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NASA Update - July 21
« on: 07/21/2009 04:05 PM »
Setting up a topic if anyone wants to comment on the NASA Update ongoing right now.

So far impressed with the presence of Ladwig, Bolden and Garver.  Engaging, humorous, but professional.
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #1 on: 07/21/2009 04:07 PM »
NASA Legislative Affairs took Bolden and Garver around the Hill.  LA told them to listen more to the legislators rather than having them talking.

Large group of both Bolden's and Garver's families attended the hearings.  Said it was like being at his own launch party.
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #2 on: 07/21/2009 04:09 PM »
Presser with Charlie Bolden:

I'll post any interesting notes from the presser for those interested.

Intro:
Most astronauts in one place at 13 for current sts-127/expedition 20

September new Hubble images

LRO has taken pictures of Apollo hardware giving definitive proof for all but the” knucklehead” conspiracy theorist.

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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #3 on: 07/21/2009 04:12 PM »
No questions today.  Will do that when visiting each Center and at later HQ all-hands.

Thanks Chris Scolese and Charles Scales for acting during the transition.

Mentions that he wants something from each Center Director and AA to find at least one thing they do that doesn't make sense - eliminate it or make it better.

Very, very candid and humorous.
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #4 on: 07/21/2009 04:14 PM »
Says call him Charlie, or formally Charles.  His family calls him Little Charles, his dad was Big Charles.  Doesn't respond to Chuck.

Considers himself a Marine still.  Says his leadership style is participatory.  Not as detailed as Lori Garver.  Garver knows policy and Washington and he doesn't.
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #5 on: 07/21/2009 04:14 PM »
Oh good.. someone is trascribing.. May has well put some pictures here as well then
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #6 on: 07/21/2009 04:14 PM »
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #7 on: 07/21/2009 04:15 PM »
Going to go for a more open management.

Has talked to the Union and looks forward to working with them.

Very fast talker with lots of jokes.

He says he has a participant style and is not detailed but his deputy makes up for his lack of detail.

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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #8 on: 07/21/2009 04:17 PM »
Self-professed environmentalist.  Wants to provide facts to policy-makers.

Doesn't think he was changed by going to space.  Thinks his perspective changed.

Talks about his religious background.  (Pretty unusual for a NASA person to do that)  Knows a little about a lot of religions through his friends.

Is "his mom and dad's child."  Marines was his other main influence.
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #9 on: 07/21/2009 04:18 PM »
Says he wants people to make a difference in kids' lives, theirs or someone else's by visiting schools.

Unabashed fan of Obama, does not profess preference for either party, social liberal and fiscal conservative (woo-hoo), says he's voted both ways and also not at all
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #10 on: 07/21/2009 04:20 PM »
Further to his not voting: 'I'm in the middle, and I like it that way'
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #11 on: 07/21/2009 04:20 PM »
Our job is to provide facts to policy makers so they can make good choices on protecting the Earth.

Unabashed fan of the President but not political. Tends to stay in the middle of the spectrum but is a Social Liberal and Fiscal Conservative if anything.

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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #12 on: 07/21/2009 04:21 PM »
IMO, this guy is great! He is funny, so warm and welcoming I find, that he is there to listen and make informed decisions for the best.
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #13 on: 07/21/2009 04:21 PM »
Says he recognizes that his and Lori's visits can be distractions and doesn't want them to be, but he will make them occasionally to show he's interested in what folks are doing.

Obama is smooth, everything you see on TV.  "I want to be as cool as the President and as eloquent as Neil Armstrong."  Chokes up talking about Armstrong.  Bolden says he (Bolden) cries a lot, gets moved by great things.  (I thought it sounded like he was choking up when talking about his experience in space above.)

Recites Obama's comments from yesterday.
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #14 on: 07/21/2009 04:23 PM »
Holy Moses, just finished the latest article, turned on the webcast and he's crying! Very emotional guy. Mike Griffin just fell off his chair if he's watching this :)

Very likable, but want to hear some hard facts.

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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #15 on: 07/21/2009 04:23 PM »
Wants everyone to have fun with their job.  His wife said, regarding last night when he was "whooping and hollering at the Smithsonian," that he's the Administrator and can't do that anymore.  (Crowd laughs).

