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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #680 on: 05/29/2014 07:23 am »
I shouldn't speak for him, but I don't think he has a problem - we are just reacting to the hyperbola of the statement that XCOR's "rocket engine development is paced to create highly reliable, inexpensive to operate, reusable integrated systems" when neither the A) engine nor B) the integrated system (LYNX) has flown yet.

Again, it may be proven true eventually, but given the history of the "newSpace" industry in the last decade, it seems presumptuous at this point.

Yeah, that's exactly what I think.  XCOR may or may not succeed in getting a highly reliable and cheap system for passenger access to suborbital space working.  I wish them well and I hope they succeed.  I just think the statements that we should be confident they will succeed are not justified.

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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #681 on: 05/29/2014 11:54 am »

I shouldn't speak for him, but I don't think he has a problem - we are just reacting to the hyperbola of the statement that XCOR's "rocket engine development is paced to create highly reliable, inexpensive to operate, reusable integrated systems" when neither the A) engine nor B) the integrated system (LYNX) has flown yet.

Again, it may be proven true eventually, but given the history of the "newSpace" industry in the last decade, it seems presumptuous at this point.

Yeah, that's exactly what I think.  XCOR may or may not succeed in getting a highly reliable and cheap system for passenger access to suborbital space working.  I wish them well and I hope they succeed.  I just think the statements that we should be confident they will succeed are not justified.

Nor is consistent negativity.

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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #682 on: 06/18/2014 03:41 pm »
For anyone who wants to try their luck (and support charity in the process) XCOR is offering 1 ticket to space for every $1 million raised through the Ugency Network of charities.

$10 gets you ten entries for the grand prize- an actual trip to space on the Lynx!

https://www.urgencynetwork.com/f/2438-46569-2861

It also gives the proponents and doubters of XCOR on this- rather testy- thread a chance to put their money where their mouth is, so to speak about XCOR actually flying. :)
« Last Edit: 06/18/2014 04:16 pm by sghill »
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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #683 on: 06/18/2014 10:17 pm »
Alex Knapp has a new article about XCOR up at Forbes.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2014/06/18/bootstrapping-to-the-stars/

Some interesting quotes in there.
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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #684 on: 06/18/2014 11:24 pm »
A bit less testiness would be a good thing. I expect we ALL wish XCOR well in their endeavours, and we can disagree about various aspects without losing our friendships.
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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #685 on: 07/01/2014 02:42 am »
I think I'm safe in saying that they don't really care what you believe.

It is not under discussion if Jeff Greason dismisses the critique made by an anonymous forum poster (who we will be calling "Chris"). The point here is if Chris' critique valid. You and Sav managed to drag him into the formal definition of promises made, an area where he's going to lose the Internet argument because Jeff is much too smart for that, as you observed. But that loss changes nothing in the fact that XCOR's program is delayed by many years. The story of the "flight fuselage" that magically transformed into "flight weight fuselage" after inspection at XCOR is but a small piece. It was a setback after setback like that and it was going on for many years. Chris identified just 4. Unfortunately, when a program drags out, its costs balloon. Also, it's going to be progressively more difficult to find suckers to put their money into the venture. If XCOR was only financed by the "day job" contracts, such as the piston pump, it would be nothing. But they also were entering into the ticket-selling schemes. That is going to have a PR impact sooner or later.

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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #686 on: 07/01/2014 03:30 am »
That is going to have a PR impact sooner or later.

People might start comparing them to Virgin Galactic?
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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #687 on: 07/01/2014 06:34 am »
That is going to have a PR impact sooner or later.

People might start comparing them to Virgin Galactic?

Might start..? Where I live they started comparing XCOR to Virgin Galactic several years ago, shortly after the time some not-so-bright character came up with the whole space experience Curacao thingy.
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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #688 on: 07/01/2014 06:43 am »
Speaking of which...

Quote from: Press Release
XCOR Aerospace Acquires Space Expedition Corporation

SXC to become “XCOR Space Expeditions,” an Open, Global Platform for XCOR® Lynx® Flights

June 30, 2014, Mojave, CA — XCOR Aerospace announced today that it has closed the acquisition of all operational subsidiaries of Space Expedition Corporation, the previously independent Dutch company also known as SXC. SXC served as XCOR’s general sales agent for XCOR® Lynx® flight sales and as their lead wet lease customer. The new sales entity, XCOR Space Expeditions, will continue to focus on sales, commercial partnerships and participant (customer) training on a global level, and will serve as an open sales channel available for all future XCOR Lynx wet lease clients.

The acquisition signals XCOR’s commitment to being “the most active space flight company in the world” through a marked increase in integrated sales activities and multiple wet lease operations. As the most active spaceflight company in the world, XCOR is poised to become the company which delivers the most value for the price. With its high frequency of flights, XCOR will learn the most the quickest in the emerging commercial spaceflight industry and more customers will benefit from Lynx’s incredible in-the-cockpit experience.

XCOR CEO Jeff Greason noted that “For the past two years, SXC has provided XCOR Aerospace with an expanding roster of new customers and commercial partners. As XCOR Space Expeditions, we look forward to making the most of their expertise and insights with customers and commercial partners. With their sales and marketing engine now a part of the XCOR brand, we deepen the connection between customers and Lynx.”

