You're saying you know there's not a single THEL up there? We have no ability to destroy sats and neither does anyone else? I find that very difficult to believe. I can imagine that "hunter-killers" are obsolete once you can shoot far with say, an asat missle off a frigate or a THEL in orbit. Since we know where everything is, there's no need to "hunt." You just shoot. But if asats don't exist, it can only be because a more viable technology has replaced the notion.Can you say what use HEO is to classified tech?
1. You're saying you know there's not a single THEL up there? 2. We have no ability to destroy sats and neither does anyone else? I find that very difficult to believe. I can imagine that "hunter-killers" are obsolete once you can shoot far with say, an asat missle off a frigate or a THEL in orbit. Since we know where everything is, there's no need to "hunt." You just shoot. 3. But if asats don't exist, it can only be because a more viable technology has replaced the notion.
Just a quick question for the orbital mechanics guys:I have it on good authority we have classified stuff in HEO. I just have never understood why. Given it takes as much energy to go down as it does to go up, what use is HEO?Unless. . .unless these are classified hunter-killers in highly elliptical orbits? If their orbit ran below GSO or even LEO, then it would cross those orbits at very high speed and have opportunities for what are essentially strafing runs. And here's the real question: what's the delta V necessary to modify such an orbit? Perhaps you could adjust the orbit relatively easily that such a hunter-killer could approach anything in GSO or Leo given enough time?
Can you say what use HEO is to classified tech?
It is "trivial". Protecting against it is very hard. I am so glad Sadam never thought of this idea. It would have been very effective.
Quote from: Danny Dot on 06/30/2009 04:41 amIt is "trivial". Protecting against it is very hard. I am so glad Sadam never thought of this idea. It would have been very effective.Saddam _did_ think of this idea.http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/other/laser.htm
1. THEL's are traditionally chemical and as such are very heavy, but it's easy to imagine a system fitting on a Delta IV or Atlas V that would be capable of several shots. 2. In the future, I think it's a no-brainer to use PV arrays and large EEStor type caps storage with solid state lasers.
.BTW, I don't think the Chinese have the ability to shoot ASAT missiles to GEO. The stuff is too high but I believe that "test" we did last year off the frigate was to GEO, was it not?
THEL's are traditionally chemical and as such are very heavy,
BTW, I don't think the Chinese have the ability to shoot ASAT missiles to GEO. The stuff is too high but I believe that "test" we did last year off the frigate was to GEO, was it not?
Quote from: gospacex on 07/01/2009 08:06 pmQuote from: Danny Dot on 06/30/2009 04:41 amIt is "trivial". Protecting against it is very hard. I am so glad Sadam never thought of this idea. It would have been very effective.Saddam _did_ think of this idea.http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/other/laser.htmThanks for the link. Glad he didn't think of the ideas we were looking into. It would have been much, much worse that pointing a laser range finder at someone. That is all I am going to say. I really don't want some of the stuff we were looking at do go public. Implementing our evil ideas is way, way to easy. Danny Deger
Quote from: GI-Thruster on 07/01/2009 08:16 pmTHEL's are traditionally chemical and as such are very heavy,THEL hasn't made it to the battlefield and ABL is still months/years away. ABL needs a whole 747.
Quote from: GI-Thruster on 07/01/2009 07:14 pmCan you say what use HEO is to classified tech?Here is what I have found in my readings.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_Data_Systemhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumpseat_(satellite)http://twins.swri.edu/mission.jsp#orbitshttp://www.lockheedmartin.com/products/SpaceBasedInfraredSystemHigh/http://www.fas.org/spp/military/program/warning/heritage.htmhttp://www.fas.org/spp/military/program/warning/sbir.htmhttp://www.fas.org/spp/military/program/warning/cobrabrass.htmhttp://www.fas.org/spp/military/program/com/polar.htmhttp://www.fas.org/spp/military/program/com/sds_1.htm
snipDanny, this stuff was in Life magazine in the early 1990's. I put it in a paper on philosophy of technology around 1993 or so, along with microwave weapons, human motion enhancement, anti-aging tech and some other then cutting-edge stuff. Nothing new here except that now, we really can turn a human into a greasy spot on the ground with our evil death rays whereas that was just a dream 15 years ago.
Quote from: GI-Thruster on 07/01/2009 08:16 pm.BTW, I don't think the Chinese have the ability to shoot ASAT missiles to GEO. The stuff is too high but I believe that "test" we did last year off the frigate was to GEO, was it not?Very low LEO. There has been no GEO ASAT capability by anyone.
1. 150 kW is enough to protect our sats from attack in orbit, 2. especially if the HALLADS is in orbit. 3. A 50 kW BLP reactor is the size of a basketball