This guy may be the anti-Griffin.
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #16 on: 07/21/2009 04:24 PM »

This guy may be the anti-Griffin.

I'm happy with that !!!!  :)
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #17 on: 07/21/2009 04:24 PM »
Says he wants people who are not excited about going to work every day to move on to something else.  (Rock on!)
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #18 on: 07/21/2009 04:26 PM »
"Life is too short to not have satisfaction (of your job)"
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #19 on: 07/21/2009 04:28 PM »
"We make news every day"

"No bad news get better with time"

"I want to be the first to break the bad news"

EDIT: Imo, I feel some big announcement is going to be coming in the not too distant future.
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #20 on: 07/21/2009 04:28 PM »
Introducing George Whitesides as Chief of Staff and Tina Palacios as his Executive Assistant.

Charlie says some of the things he says make George nervous.

Says what NASA does represents the President and the whole country.

Says only the DoD and NASA are in the news every day.  Says he loves the media, "a media-frenzied guy."  NASA cannot exist without the media.  Points out that some look for sensational things, and that some rush in to fill the void in the absence of facts.  Says he wants to be the guy who has to tell the bad news if there is any.

Says he doesn't mind NASA employees blogging, but he wants people to tell the bad news to their management too.
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #21 on: 07/21/2009 04:28 PM »
"Trust that we can handle bad news"

He really is the Anti-Griffin.. Holy Cow
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #22 on: 07/21/2009 04:29 PM »
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George Whitesides as Chief of Staff

This is very good news, IMHO
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #23 on: 07/21/2009 04:30 PM »
Ok, here we go. Notes the 13 on the ISS and how it represents every nation. Then goes off on a tangent about being the greatest nation on the Earth (apart from the UK - he said that, honest ;))

"I love the media!" (Wooot!) "They are an important entity. They help us tell our story."

"Some look for sensational things. The American media works that want to fill the void because there's got to be something said."

"I don't mind you going to a blogger.... (don't use that word please! But know where he's going with that)....but share them with Lori or me or your supervisor."

Ok, I officially like him now ;D

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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #24 on: 07/21/2009 04:31 PM »
Recognizes that what we do is risky and doesn't mind being the one conveying bad news.  Also recognizes that NASA employees need to recognize that we are in a tough business and should fear risk or conveying bad news up the line.

Says he's a hugger.  Yep, the Anti-Griffin.
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #25 on: 07/21/2009 04:31 PM »
Lori now gets the mike...tough act to follow.

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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #26 on: 07/21/2009 04:31 PM »
"I'm a hugger, I just hug people".

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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #27 on: 07/21/2009 04:31 PM »


Ok, I officially like him now ;D

Chris has a new friend  :)
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #28 on: 07/21/2009 04:31 PM »
Getting kind of sweet there...
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #29 on: 07/21/2009 04:32 PM »
Lori and Bolden hugging...that was a moment in time for me.  ;D
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #30 on: 07/21/2009 04:33 PM »
Garver coming on...

Suggests reading their statements at the confirmation hearings and the hearings' Q&A with the Senators.

"It's all about the people."

"We, the people of NASA, build the rockets."  Ummmm, :-\
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #31 on: 07/21/2009 04:37 PM »
"I pledge to learn what I can about all the amazing things we're doing at NASA so I can convey" them to the decision makers.

Also wants to improve communication with the public.  Talks about previous polling and focus groups done by NASA.

2 polling data points (population was only people with cell phones):

Positive impression of NASA was 72%.  Was 2nd only to the Centers for Disease Control 73%.  Apple was 63%

"So we're more popular than the iPod"

NASA was 59% highly or somewhat relevant to people's lives.
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #32 on: 07/21/2009 04:37 PM »
72% favorable rating for NASA?  Show's how little people know about what goes on behind the scenes at NASA.. although good that public supports NASA.

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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #33 on: 07/21/2009 04:37 PM »
Lori comes across well, friendly, nice counter for Charlie's emotion (not that she lacks emotion).

Obviously a clever lady.

