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LIVE: STS-125 Flight Day 12 - EOM - WAVE OFF Landing Ops
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Chris Bergin
on 21 May, 2009 22:42
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#1
by
Chris Bergin
on 21 May, 2009 22:43
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First opportunity, orbit 165 - WAVED OFF.
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#2
by
Chris Bergin
on 21 May, 2009 22:44
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Second opportunity, orbit 166: WAVED OFF
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#3
by
shaula1247
on 21 May, 2009 23:59
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#4
by
Ford Mustang
on 22 May, 2009 00:35
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#5
by
stockman
on 22 May, 2009 01:58
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The Roses have arrive in MCC
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#6
by
maxx
on 22 May, 2009 06:08
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wake-up song:
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#7
by
shaula1247
on 22 May, 2009 08:42
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Atlantis has completed IMU align
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#8
by
shaula1247
on 22 May, 2009 08:52
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Weather in Florida dynamic. Crosswind right at the limit, showers in area. Next decision point just prior to payload bay door closing. Plan is to press on to that point.
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#9
by
marshallsplace
on 22 May, 2009 08:56
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#10
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Chris Bergin
on 22 May, 2009 09:23
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Weather in Florida dynamic. Crosswind right at the limit, showers in area. Next decision point just prior to payload bay door closing. Plan is to press on to that point.
Good spot. They just reconfirmed that with Scooter.
Go/No Go on PLBD Closure for the first opportunity.
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#11
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Chris Bergin
on 22 May, 2009 09:25
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Hold off on radiator bypass to FES - step before PLBD closure. Waiting on next weather check....30 mins from now.
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#12
by
Chris Bergin
on 22 May, 2009 09:36
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Big picture:
No decision yet. Lost redundacy to a TDRS sat. Another failure and we'll lose communications.
Still looking at weather, holding at bypass to FES.
Do not proceed past if we lose comm. Might lose comm for an hour if we lose the TDRS, which is on the pass coming up in two mins.
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#13
by
shaula1247
on 22 May, 2009 09:38
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No decision on landing yet.
Have lost redundancy with failure of TDRS 171 so next failure may result in long comms interruptions.
Atlantis not to go past RAD bypass step in checklist without specific confirmation. In absence of comms, hold before that step.
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#14
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shaula1247
on 22 May, 2009 09:42
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Anyone have any more info on TDRS 171 failure?
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#15
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Chris Bergin
on 22 May, 2009 09:43
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Atlantis told to stay in VERNS. On the handover to the TDRS that's on redundancy right now. Was a two minute handover and nothing heard since.
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#16
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Chris Bergin
on 22 May, 2009 09:50
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Steve Lindsey isn't taking off in a T-38 until the weather improves. Not looking all that likely for today so far!
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#17
by
shaula1247
on 22 May, 2009 09:54
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Still nothing heard.
I'm looking north and waving but no response.
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#18
by
Chris Bergin
on 22 May, 2009 09:57
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Comm check, they LOST TDRS 171, moved to 174 - which has worked, but will only be for 8 minutes. Working to extend it, otherwise their will be lengthy loss of comms.
WAVE OFF FIRST OPPORTUNITY.
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#19
by
shaula1247
on 22 May, 2009 09:57
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Comms restore.
Lost further redundancy on TDRS 171. Working on using 174. Wave off on landing on this attempt.
Remain in VERNS and no backout required.
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#20
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shaula1247
on 22 May, 2009 09:58
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Have comms for another 6 or 7 minutes.
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#21
by
Chris Bergin
on 22 May, 2009 10:01
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Still nothing heard.
I'm looking north and waving but no response.
I'll get you a phone number and you can hold it next to the NTV feed for the crew
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#22
by
shaula1247
on 22 May, 2009 10:01
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Now going through some backout steps, minor and the result of a reassess
Also passing up some steps for about 1hr 10 in the future. Comms are really in a mess if they are working that far in front!
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#23
by
Colds7ream
on 22 May, 2009 10:01
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What's up with the TDRS, folks?
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#24
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Chris Bergin
on 22 May, 2009 10:02
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They've got the loss of TDRS down to 30 minutes, hoping to making it less.
"Looking forward to speaking to you on the other side" - Scooter.
