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Re: Virgin Galactic updates
« Reply #160 on: 02/04/2010 08:04 pm »
they lanched the spaceshiptwo? ???
when the first test?

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Re: Virgin Galactic updates
« Reply #161 on: 03/09/2010 12:25 pm »
A recent (4th March 2010) Associated Press release on Virgin Galactic (reported here by the Sydney Morning Herald):
http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/virgin-to-test-rocketpowered-spaceship-next-year-20100304-pk0g.html

A quote from Will Whitehorn:
"As the year breaks into next year, we'll start moving into rocket motor testing and then into space"
So no flights into space before 2011.

Also, Scaled Composites have made a nice new shiny website  :)
http://www.scaled.com/
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Re: Virgin Galactic updates
« Reply #162 on: 03/16/2010 04:02 pm »
looks like runway is getting closer to completion...
http://www.spaceportamerica.com/images/stories/spa-runway-09.jpg

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Re: Virgin Galactic updates
« Reply #163 on: 03/22/2010 03:44 pm »
From Twitter about 11:45EDT: VSS Enterprise has taken off from Mojave Air and Spaceport for her inaugural flight attached to VMS Eve ..


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Re: Virgin Galactic updates
« Reply #165 on: 03/22/2010 05:54 pm »
<----First launch of DISCOVERY, STS-41D!!!!

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Re: Virgin Galactic updates
« Reply #166 on: 03/22/2010 10:09 pm »
Any thoughts on how the evolution of the test flights of the SS2 will go?
SS1 I guess had 2 captive carry before drop tests but it seems that won't happen for a while for SS2.
I was surprised with the 3 hour test flight.  I thought they would do a quick up and down first.  Can't wait for flight update at Scaled when posted here.
Will they slowly add mass to SS2 till it is fully loaded before a drop test(not fueled of course).
What additional flight envelopes expansion will they need?
TOTAL speculation..Maybe SS2 isn't flight ready yet hence the delay in drop test?
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Re: Virgin Galactic updates
« Reply #167 on: 03/22/2010 10:24 pm »
a brief video
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Re: Virgin Galactic updates
« Reply #168 on: 03/22/2010 10:38 pm »
cool vid.... maybe start a discussion thread too now? ;)
hope they release some in flight vids at altitude and a tour of the inside of ss2 ....

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Re: Virgin Galactic updates
« Reply #169 on: 03/23/2010 01:35 pm »
Virgin just posted a 156 MB flight video on the press FTP at Virgin galactic site..slow download on my end...
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Video News Reel capturing VSS Enterprise's first 'captive carry' flight and comments from the pilot.
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edit: Pilot interview at end said they got flight envelope to speed and release altitude during first flight.. looked like some cross wind at landing..the opening shots of WK2 and SS2 at dawn was pretty cool
..also now on youtube
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Re: Virgin Galactic updates
« Reply #170 on: 03/23/2010 06:02 pm »
IS Virgin Galactic SS2 have to be FAA certified to fly people into space.
 

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Re: Virgin Galactic updates
« Reply #171 on: 03/24/2010 04:33 pm »
Any thoughts on how the evolution of the test flights of the SS2 will go?
SS1 I guess had 2 captive carry before drop tests but it seems that won't happen for a while for SS2.
I was surprised with the 3 hour test flight.  I thought they would do a quick up and down first.  Can't wait for flight update at Scaled when posted here.
Will they slowly add mass to SS2 till it is fully loaded before a drop test(not fueled of course).
What additional flight envelopes expansion will they need?
TOTAL speculation..Maybe SS2 isn't flight ready yet hence the delay in drop test?
jb


  I think Mr. Rutan has cut some corners here.
The first captive-carry flight of SS2 with Enterprise is upto 45,000 feet?
Amazing.
I had assumed that the first captive-carry flight would be perhaps
upto 3,000 ft altitude about the landing strip...then the second flight perhaps 12,000 feet...the third test flight upto 20,000 feet, then 30,000 and finally 45,000 feet in captive-carry flights stretched over two months.

 So what now?...The first gliding test (from 10-12,000 foot altitude)
on April 12th?
 Any bets?
Mr. Rutan likes to pick historical dates (October 4; December 17, etc.)

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Re: Virgin Galactic updates
« Reply #172 on: 03/24/2010 07:11 pm »
So what now?...The first gliding test (from 10-12,000 foot altitude)
on April 12th?
 Any bets?
Mr. Rutan likes to pick historical dates (October 4; December 17, etc.)

I would suspect another captive flight, this time manned, then a series of glide tests, the exact number depending on how things go. 

This was how SpaceShip One was tested, so that would be a good template for the first flights.