Wants to communicate with the public (good).

Notes focus groups (tend to be useless). But notes good results.

Positive impression of NASA came in at 72 percent, second by CDC, and beat Apple :D

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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #34 on: 07/21/2009 04:38 PM »
Sounds like a lot of warmth is being conveyed.  That is good for people, especially in these tough times.

Hopefully, he can drive a cultural change to more openness.

I once heard from a former Marine that there are no "ex-marines".  Former Marines or retired Marines maybe, but they are still Marines to the core.  Charlie fits that persona too.

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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #35 on: 07/21/2009 04:39 PM »
"Not living up to Apollo Expectations.. "  Garver does not necessarily agree.

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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #36 on: 07/21/2009 04:40 PM »
Talking about relating to the media and the recent coverage of the Apollo anniversary.

She's very impressed with the level of attention.  The WaPo Outlook section over the weekend was 100% space related.  She asked Robert Gibbs if something like that had ever happened before.  He didn't think so.

Apollo was wonderful, but the media perception is that we haven't lived up to that since.  She doesn't necessarily agree.  Points out that there are 5 nations orbiting together right now.  "A peaceful end to the Cold War."  Should be communicating this message better.
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #37 on: 07/21/2009 04:41 PM »
Expects to be in "Oval office every other day." Sounds like they have good connection to POTUS
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #38 on: 07/21/2009 04:42 PM »
Talking about introducing the Apollo 11 astronauts to Pelosi, everyone at the White House wanted to meet them.

Compares this presentation style (Bolden and her sitting up in front) to Regis and Kathie Lee.
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #39 on: 07/21/2009 04:43 PM »
Lori Garver "Won the Lottery!"

I'm Happy to have someone so excited and enthusiastic about NASA and this monumental job ahead.
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #40 on: 07/21/2009 04:44 PM »
"Feelings are back" - Lori.

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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #41 on: 07/21/2009 04:45 PM »
Certainly are having a lot of laughs.. (guess they haven't seen their budget yet.... lol  )
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #42 on: 07/21/2009 04:47 PM »
Certainly are having a lot of laughs.. (guess they haven't seen their budget yet.... lol  )

Why does someone named Stockman talking about Budgets so amuse me..  Could be because of my former MI Congress Critter that worked OMB for Reagan.. LOL
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #43 on: 07/21/2009 04:47 PM »
Meeting with John Holdren later today.  (Obama's science advisor.)

(Going to have to recalibrate how long a Bolden 'minute' is :) )
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #44 on: 07/21/2009 04:47 PM »
Also met with the National Security Adviser yesterday, who is Charlie's old boss.  Says that NASA will play in with the national security strategy.  Met with OMB last week.

Points out that the Centers have a lot better "family" atmosphere than HQ does.  Attributes it to gathering facilities and occasions at the Centers.  Wants to try to make the Mall like that at HQ.  Opportunities to mingle and see each other in a more relaxed, family-type way.

Meeting with the Science Advisor, John Holdren, this afternoon.  Talking about the Space Policy review (not Augustine), led by the NSA (General Jones).
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #45 on: 07/21/2009 04:48 PM »
(Going to have to recalibrate how long a Bolden 'minute' is :) )

Thinking the same thing.
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« Reply #46 on: 07/21/2009 04:48 PM »
Don't fear the Augustine Commission - Charlie.

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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #47 on: 07/21/2009 04:49 PM »
Audience sitting there.. can't beleive no one raised there hand on that last question "anyone had someone come in and not ask the organization... " Shoot can't remember rest of quote.  But audience seemed very stoich.

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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #48 on: 07/21/2009 04:50 PM »
Bolden:  "Anyone in audience not want to see human's go to Mars?"
[not one person raises hand]
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« Reply #49 on: 07/21/2009 04:50 PM »
"We cannot continue on the path we're on. Who doesn't want to go to Mars?"

Questions if we're wasting time talking about the moon.
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #50 on: 07/21/2009 04:52 PM »
We all agree we want to go to Mars, but we don't agree on how to get there.  Acknowledges that some think the Moon doesn't need to be a part of that, some say ditch the Station as soon as possible.