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#25
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shaula1247
on 22 May, 2009 10:02
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Two and a half minutes until a 30 minute handover. Working on satellite configs to make that smaller if possible.
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#26
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Chris Bergin
on 22 May, 2009 10:04
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Second Rev Deorbit burn at 9:34am Central (3:34pm UK)
Would result in landing at 10:39am Central (4:39pm UK).
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#27
by
cb6785
on 22 May, 2009 10:04
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Comm check, they LOST TDRS 171, moved to 174 - which has worked, but will only be for 8 minutes. Working to extend it, otherwise their will be lengthy loss of comms.
What exactly is TDRS 171? One of the S-band systems? And if so, on which satellite?
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#28
by
ichilton
on 22 May, 2009 10:04
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Hi,
Do all the different types of comms/bands go through TDRS? - is there no other way to communicate?
Is the TDRS problem due to satellite problems? - if they've gone faulty I assume they will have to launch another?
Ian
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#29
by
shaula1247
on 22 May, 2009 10:04
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Weather still not looking good
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#30
by
Chris Bergin
on 22 May, 2009 10:05
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Not great. Some hope for the second rev due to potential for gaps in the weather.
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#31
by
shaula1247
on 22 May, 2009 10:06
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Comm check, they LOST TDRS 171, moved to 174 - which has worked, but will only be for 8 minutes. Working to extend it, otherwise their will be lengthy loss of comms.
What exactly is TDRS 171? One of the S-band systems? And if so, on which satellite?
As I understand it, TDRS 171 is a satellite!
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#32
by
Colds7ream
on 22 May, 2009 10:11
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I think it's TDRS E/5, at 171.0°W, designator 1991-054B. Launched on STS-43 out of, ironically, Atlantis. :-)
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#33
by
shaula1247
on 22 May, 2009 10:14
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If all else fails, Atlantis will be in direct ground comms soon.
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#34
by
Chris Bergin
on 22 May, 2009 10:14
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I'm pretty sure we have the TDRS map for STS-125 on one of the STS-125 MOD FRR presentations on L2. If someone can find it (I can't multitask
feel free to screenshot it into here.
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#35
by
cb6785
on 22 May, 2009 10:16
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I think it's TDRS E/5, at 171.0°W, designator 1991-054B. Launched on STS-43 out of, ironically, Atlantis. :-)
Thanks =) Couldn't make any sense of 171 with just 9 TDRS ever launched.
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#36
by
shaula1247
on 22 May, 2009 10:17
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TDRS 171 is back!. Have comm check with Atlantis.
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#37
by
Chris Bergin
on 22 May, 2009 10:17
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Launched on STS-43 out of, ironically, Atlantis. :-)
And 171 returns the favor to Atlantis by returning to life. Comm check is good.
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#38
by
burningjoe
on 22 May, 2009 10:17
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Ah, 171 is back again. It's way too quiet otherwise.
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#39
by
shaula1247
on 22 May, 2009 10:19
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I think it's TDRS E/5, at 171.0°W, designator 1991-054B. Launched on STS-43 out of, ironically, Atlantis. :-)
Some coincinence isn't it. By the way, does Ankh Morpork have comms satellites? Is there a stable orbit about a disc?
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#40
by
shaula1247
on 22 May, 2009 10:21
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Now there is an orbit with a difference.
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#41
by
Colds7ream
on 22 May, 2009 10:23
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Now there is an orbit with a difference.
Ooh! Interesting! :-D
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#42
by
cb6785
on 22 May, 2009 10:23
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I'm pretty sure we have the TDRS map for STS-125 on one of the STS-125 MOD FRR presentations on L2. If someone can find it (I can't multitask feel free to screenshot it into here.
This one includes some of the TDRS. It's mainly for STS-400...but I guess it should be the same.
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#43
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Chris Bergin
on 22 May, 2009 10:26
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#44
by
shaula1247
on 22 May, 2009 10:31
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That weather shot does not seem to be improving rapidly but the storm band is moving north slowly. Trouble is, there is another one behind it!
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#45
by
Chris Bergin
on 22 May, 2009 10:33
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Possible WCS related messages - no action required. They are looking at it. (No further info before someone asks).
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#46
by
Chris Bergin
on 22 May, 2009 10:33
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FDA to inhibit on Step 66. "We're going to continue to look at the issue".
