHIM WHENEVER THEY WISH."
But this is still a holiday weekend for many Americans and this is a holiday where A LOT of people go out of town to visit family. The fact that media where there is quite amazing! I agree, I would have liked to see more hardball questions, but this mission was so smooth and so amazing there really wasn't anything to ask the crew.
Could be worse, imagine if I was there.....
George D: "And now to questions, Chris?"
Me (after getting over the shock of getting the first question
: "Commander, any words for the performance of Atlantis during the mission?"
Commander Hobaugh: "Was impressed, it's a great ship."
George D: "You have a follow-up Chris?"
Me: "Yes, actually. Commander, you mean she, not it, surely??!"
Commander Hobaugh: "Well, suppose. Like I said, it's one very fine ship. And don't call me Shirley."
Me *Grabs hold of the mic on a long stick* "She, she, she!! If it's bloody well good enough for Mike L...."
*George Diller jumps over the desk like a ninja and gets me in a headlock*
Hope someone would be grabbing screenshots
Actually, the reality would be an open-mouthed me, drooling "OMG, it's real astronauts, and I'm in the same room as them". -
#333 by Aobrien on 28 Nov, 2009 21:06
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I thought we had to pay premium for jokes from Chris lol
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#334 by rocketguy101 on 28 Nov, 2009 21:15
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Actually, the reality would be an open-mouthed me, drooling "OMG, it's real astronauts, and I'm in the same room as them".
me too! Bob's landing picture thread on L2 blew me away when he mentioned talking to the CDR as they walked around "her". and he said it so casually... 8o -
#335 by dvsmith on 29 Nov, 2009 02:03
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...Lots of TV networks are cutting back and just relying on the NASA feed to get their footage. Tough times in the news business.
On average, these days, for every 6 hours of news coverage, there is less than 10 minutes of science reporting.
If you want to be depressed, take a look at Richard Hofstadter's 1966 book, Anti-Intellectualism in American Life and its 2009 counterpart, Unscientific America: How Scientific Illiteracy Threatens our Future by Chris Mooney and Sheril Kirshenbaum. -
#336 by dawei on 29 Nov, 2009 02:24
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Yeah, she mixed up her words several times like you pointed out.... but I will say there is one big thing she did well. When the astronauts were talking on the air to ground loop, she STOPPED TALKING. Anybody with even the fuzziest idea of runway length knows she didn't mean the aimpoint was 24,000 feet down the runway. But no matter how deep your understanding of the shuttle is you can never, ever go back and hear what was covered over by the PAO talking during air to ground transmissions. I'll gladly put up with a lot of "bad day at the office mixups" as long as the PAO lets us listen to the mission as it takes place rather than insisting on telling us about it to the extent we miss out on the event itself.
I think Brandi Dean was the PAO for yesterday's landing, and you have to feel sorry for her. She just did not have a good day at the office! I lost count of the number of times she mixed up her feet and miles e.g. "Atlantis now 131,000 MILES above the coast of Florida" and also "Atlantis expected to land 24,000 feet down the runway." To be fair, she corrected herself almost immediately (should have been 2400 feet) but I still laughed. That would have been one heck of an over-shoot!
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#337 by Orbiter on 29 Nov, 2009 02:46
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I'm going to be SO emotional on Atlantis' last mission in May...Though I'm going to try to not cry...
I'm going to be crying my eyes out. And when Endeavour retires in July.
Then when STS-133 lands, I think I'll have an emotional break down.
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#338 by robertross on 29 Nov, 2009 03:03
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I'm going to be SO emotional on Atlantis' last mission in May...Though I'm going to try to not cry...
I'm going to be crying my eyes out. And when Endeavour retires in July.
Then when STS-133 lands, I think I'll have an emotional break down.
Orbiter
It's already starting for me. I think I'm in denial...still holding out hope the Congress will the girls an extension for a while longer, maybe until the commercial crew capability comes at least close...
I'm really wanting to see Atlantis on her last flight, and the weather that time of year (May) really makes it an ideal launch time. But I really want to see the AMS-02 go up, which is August, but that's just asking for trouble. I don't know. Time to send a letter to the politicians to see if I can get a closer view from the viewing area, or omething else. My first, and last, shuttle launch should be as memorable as possible, despite the tears... -
#339 by drewsky208 on 29 Nov, 2009 03:25
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Yeah, she mixed up her words several times like you pointed out.... but I will say there is one big thing she did well. When the astronauts were talking on the air to ground loop, she STOPPED TALKING. Anybody with even the fuzziest idea of runway length knows she didn't mean the aimpoint was 24,000 feet down the runway. But no matter how deep your understanding of the shuttle is you can never, ever go back and hear what was covered over by the PAO talking during air to ground transmissions. I'll gladly put up with a lot of "bad day at the office mixups" as long as the PAO lets us listen to the mission as it takes place rather than insisting on telling us about it to the extent we miss out on the event itself.
I think Brandi Dean was the PAO for yesterday's landing, and you have to feel sorry for her. She just did not have a good day at the office! I lost count of the number of times she mixed up her feet and miles e.g. "Atlantis now 131,000 MILES above the coast of Florida" and also "Atlantis expected to land 24,000 feet down the runway." To be fair, she corrected herself almost immediately (should have been 2400 feet) but I still laughed. That would have been one heck of an over-shoot!
I guess all you can really say is that she's human.
True, and I'd give definite benefit of the doubt if it was *a* bad day at the office, but every EVERY time she is on, her commentary sounds as if her attention is diverted elsewhere, thus choppy words, inaccuracies in units (and not even realizing it thus repeating it again and again), or just plain erroneous commentary. Yes, she is the same that thinks the station is flying around 250 feet above earth (duck!). IMO the PAO is the embodiment and voice of all of NASA to the general public. The unprofessionalism that she repeatedly conveys just isn't something that should be tolerated. I would think that someone else in PAO is listening to what is on the air so that she should at least be coached.
So, human, yes. In need of some coaching or replacement, YES.
: "Commander, any words for the performance of Atlantis during the mission?"