Needs to organize the efforts into coherence.

Thanks Sens. Nelson and Hutchison for pushing the vote through.

Crying again.  "Incredibly proud to be here"
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #51 on: 07/21/2009 04:53 PM »
NASA "doesn't get a lot of money" ??? "Like Marine Corp.." Hmmm

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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #52 on: 07/21/2009 04:54 PM »
standing ovation...
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #53 on: 07/21/2009 04:54 PM »
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #54 on: 07/21/2009 04:55 PM »
NASA "doesn't get a lot of money" ??? "Like Marine Corp.." Hmmm

He has a point there, the USMC is the smallest of the services, and they do not have alot of money to procure new equipment, so they have to be cafeful on how they spend what they do have.
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #55 on: 07/21/2009 04:55 PM »
"Let's get back to work, and let's have some fun" as the guy on the podium says in closing.
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #56 on: 07/21/2009 04:57 PM »
That was probably better than PAO and a shuttle launch (without the rocket going up in the background of course). Amazing conference.
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #57 on: 07/21/2009 04:58 PM »
Thanks to everyone for the coverage.
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #58 on: 07/21/2009 04:59 PM »
I'm a bit flabbergasted :D Very likable, and gave a big push about space flight, hardly anything on airplanes etc. Big hint about Mars first.

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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #59 on: 07/21/2009 05:04 PM »
For those still in the system, it was my personal experience that it is OK to bring General Bolden the bad news.  John Shannon and Wayne Hale are the same.  Let's see what happens to mid management on this very important issue.

I agree that NASA has won the lotery on getting General Bolden.

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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #60 on: 07/21/2009 05:07 PM »
What are chances MSFC upper management get broomed?

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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #61 on: 07/21/2009 05:09 PM »
"We cannot continue on the path we're on. Who doesn't want to go to Mars?"

Questions if we're wasting time talking about the moon.

That comment right there gives a very big hint that CxP in it's current form is dead.  Augustine Commission aside, Charlie basically just said in my opinion that as NASA Administrator that "option" will not be seriously considered. 
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #62 on: 07/21/2009 05:25 PM »
What are chances MSFC upper management get broomed?

More likely that we just put a big dome over MSFC with a funnel on top (figuratively).  We just assume what goes in is a cost of doing business and hope nothing actually comes out.  Freeze them out and keep them fat, dumb and happy.
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #63 on: 07/21/2009 05:46 PM »
What are chances MSFC upper management get broomed?

It's not wise to taint an entire class of people in discussing such things... although being senior management at MSFC while all that crap went on and not saying anything is not a recommendation.

There is, however, a very real cadre of dishonest and often incompetent a-holes that need to be dealt with somehow.

Antares suggested MSFC as the new Siberia.

The technicals are interesting. Bolden can't take action such as reassigning senior bureaucrats for 120 days.

After that... well for what the group at MSFC has been documented as having actually pulled even Federal bureaucrats could be canned on the spot... but that would also bring up the specter of prosecutions so how likely would it be that Bolden would want to go there?

But I also don't think Bolden would want MSFC hanging there swimming in its own crap as Antares suggested, though... that money is needed to actually get things done...

Hmmm...


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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #64 on: 07/21/2009 06:06 PM »
I didn't catch this, is there anyway I can download it somewhere?
“It has long been recognized that the formation of a committee is a powerful technique for avoiding responsibility, deferring difficult decisions and averting blame….while at the same time maintaining a semblance of action.” Augustine's Law - Norm Augustine

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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #66 on: 07/21/2009 06:21 PM »
PAO said a little earlier during STS-127 coverage that this event is also going to be replayed on NASA TV a few times later today.

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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #67 on: 07/21/2009 06:29 PM »
Before getting too exited folks :) , remember your feelings and writings when Griffin replaced OKeefe.

Bolden will be - unless he has a really good, long lasting connection to Obama and Congress - budget limited. I simply don't see a Mars budget, nor even a Moon budget. But hey, surprise me.

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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #68 on: 07/21/2009 06:44 PM »
Before getting too exited folks :) , remember your feelings and writings when Griffin replaced OKeefe.

