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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #640 on: 04/09/2014 08:19 pm »
Earlier I posted a question - Can Lynx get to 100km before Virgin Galactic SS2. I have no clue but this is one more step closer. FWIW - XCOR seems to be taking small manageable steps towards a reusable sub-orbital rocket plane.  From what I've seen in posts, this approach might have truly great merit.

VG would have to screw up a lot for XCOR to beat them at this point. Lynx Mk1 can't make it to 100km, so they're at least one vehicle away from that point. SS2 would have to run into another year or two worth of delays for XCOR to catch up.

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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #641 on: 04/09/2014 09:14 pm »
It is good to see progress!

Judging by the structural supporting braces/cross-sections that surround the cockpit, it looks like the final design is going to be more smooth and blended from wing to fuselage than the early concepts showed.
« Last Edit: 04/09/2014 09:15 pm by Lars_J »

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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #642 on: 04/09/2014 10:05 pm »
Does anybody know their test plan?.
I'm guessing it will be something like following.
1) tethered flight (same as DC)
2) drop/glide and land
3) Powered taxi
4) Full powered takeoff and flight.

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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #643 on: 04/09/2014 10:18 pm »
Does anybody know their test plan?.
I'm guessing it will be something like following.
1) tethered flight (same as DC)
2) drop/glide and land
3) Powered taxi
4) Full powered takeoff and flight.

No.

They're planning to test it like an aircraft. Runway taxiing, touch-and-gos, envelope expansion.
Human spaceflight is basically just LARPing now.

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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #644 on: 04/09/2014 10:51 pm »
Does anybody know their test plan?.
I'm guessing it will be something like following.
1) tethered flight (same as DC)
2) drop/glide and land
3) Powered taxi
4) Full powered takeoff and flight.

No.

They're planning to test it like an aircraft. Runway taxiing, touch-and-gos, envelope expansion.

For aircraft testing, do you just assume your control surfaces will operate as designed ?

After tons of computer simulations and wind tunnel testing of course....

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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #645 on: 04/09/2014 11:15 pm »
Does anybody know their test plan?.
I'm guessing it will be something like following.
1) tethered flight (same as DC)
2) drop/glide and land
3) Powered taxi
4) Full powered takeoff and flight.

No.

They're planning to test it like an aircraft. Runway taxiing, touch-and-gos, envelope expansion.

For aircraft testing, do you just assume your control surfaces will operate as designed ?

After tons of computer simulations and wind tunnel testing of course....

QuantumG skipped one step between runway taxiing and touch-and-gos, they also do some tests called runway hops. Because a rocket has such a high T/W, you can go from a stop to takeoff speed on a tiny fraction of the runway, so you can lift off a little, verify basic controls, and land again on the same runway. But yeah, basically you test the prototype expanding the envelope little by little--just like most if not all aircraft are tested.

~Jon

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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #646 on: 04/09/2014 11:34 pm »
For aircraft testing, do you just assume your control surfaces will operate as designed ?

After tons of computer simulations and wind tunnel testing of course....

Yep. I don't recall seeing the 787 or A380 towed into the air, or air-dropped. ;)

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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #647 on: 04/10/2014 04:03 am »
NASA/NAVAIR did "drop tests" with subscale remote control models of the F/A-18E Super Hornet. The YF-16 was was famous for the high speed "taxi" test. An over responsive YF-16 ended up making its unofficial first flight.



Usually they can figure out CG and control response during high-speed taxi test. I'm sure they did high speed taxi tests with the 787, but short of borrowing a An-225 what could they use for captive test flights?
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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #648 on: 04/10/2014 05:59 am »
QuantumG skipped one step between runway taxiing and touch-and-gos, they also do some tests called runway hops.

That's what I was trying remember! A mate of mine had to do those with his home-built gyrocopter while the inspector watched.

Human spaceflight is basically just LARPing now.

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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #649 on: 04/10/2014 06:44 am »
Does anybody know their test plan?.
I'm guessing it will be something like following.
1) tethered flight (same as DC)
2) drop/glide and land
3) Powered taxi
4) Full powered takeoff and flight.

No.

They're planning to test it like an aircraft. Runway taxiing, touch-and-gos, envelope expansion.

For aircraft testing, do you just assume your control surfaces will operate as designed ?

After tons of computer simulations and wind tunnel testing of course....

QuantumG skipped one step between runway taxiing and touch-and-gos, they also do some tests called runway hops. Because a rocket has such a high T/W, you can go from a stop to takeoff speed on a tiny fraction of the runway, so you can lift off a little, verify basic controls, and land again on the same runway. But yeah, basically you test the prototype expanding the envelope little by little--just like most if not all aircraft are tested.