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#47
by
shaula1247
on 22 May, 2009 10:35
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No action on spec 66 messages, may be due to WCS. MCC going to inhibit FDA for spec 66 messages and look at the problem further.
I don't know what that means but hopefully someone can explain.
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#48
by
shaula1247
on 22 May, 2009 10:41
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PAO:
First landing opp waved off.
Second opportunity requires OMS burn at 9:44.
PLBD closure for second opportunity is at about 1:11 from now. RAD bypass to FES in about 57 min for that opportunity.
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#49
by
Chris Bergin
on 22 May, 2009 10:42
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71 minutes to PLBD closure - if approved.
Three hours to the deorbit burn - if approved.
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#50
by
psloss
on 22 May, 2009 10:48
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During the recap, Kyle Herring also noted that a decision on the payload bay door close activities would be around 7:40 am Eastern. (Heavy emphasis on 'around' -- could be before or after.)
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#51
by
shaula1247
on 22 May, 2009 10:50
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Spec 66 O2 flow messages. May have been intermittent valve in WCS. Asking for cycle of WCS control handle.
"That's the handle used in operating the commode?"
"That's affirm."
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#52
by
Chris Bergin
on 22 May, 2009 10:51
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Double post, but liked the laughter. Basically "Flush the bog, that'll sort it"
Next time someone goes to the toliet, ask them to make sure they cycle the control handle"
Spec 66 O2 Flow Messages:
"We might of seen a problem with the valve in the WCS, intermittent
"We'd like to see you cycle the WCS control handle.
"I understand that's the handle we use for the commode." - Scooter.
(Laughter at MCC)
"What else could I call it" - Scooter.
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#53
by
Chris Bergin
on 22 May, 2009 10:53
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And that's worked, no further action.
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#54
by
shaula1247
on 22 May, 2009 10:54
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Cabin O2 flow.
Saw the cycle. No further action required.
Space plumbing! It's bad enough with gravity. Unblocking the loo (or to be more correct, dunny) without gravity beggars description
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#55
by
shaula1247
on 22 May, 2009 11:02
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Cabin O2 flow. Reenable channel 22 for caution and warning. MCC sees no further problem for that system.
Meanwhile, the latest prediction, subject to lots of caveats, is:
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#56
by
shaula1247
on 22 May, 2009 11:04
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Coming up to time for reorientation of orbiter to promote cold soak of electronics bays to give additional protection against reentry.
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#57
by
Retired Downrange
on 22 May, 2009 11:05
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...how many times have all of had to go:
"wiggle that handle" to make sure it fully stops the flow.
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#58
by
mikes
on 22 May, 2009 11:08
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#59
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Chris Bergin
on 22 May, 2009 11:18
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We hope...
FES Pri B to ON.
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#60
by
Chris Bergin
on 22 May, 2009 11:30
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Leaving Radiator Bypass to FES as long as possible to allow for more weather info.
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#61
by
shaula1247
on 22 May, 2009 11:30
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Big picture:
Having better luck with satellites with good comms going forward.
Want to delay RAD bypass checkout by approx 15 min to allow more consideration of weather.
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#62
by
psloss
on 22 May, 2009 11:49
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Big picture words now -- formally waved off for the day.
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#63
by
NavySpaceFan
on 22 May, 2009 11:50
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Wave off for the day.
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#64
by
Chris Bergin
on 22 May, 2009 11:50
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"No value in waiting for a few more hours."
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#65
by
psloss
on 22 May, 2009 11:54
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Looks pretty mushy around the tow-way...
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#66
by
mikes
on 22 May, 2009 11:55
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What are the times for tomorrow's opportunities?
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#67
by
ichilton
on 22 May, 2009 11:56
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Bumber
- must be a horrible feeling to know you might be heading home today and then told that you have to go sit around doing nothing for 24 hours
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#68
by
rfoshaug
on 22 May, 2009 11:57
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Yes, just staying in orbit and enjoying the view must be a horrible thing.
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#69
by
NavySpaceFan
on 22 May, 2009 12:08
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Bumber - must be a horrible feeling to know you might be heading home today and then told that you have to go sit around doing nothing for 24 hours
Ha! Try having your return home delayed for weeks. Seriously, it's best they make a decision and pass the word sooner rather than later, takes all the stress out the situation
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#70
by
Ronsmytheiii
on 22 May, 2009 12:13
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#71
by
EirikV
on 22 May, 2009 12:13
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Tomorrow, the first landing opportunity at Kennedy Space Center is at 9:16 a.m.