Bolden will be - unless he has a really good, long lasting connection to Obama and Congress - budget limited. I simply don't see a Mars budget, nor even a Moon budget. But hey, surprise me.

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Time will certainly tell. But I can say without a doubt I always liked O'Keef more than Griffin. Something struck me as a bit "off" right from the start with Griffin. Oh well, not the time nor place to discuss that.

It seems that we have two great people in power at NASA, and I am looking forward to seeing what they can do to fix the issues at NASA.
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #69 on: 07/21/2009 06:55 PM »
Before getting too exited folks :) , remember your feelings and writings when Griffin replaced OKeefe.
Well, enthusiasm like that is often contagious.  Still have lots of time to wait for things to happen, so there's still time for enthusiasm and hope and to also remember that Griffin, O'Keefe, Goldin, and so on made good first impressions, too.

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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #70 on: 07/21/2009 06:56 PM »
PAO said a little earlier during STS-127 coverage that this event is also going to be replayed on NASA TV a few times later today.
I believe the replay times I heard were 4, 6, and 8 pm Eastern.

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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #71 on: 07/21/2009 06:58 PM »
"We cannot continue on the path we're on. Who doesn't want to go to Mars?"

Questions if we're wasting time talking about the moon.

That comment right there gives a very big hint that CxP in it's current form is dead.  Augustine Commission aside, Charlie basically just said in my opinion that as NASA Administrator that "option" will not be seriously considered. 

For others: you really need to listen to it to understand the context. he qualified his remarks in saying:

1) Some want ISS beefed up...

2) Some want lunar...

3) Some want Mars...

...ECT (in essence). He then said we need a review to understand which is more important. He made sure to say this wasn't about dismissing the path they are currently on. It may change, but right now they are doing what they have been doing until told otherwise (basically, not paraphrased...I'm doing this from memory).

I encourrage EVERYONE who hasn't heard/seen this to do so, it's a hoot! I think many NSF member's opinions will shift from 'concerned' to 'optomistic' once they see it.
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #72 on: 07/21/2009 07:40 PM »
I am surprised you were excited about this conference. It was emotional but there was no content to it. They were kind of introducing themselves. I imagine we will get content later.

His comment about everybody wanting to go to Mars doesn't mean we won't go to the moon first. He just said that to show that everybody agrees on the goal but it's the specifics where some people disagree.
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #73 on: 07/21/2009 08:02 PM »
Replay has started!
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #74 on: 07/21/2009 08:03 PM »
I am surprised you were excited about this conference. It was emotional but there was no content to it. They were kind of introducing themselves. I imagine we will get content later.

His comment about everybody wanting to go to Mars doesn't mean we won't go to the moon first. He just said that to show that everybody agrees on the goal but its the specifics where some people disagree.

It's to put things into context for people here & who love NASA. If the Griffin days bummed you out, this is a breath of fresh air.
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #75 on: 07/21/2009 08:24 PM »
I liked Griffin. So perhaps that's why I am not as excited by this update. Although I am not convinced that the new path will be very different from the old path.
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #76 on: 07/21/2009 08:35 PM »
The right approach doesn't exclude any of the others.

I'm really sick of all those people who frame this debate in such a way to make it appear that this new exploration program has to be primarily about only one single destination.

This does not have to be about the ISS or the Moon or NEO's or Phobos or Mars or anywhere else for that matter.

With a carefully thought out approach the right choices can lead to a program which can reach all of those destinations very efficiently.

Of course, trying to hear the details about such a plan is really difficult given the extremely loud shouts of the purely "partisan" factions drowning out everything else.   But it exists none-the-less for those determined enough to try to find it.

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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #77 on: 07/21/2009 08:38 PM »
I like this guy. I was skeptical, but I'm starting to really like this guy.
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #78 on: 07/21/2009 08:43 PM »
Which guy are you talking about?