~Jon
Very interesting, thanks for the input.
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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #650 on: 05/15/2014 04:54 pm »
Earlier I posted a question - Can Lynx get to 100km before Virgin Galactic SS2. I have no clue but this is one more step closer. FWIW - XCOR seems to be taking small manageable steps towards a reusable sub-orbital rocket plane.  From what I've seen in posts, this approach might have truly great merit.

VG would have to screw up a lot for XCOR to beat them at this point. Lynx Mk1 can't make it to 100km, so they're at least one vehicle away from that point. SS2 would have to run into another year or two worth of delays for XCOR to catch up.

~Jon
well....maybe
http://www.parabolicarc.com/2014/05/15/spaceshiptwo-reach-100-km-boundary-space/

Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #651 on: 05/24/2014 06:36 pm »
XCOR deserves to win this.

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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #652 on: 05/27/2014 03:01 pm »
http://www.xcor.com/press/2014/14-05-27_CFIUS_approval_clears_XCOR_series_B_financing.html
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CFIUS Approval Clears XCOR Aerospace’s First Close of Series B Financing

XCOR Raises $14.2 Million of Investment Capital Led by Dutch Investors
27 May 2014, Mojave, CA – XCOR Aerospace announced today that the United States Treasury Department’s Committee on Foreign Investment in the US (CFIUS) has approved the Series B lead investment by Dutch investors. The first closing of XCOR’s new round of finance issued $14.2 million of Series B preferred shares. XCOR will use the funds to bring the XCOR® Lynx® suborbital spaceplane to market.

The Series B financing was led by Space Expedition Corporation (SXC) of The Netherlands. Michiel Mol and Mark Hoogendoorn of SXC will join the current five members on the XCOR Board of Directors. The first round also included many existing and new investors including: board member Esther Dyson, Pete Ricketts (co-owner of the Chicago Cubs), and a number of Silicon Valley entrepreneurs and early-stage investors. A smaller second closing is scheduled over the summer.

The SXC investment in XCOR signals a strong commitment to the commercial space industry by the Dutch entity, which is also XCOR’s lead wet-lease customer and general sales agent.  Michiel Mol said, “With this investment in XCOR, we’re closing ranks with our most strategic partner. We will take the next step together toward our first commercial spaceflight. I’m proud to become a part of this fantastically dedicated team of ‘future makers’ and game changers.”

Mark Hoogendoorn noted, “Investing in XCOR is much more than investing in innovative technology and a team of highly skilled engineers. Most of all, it’s investing in a long term vision we strongly believe in that will enable a new era of sustainable and regular space access that will positively impact all mankind.” 

Jeff Greason, Founder and CEO of XCOR, said, "We are very pleased to have this first closing of the Series B and welcome Michiel and Mark to the Board. This investment will allow us to accelerate and run in parallel several final developments in the critical path to first flight."

"This first closing of the Series B is a signal to the market that XCOR is moving ahead with its plans for commercial service and that we are nearer to that goal," said Andrew Nelson, Chief Operating Officer of XCOR.  “The Series B will remain open for a limited time as we complete discussions with a few more potential investors.”

Although SXC acquired a minority position without control provisions in XCOR, the company took the cautious route of submitting the investment to CFIUS for review prior to an official public announcement.  CFIUS agreed that no control provisions exist and that the investment is not a so-called “covered transaction.”

Cheers to Jeff Foust and Jon Goff for retweeting the announcement tweet
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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #653 on: 05/28/2014 03:19 pm »
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PARIS — Commercial suborbital spaceplane service provider XCOR Aerospace has sold $14.2 million in preferred stock, most of it to its long-standing strategic partner, Space Expedition Corp. of the Netherlands, which will now have two representatives on XCOR’s seven-member board of directors, XCOR announced May 27.

The U.S. Treasury Deptartment’s Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States approved the transaction, XCOR said.

http://www.spacenews.com/article/financial-report/40711xcor-raises-14-million-in-equity-deal-with-dutch-partner

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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #654 on: 05/28/2014 03:22 pm »
That is really good news. They have some funding now.
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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #655 on: 05/28/2014 03:25 pm »
Can't help feeling once this starts flying it will progress much quicker to operational capability than VG.

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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #656 on: 05/28/2014 04:44 pm »
It appears that their rocket engine development is paced to create highly reliable, inexpensive to operate, reusable integrated systems, if the airframe is as well thought out as the engines, I do think that the Lynx will be a winner.  I think their paradigm is to optimize utility as opposed to optimized performance, this might be the ticket to success?

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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #657 on: 05/28/2014 06:51 pm »
That's good news, especially for us XCOR fans.

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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #658 on: 05/28/2014 07:05 pm »
Indeed great news! Go XCOR!

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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #659 on: 05/28/2014 07:22 pm »
It appears that their rocket engine development is paced to create highly reliable, inexpensive to operate, reusable integrated systems

That seems like a strong statement to make, given their lack of actually flying anything yet. What are you basing it on?

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