“Both as a founder of SXC, and through my background in e-Business and Formula One, I understand that exceptional engineering and design are vital for performance and the overall customer experience,” said SXC co-founder and XCOR Aerospace board member Michiel Mol. “XCOR Aerospace is the best I’ve seen in spacecraft and rocket engine design. With this acquisition XCOR Space Expeditions will provide direct connection to the XCOR brand and more up-to-date information about Lynx for individual ticket holders, wet lease customers and commercial partners. The result is an integrated XCOR that will inspire our customers and investors, and deliver a more seamless and exciting experience overall.”

Detailed terms of the transaction were not disclosed. The all-stock transaction was reviewed by the United States Treasury Department’s Committee on Foreign Investment in the US (CFIUS) which determined the acquisition and exchange of shares was not a “covered transaction.”

http://www.xcor.com/press/2014/14-06-30_xcor_acquires_space_expedition_corporation.html

That's news, as XCOR has been trying to avoid being involved in the customer facing side for a while.

The website has already been updated: http://spacexc.com/en/home/

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Founder    100,000 USD    +100 km    Lynx Mark II    Curacao, Mojave    Q3 2015
Future    100,000 USD    +100 km    Lynx Mark II    Curacao, Mojave    Q1 2016
Pioneer    95,000 USD     +60 km    Lynx Mark I    Mojave    Q4 2014

This schedule is indicative only and subject to change.

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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #689 on: 07/01/2014 07:15 am »
The website has already been updated: http://spacexc.com/en/home/

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Founder    100,000 USD    +100 km    Lynx Mark II    Curacao, Mojave    Q3 2015
Future    100,000 USD    +100 km    Lynx Mark II    Curacao, Mojave    Q1 2016
Pioneer    95,000 USD     +60 km    Lynx Mark I    Mojave    Q4 2014

This schedule is indicative only and subject to change.

Indeed.
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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #690 on: 08/16/2014 06:33 pm »
Wall Breaking Ceremony Marks Start of Hangar Rennovations
August 15, 2014, Midland, Texas—At 10am this morning, just feet from the runway which will rocket XCOR® Lynx® customers to space and back, Midland Development Corporation and XCOR Aerospace® invited local officials, contractors, Midland residents and local press to attend the kickoff of new renovations on the XCOR hangar with a ceremonial wall breaking inside of XCOR’s Commercial Spaceflight Research and Development Center Headquarters at Midland International Airport (MAF). [...]
The XCOR hangar will become the home of the first XCOR Lynx suborbital spacecraft, XCOR’s corporate headquarters, and its research and development facilities.
Hangar renovations are expected to commence immediately by local construction firm N.C. Sturgeon, with completion of hangar renovations by early summer of 2015.


http://xcor.com/press/2014/14-08-15_XCOR_breaking_down_walls_with_midland.html
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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #691 on: 08/29/2014 05:48 am »
"I'm in the private space business because I don't feel like waiting 20 years for something to happen." --Jeff Greason
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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #692 on: 09/01/2014 12:43 pm »
"I'm in the private space business because I don't feel like waiting 20 years for something to happen." --Jeff Greason

Jeff always seems to have a way of stating how I feel more eloquently than I could.

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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #694 on: 09/07/2014 05:55 am »
"All my rocket ship disappointments are the result of there not being enough private companies like XCOR Aerospace."
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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #695 on: 09/12/2014 08:02 pm »
Perhaps this topic has already been addressed in this thread but what's taking XCOR so long? It looks to me like they have a far superior propulsion system to Virgin and a significantly smaller and easier to build vehicle. When are they going to start powered flight?

I'm seriously interested from an engineering and management perspective. What are the challenges they are facing that are causing it to take them this long to reach powered flight?
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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #696 on: 09/12/2014 09:42 pm »
Perhaps this topic has already been addressed in this thread but what's taking XCOR so long? It looks to me like they have a far superior propulsion system to Virgin and a significantly smaller and easier to build vehicle. When are they going to start powered flight?

I'm seriously interested from an engineering and management perspective. What are the challenges they are facing that are causing it to take them this long to reach powered flight?

VG and Scaled Composites have a lot of aircraft experience - and spacecraft experience after SS1. What they have issues with is propulsion.

XCOR is the opposite of that. They appear to have a solid propulsion system, but are lacking in the air/spacecraft design and production. Their biggest obstacle is the Lynx itself, not the propulsion.
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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #697 on: 09/14/2014 07:44 am »
"I'm in the private space business because I don't feel like waiting 20 years for something to happen." --Jeff Greason
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101911569

:)
Meanwhile the Lynx is at least four years behind schedule.
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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #698 on: 09/14/2014 04:02 pm »
"I'm in the private space business because I don't feel like waiting 20 years for something to happen." --Jeff Greason
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101911569

:)
Meanwhile the Lynx is at least four years behind schedule.

Speaking as an XCor investor, I'd much rather the company takes the time they need to get it right rather than rush an dcut corners to meet an artificial deadline.  Add in the fact that I'm signed up to fly on the Lynx, and I'm even more inclined to be patient.



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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #699 on: 09/14/2014 04:48 pm »
Can someone list off the predictions of year by year?

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