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Re: Virgin Galactic updates
« Reply #173 on: 03/26/2010 02:55 pm »
Info regarding first mated flight is up at the Scaled sight.

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Flight   WK2 Flight 25 / CC-01
Date:    22 Mar 10   Flight Time:    2.9 hr
Pilot:    Stucky   CoPilot:    Nichols
FTE:   Kalogiannis

Objectives:
Captive taxi handling
Speed/altitude envelope expansion
Captive performance, stability and control evaluation
SS2 systems Evaluation
Photo and video

Results:
All objectives achieved. Systems performed as designed. Kudos to the entire team for executing an exceptionally clean and successful first captive flight!

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Re: Virgin Galactic updates
« Reply #174 on: 04/09/2010 01:53 pm »
Scaled Composites have recently (30th March 2010) performed their 4th hot-fire test of RocketMotorTwo.
The previous one was in May 2009.
http://www.scaled.com/projects/rocketmotortwo_hot-fire_test_summaries

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Fire: 04
Date: 30 March 10

Objectives:
Perform fourth full scale flight design RM2 hot-fire – planned flight fuel
Performed flight design Rocket System evaluation
Pressurization system evaluation
Data Acquisition system evaluation
Fuel formulation evaluation
Nozzle evaluation
CTN structural evaluation
Valve/Injector evaluation

Results:
All objectives completed. Performed successful hot-fire, including oxidizer flow and pressurization systems, data acquisition system measurements, structural evaluation, nozzle ablation, and fuel regression rate data collection. Determined stability levels.
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Re: Virgin Galactic updates
« Reply #175 on: 05/17/2010 06:33 am »

So no flights into space before 2011.


Maybe after all of the bravado and the harsh criticism of government programs, they're finally learning that even modest goals, like building a stunt plane that can hit Mach 3 briefly before coasting to the arbitrary boundary of space and falling back to Earth, aren't so easy to achieve!

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Re: Virgin Galactic updates
« Reply #176 on: 05/17/2010 11:07 am »

So no flights into space before 2011.


Maybe after all of the bravado and the harsh criticism of government programs, they're finally learning that even modest goals, like building a stunt plane that can hit Mach 3 briefly before coasting to the arbitrary boundary of space and falling back to Earth, aren't so easy to achieve!
I don't believe the Scaled Composites/Virgin Galactic project is really as modest as that. It's not just a "stunt plane". Here is a non exhaustive list of some of their project goals (off the top of my head, so not a rigorous list).
 - design of a sub-orbital plane, capable of going beyond the Karman (100km) line. (no other such craft currently exists).
 - use of a novel, "care-free" re-entry system
 - captive carry to 50,000 feet by a purpose-built high altitude plane.
 - bring 8 people (6 passengers + 2 pilots) to over 100 km
 - allow passengers to experience weightlessness
 - create logistical and physical infrastructure to allow for a profitable business
 - get certified by the FAA, and in doing so pave the way for other private space companies

I feel that the building of a space tourism infrastructure (e.g. Spaceport America) and the testing of new regulations along with the FAA are the most important aspects of this and similar projects. The next main hurdle is the maintaining of a stable space tourism market!
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Re: Virgin Galactic updates
« Reply #177 on: 05/17/2010 06:29 pm »

So no flights into space before 2011.


Maybe after all of the bravado and the harsh criticism of government programs, they're finally learning that even modest goals, like building a stunt plane that can hit Mach 3 briefly before coasting to the arbitrary boundary of space and falling back to Earth, aren't so easy to achieve!



No one said it was easy. When has government run an active passenger service spaceplane? BTW.. first slight of Tier 1 was 2004.
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Re: Virgin Galactic updates
« Reply #178 on: 05/17/2010 10:24 pm »

So no flights into space before 2011.


Maybe after all of the bravado and the harsh criticism of government programs, they're finally learning that even modest goals, like building a stunt plane that can hit Mach 3 briefly before coasting to the arbitrary boundary of space and falling back to Earth, aren't so easy to achieve!



No one said it was easy. When has government run an active passenger service spaceplane? BTW.. first slight of Tier 1 was 2004.

Yup, and Rutan started designing it in the early 1990's, so he took quite a while getting the design right the first time. Five years for SS2/WK2 is pretty reasonable. There are regular civil aircraft that take longer to get to market than that.
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Re: Virgin Galactic updates
« Reply #179 on: 05/17/2010 11:53 pm »
they're finally learning that even modest goals, like building a stunt plane that can hit Mach 3 briefly before coasting to the arbitrary boundary of space and falling back to Earth..
So all X-15 pilots including Michael J. Adams were just stuntmen, by your categorization ?
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