Poll

Ares I - will it survive the Augustine Fallout/Presidential Forward Plan?

Yes
43 (20.8%)
No
144 (69.6%)
Don't know
20 (9.7%)

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Offline Chris Bergin

Lots of people asking for polls, so here's the first of a set.

Will Ares I survive the upcoming decisions by the President/Government?

Offline EE Scott

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Re: Poll: Augustine Fallout - Poll 1 - Will Ares I survive?
« Reply #1 on: 11/09/2009 04:28 PM »
Nope.  It cost too much and it becomes operational too late.
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Re: Poll: Augustine Fallout - Poll 1 - Will Ares I survive?
« Reply #2 on: 11/09/2009 04:29 PM »
I don't believe this decision will be made democratically.

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Re: Poll: Augustine Fallout - Poll 1 - Will Ares I survive?
« Reply #3 on: 11/09/2009 04:29 PM »
Yes. I-X success and strong specific Congress support should swing it. For better or worse ;).

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Re: Poll: Augustine Fallout - Poll 1 - Will Ares I survive?
« Reply #4 on: 11/09/2009 04:30 PM »
Don't know. Chris, what do you think?

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Re: Poll: Augustine Fallout - Poll 1 - Will Ares I survive?
« Reply #5 on: 11/09/2009 04:31 PM »
When do we get a poll asking if we are tired of seeing polls?

This one is a little strange unless we have an inside track on the panel's thoughts ;)

Offline Eric Hedman

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Re: Poll: Augustine Fallout - Poll 1 - Will Ares I survive?
« Reply #6 on: 11/09/2009 04:32 PM »
This is like guessing if Obamacare will pass.  It all depends upon the arm twisting and payoffs(I mean lobbying) behind the scenes.  The best choice for the country is never the first consideration.

Offline Chris Bergin

When do we get a poll asking if we are tired of seeing polls?


We've had four polls in 12 months. You get sick of them real easy ;)

Don't know. Chris, what do you think?

Unlikely to survive due to costs and schedule.

Offline Bubbinski

I voted "no". 

Though Ares I-X was a success, the cost and schedule situation has gotten to the point where I have to think it will be ditched in favor of Direct or not Shuttle C.  Although you never really know, it is after all the incumbent "program of record" and lots of money and effort have been spent already, also there will probably be some kind of gap no matter what happens.  It is telling that when George Diller announced the liftoff he said something about the launch being "for future rocket design" and didn't say that it was a test flight of the vehicle that would carry America's astronauts to the Moon, Mars, and beyond.
I'll even excitedly look forward to "flags and footprints" and suborbital missions. Just fly...somewhere.

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Re: Poll: Augustine Fallout - Poll 1 - Will Ares I survive?
« Reply #9 on: 11/09/2009 05:02 PM »

Don't know. Chris, what do you think?

Unlikely to survive due to costs and schedule.

The reality regarding "costs and schedule" actually causes me to vote "don't know"

Shuttle extension plus continued work on Ares 1 is a "kick the can down the road scenario" that allows the Administration to avoid making a tough decision that annoys those being paid to develop Ares 1.

Sadly, for some, Ares 1 costs and schedule can be seen as a feature, not a bug.
EML architectures should be seen as ratchet opportunities

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Re: Poll: Augustine Fallout - Poll 1 - Will Ares I survive?
« Reply #10 on: 11/09/2009 06:18 PM »
I voted yes, because I think they are that naive.
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Re: Poll: Augustine Fallout - Poll 1 - Will Ares I survive?
« Reply #11 on: 11/09/2009 06:34 PM »
When do we get a poll asking if we are tired of seeing polls?


We've had four polls in 12 months. You get sick of them real easy ;)


A poll about polls?  That'd be a "meta-poll", I think (and I'm pretty sure I never meta-poll I didn't like), not to mention being the "long poll" in the tent ... ;D

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Re: Poll: Augustine Fallout - Poll 1 - Will Ares I survive?
« Reply #12 on: 11/09/2009 06:55 PM »

Shuttle extension plus continued work on Ares 1 is a "kick the can down the road scenario" that allows the Administration to avoid making a tough decision that annoys those being paid to develop Ares 1.


Pursuing hot potato issues like health care and (next on the agenda) energy legislation, kicking the can down the road does not appear to be on the agenda for this administration. It's my personal opinion that a substantial decision on NASA's direction will be made... whether we space watchers like it or not remains to be seen.

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Re: Poll: Augustine Fallout - Poll 1 - Will Ares I survive?
« Reply #13 on: 11/09/2009 06:56 PM »
I don't know.  Although its goals are scaled back, what's defined now seems to be technically viable.  The politics of space is the biggest confusion factor.

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« Last Edit: 11/09/2009 10:21 PM by HIPAR »

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Re: Poll: Augustine Fallout - Poll 1 - Will Ares I survive?
« Reply #14 on: 11/09/2009 07:08 PM »
No. It will become yet another thing pilled  "on the plate" of POTUS, and nothing will be done. It, and the rest of the space program will die of benign neglect waiting on some audacious hope.

Or it will be replaced with SD-HLV. Either way, it's gone.
« Last Edit: 11/09/2009 07:08 PM by bad_astra »
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Re: Poll: Augustine Fallout - Poll 1 - Will Ares I survive?
« Reply #15 on: 11/09/2009 07:20 PM »
Voted yes.

I think the 4-seg SRB will retire with the Shuttle. Can't see NASA cancel RSRMV now. DM-2 is in work, aft segment was cast, forward segment cast begins today. 5-seg is the future.

I also think the same goes for the SSME - retired with the Shuttle. What Jeff Hanley said in the leaked email. What Dr. Douglas Stanley said Nov 2nd at the AIAA moderated debate in D.C. What some forum members here are saying.


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Re: Poll: Augustine Fallout - Poll 1 - Will Ares I survive?
« Reply #16 on: 11/09/2009 07:55 PM »
Voted Yes.  Too many people in key states, within Congress, still want it.  I think they'll even get a budget increase of $2-3 Billion, to keep the program alive.
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Re: Poll: Augustine Fallout - Poll 1 - Will Ares I survive?
« Reply #17 on: 11/09/2009 08:29 PM »

 Can't see NASA cancel RSRMV now. DM-2 is in work, aft segment was cast, forward segment cast begins today.

That is no guarantee.  See ASRM.

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Re: Poll: Augustine Fallout - Poll 1 - Will Ares I survive?
« Reply #18 on: 11/09/2009 09:54 PM »
Voted Yes, I think to much political inertia to swing a change.  Hope I am wrong.
I am vendor neutral, I just want to see spacecraft fly.

Offline smith5se

Voted no because though Ares I-X was somewhat impressive it will be too expensive to maintain, among other things.
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