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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #580 on: 11/26/2013 08:10 pm »
But if it's an expander variant that would be the first wholly new expander engine since the late 50's.  :)  :) , so nearer 50 than 25 years.
Vinci and RD-0146 might beg to differ.
I should have qualified that by "In the US" OT but has RD-0146 flown yet either?
RD-0146 series of engines have been fully developed and tested via test stands, but have not been flown on a rocket of any type towards the sky. When KVSK or KVTK flies toward 2018 that will be first flight.

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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #581 on: 11/26/2013 11:44 pm »
(OT, but that's the Angara upper stage, right?)

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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #582 on: 11/27/2013 06:24 am »
(OT, but that's the Angara upper stage, right?)
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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #583 on: 12/10/2013 10:16 pm »
Great interview on the XCOR blog.

http://www.xcor.com/blog/xcoragu/

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Lynx is designed for low cost, high frequency flights. By comparison–take sounding rockets as an example. Much of the research conducted at this level of the atmosphere currently involves sounding rockets, and those are about ten times the price of a Lynx flight, maybe a few flights per year per experiment.

And this ability for Lynx to fly at such low cost and high frequency makes high flight rates achievable, which is what makes the whole future of suborbital research so attractive. With increased frequency, you have the opportunity to test equipment in-situ and know much more about what to expect well before launch.

It really will be a different capability for science when Lynx starts flying.
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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #584 on: 12/11/2013 03:02 am »
http://www.xcor.com/blog/xcoragu/
It really will be a different capability for science when Lynx starts flying.
I just finished spending some company money on high-res satellite imagery.  I wonder how XCOR prices and quality for "air photos?" will compare.   
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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #585 on: 12/11/2013 04:02 am »
Sorry if this is a dumb question - was the LH2/LOX demonstrator engine they hot-fired in November also powered by the piston pump? Or is that the next step from here? The press release seems to indicate the pump and engine haven't been integrated yet.

Nonetheless, what they have done already is extremely impressive, and I can't wait to see what comes next. :)
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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #586 on: 12/11/2013 04:05 am »
Was the LH2/LOX demonstrator engine they hot-fired in November also powered by the piston pump? Or is that the next step from here? The press release seems to indicate the pump and engine haven't been integrated yet.

That's correct.

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“XCOR’s ability to develop inexpensive, innovative and out-of-the-box solutions to some of the most challenging problems in modern cryogenic rocket engine technology was on display in Mojave,” said George Sowers, vice president of Strategic Architecture at ULA. “It was a great first set of engine runs and we look forward to seeing the engine and XCOR’s unique piston pumps integrated together in 2014.”

http://www.xcor.com/press/2013/13-11-19_XCOR_ULA_announce_hydrogen_milestone.html
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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #587 on: 12/11/2013 01:16 pm »
Great interview on the XCOR blog.

http://www.xcor.com/blog/xcoragu/

Quote from: Khaki Rodway
Lynx is designed for low cost, high frequency flights. By comparison–take sounding rockets as an example. Much of the research conducted at this level of the atmosphere currently involves sounding rockets, and those are about ten times the price of a Lynx flight, maybe a few flights per year per experiment.

And this ability for Lynx to fly at such low cost and high frequency makes high flight rates achievable, which is what makes the whole future of suborbital research so attractive. With increased frequency, you have the opportunity to test equipment in-situ and know much more about what to expect well before launch.

It really will be a different capability for science when Lynx starts flying.
Sounding rockets are 150km and up in apogee. At least MkI Lynx is 60km. And they plan to reach barely 100km with MkII. I don't know if they'll be ever able to do 450km that many experiments use. Remember that apogee also means microgravity and above atmosphere time. Not to mention different layers of the atmosphere and magnetic field.

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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #588 on: 12/11/2013 07:30 pm »
But, that's just the vehicle itself. With the Mark III dorsal pod, you could launch something to a much higher suborbital trajectory.

Also IIRC, Mark I is a one-off prototype that won't be used for much science. Mark II will be the first real customer vehicle.

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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #589 on: 12/11/2013 08:04 pm »
Also, I believe that as they gain experience and funds, the capabilities of their vehicles will expand. Mark II might only make it 100 km, but Mark III or MarkIV might go much higher.

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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #590 on: 12/11/2013 08:19 pm »
Also, I believe that as they gain experience and funds, the capabilities of their vehicles will expand. Mark II might only make it 100 km, but Mark III or Mark IV might go much higher.
And with Mark IX they should make it to the Moon ;)
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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #591 on: 12/11/2013 08:20 pm »
Also, I believe that as they gain experience and funds, the capabilities of their vehicles will expand. Mark II might only make it 100 km, but Mark III or Mark IV might go much higher.
And with Mark IX they should make it to the Moon ;)
Well they do have plans for an orbital system... ;)

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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #592 on: 12/11/2013 09:38 pm »
Great interview on the XCOR blog.

http://www.xcor.com/blog/xcoragu/

Quote from: Khaki Rodway
Lynx is designed for low cost, high frequency flights. By comparison–take sounding rockets as an example. Much of the research conducted at this level of the atmosphere currently involves sounding rockets, and those are about ten times the price of a Lynx flight, maybe a few flights per year per experiment.

And this ability for Lynx to fly at such low cost and high frequency makes high flight rates achievable, which is what makes the whole future of suborbital research so attractive. With increased frequency, you have the opportunity to test equipment in-situ and know much more about what to expect well before launch.

It really will be a different capability for science when Lynx starts flying.
Sounding rockets are 150km and up in apogee. At least MkI Lynx is 60km. And they plan to reach barely 100km with MkII. I don't know if they'll be ever able to do 450km that many experiments use. Remember that apogee also means microgravity and above atmosphere time. Not to mention different layers of the atmosphere and magnetic field.

Yes... what part of "a different capability" was confusing?
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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #593 on: 01/22/2014 12:36 am »
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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #596 on: 02/08/2014 09:40 am »
do anyone know if the lynx will be capable of an autonomous or remotely piloted landing should the pilot have a bad day?

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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #597 on: 02/08/2014 10:22 am »
do anyone know if the lynx will be capable of an autonomous or remotely piloted landing should the pilot have a bad day?

Almost definitely not. The whole philosophy of XCOR is to keep automation to a minimum. I think it is not even a fly by wire aircraft.

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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #598 on: 02/08/2014 05:34 pm »

do anyone know if the lynx will be capable of an autonomous or remotely piloted landing should the pilot have a bad day?

Almost definitely not. The whole philosophy of XCOR is to keep automation to a minimum. I think it is not even a fly by wire aircraft.

Surprised to hear that it's that stripped down a vehicle.

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Re: XCOR and the Lynx rocket
« Reply #599 on: 02/27/2014 10:39 pm »
What are the chances Xcor will make it to 100km altitude before Virgin Galactic II?

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