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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #79 on: 07/21/2009 08:48 PM »
I'm talking about 'Charlie' Bolden. My respect for this guy went up 2 notches after hearing him speak. Of course time will tell, but I feel NASA is in good hands now.
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #80 on: 07/21/2009 08:57 PM »
Current update on Bill Harwood's site has an interview with Bolden and Garver:
http://www.cbsnews.com/network/news/space/current.html

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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #81 on: 07/21/2009 09:15 PM »
I respect Mr. Bolden for his career accomplishments.
I wish him all the best in the new job.
I have never seen anything like that (cry and hug a lot) but I hope it augurs well for NASA.
I miss Dr.Griffin's gravitas.
 
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #82 on: 07/21/2009 09:16 PM »
I think Bolden and Garver both gave excellent responses in their hearings.   But I'm going to wait and let their actions speak for them before forming my opinions about them.

When Griffin came in, I remember being all excited and happy about his appointment.   But that was a horrible mistake.   I really don't want this to go a similar way.

At this stage, I'm simply going to say that I hope they are both "good hands" for the agency and that from the brief views I have seen so far, they have impressed me.   But they sure have one heckuva clean up job ahead of them!

I hope they can do it right.   I wish them both luck.

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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #83 on: 07/21/2009 09:58 PM »
For the first time in a long time, I'm strategically optimistic and I think the current is starting to flow to the spark igniter of my excitement.  "I don't do feelings" has been replaced by "I'm a crier / I'm a hugger."  Not that I'm looking for that, it just nicely juxtaposes the potentially massive difference from the last 4 years.  If the tone he set today diffuses out to the whole Agency it could change things quite a bit.  I don't think anyone in NASA is 1960s-excited about Constellation.

I really hope people listen to his comment about not being excited every day and needing to find something else to do if that's the case.
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« Reply #84 on: 07/22/2009 01:46 AM »
Bolden also mentioned that his former boss General James Jones, now the National Security Advisor, is running a review of all space programs, both military and civilian in order to come up with a national space policy. The other day there was also a recommendation from the National Academy of Sciences (I think) about NASA's science program in which General Lester Lyles, who is of course also a member of the Augustine commission, played a role. It looks as if space is quite important to the Obama administration and I wonder if it is significant that some of the key people involved are high-ranking military men.
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #85 on: 07/22/2009 02:10 AM »
I once heard from a former Marine that there are no "ex-marines".  Former Marines or retired Marines maybe, but they are still Marines to the core.  Charlie fits that persona too.

This is VERY true!  I was in the Core in the '70's and still remember it as yesterday!  There are NO ex-Marines... it's sort of a brotherhood you never leave.   ;D

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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #86 on: 07/22/2009 03:53 AM »
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n/a/2009/07/21/national/a120046D63.DTL

NASA boss: Astronauts on Mars in his lifetime

Bolden said in an interview that his main job over the next few months will be to champion an "agreed-upon compromise strategy to get first to Mars and then beyond. And we don't have that yet."

"I did grow up watching Buck Rogers, and Buck Rogers didn't stop at Mars," Bolden said in an interview with The Associated Press. "In my lifetime, I will be incredibly disappointed if we have not at least reached Mars."
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #87 on: 07/22/2009 04:01 AM »
Wasn't there something about Charlie's meeting with Obama where the Pres said no or no comment on Mars? Seems like I read that somewhere, NW IIRC.
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Re: NASA Update - July 21
« Reply #88 on: 07/22/2009 04:17 AM »
You also have to note Bolden's comment today during his first NASA TV talk that the agency could NOT continue down the current path it was going down.  And he said that several times in his summation at the end of his talk with Lori Garver.  Things are going to be changing at NASA come next fiscal year, hopefully for the better...
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« Reply #89 on: 07/22/2009 04:45 PM »
I once heard from a former Marine that there are no "ex-marines".  Former Marines or retired Marines maybe, but they are still Marines to the core.  Charlie fits that persona too.

This is VERY true!  I was in the Core in the '70's and still remember it as yesterday!  There are NO ex-Marines... it's sort of a brotherhood you never leave.   ;D

Just a reminder, just because he is a hugger/crier doesn't mean that he will hesitate for a second before kicking butt. He is a Marine, he has dealt with life and death decisions and mealy mouthed, butt covering, space filling, time wasters are going to get their heads handed to them. Something that is long over due at NASA IMO.
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