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#72
by
Ronsmytheiii
on 22 May, 2009 12:22
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Scooter: We are enjoying the view
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#73
by
Chris Bergin
on 22 May, 2009 12:26
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Ok, ASA heavy article will now be tomorrow. Will round up Atlantis and also cover Endeavour's move to Pad 39A (pre-empt) pad repairs (we have photos) and so on instead.
Will be on in about 30 mins. Already modified the current article for the wave off.
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#74
by
jacqmans
on 22 May, 2009 12:48
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Saturday Landing Opportunities
9:16 a.m. Orbit 180 landing at Kennedy (deorbit burn at 8:02 a.m.)
10:46 a.m. Orbit 181 landing at Edwards (deorbit burn at 9:29 a.m.)
10:54 a.m. Orbit 181 landing at Kennedy (deorbit burn at 9:46 a.m.)
12:24 p.m. Orbit 182 landing at Edwards (deorbit burn at 11:12 a.m.)
Sunday Landing Opportunities
10:01 a.m. Orbit 196 landing at Edwards (deorbit burn at 8:42 a.m.)
10:04 a.m. Orbit 196 landing at White Sands (deorbit burn at 8:46
a.m.)
10:10 a.m. Orbit 196 landing at Kennedy (deorbit burn at 8:57 a.m.)
11:39 a.m. Orbit 197 landing at Edwards (deorbit burn at 10:24 a.m.)
11:42 a.m. Orbit 197 landing at White Sands (deorbit burn at 10:29
a.m.)
11:48 a.m. Orbit 197 landing at Kennedy (deorbit burn at 10:42 a.m.)
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#75
by
Danny Dot
on 22 May, 2009 12:56
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Will they land at Edwards tomorrow if Kennedy is no-go?
Danny Deger
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#76
by
rdale
on 22 May, 2009 13:01
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Not per earlier conversations, but nothing has been announced since.
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#77
by
mikes
on 22 May, 2009 13:04
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Thanks Jacques!
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#78
by
Chris Bergin
on 22 May, 2009 13:10
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In Group C powerdown.
Repeat after me "anywhere but White Sands".
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#79
by
NavySpaceFan
on 22 May, 2009 13:13
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In Group C powerdown.
Repeat after me "anywhere but White Sands".
Concur, they'll be blowing gypsum out of
Atlantis from now until she's decommissioned if they land at White Sands. They were still finding that stuff on
Columbia years after STS-3.
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#80
by
MarsMethanogen
on 22 May, 2009 13:16
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In Group C powerdown.
Repeat after me "anywhere but White Sands".
I'm with you, but I have to tell you that ironically, I'm driving through New Mexico Saturday on my way from Denver to Tucson!!! Wouldn't that be special if I saw it fly overhead on its entry to Northrup strip.
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#81
by
Moonbase_Alphan
on 22 May, 2009 13:17
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I think it's TDRS E/5, at 171.0°W, designator 1991-054B. Launched on STS-43 out of, ironically, Atlantis. :-)
The F5 satellite, which is currently called 171, was moved about 6 months ago and is actually located at 167.5° longitude. And the TDRS West satellite, which had been at 174, is now at 171° longitude.
At some point the satellite designators will be updated to their actual longitudes, but for the moment the naming convention is, uh, a bit off.
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#82
by
psloss
on 22 May, 2009 13:17
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In Group C powerdown.
Repeat after me "anywhere but White Sands".
Concur, they'll be blowing gypsum out of Atlantis from now until she's decommissioned if they land at White Sands. They were still finding that stuff on Columbia years after STS-3.
That's not as much of an issue now; it's more the "hit" to turnaround time. There was a long discussion about this during STS-116 when KSC and EDW (well, and NOR) were marginal in the days prior to landing:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=5815.0Edwards weather looks fine, so the issue is whether there's any hope tomorrow or Sunday at KSC. If not, then the question is when they'll land at Edwards.
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#83
by
Moonbase_Alphan
on 22 May, 2009 13:35
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Is the TDRS problem due to satellite problems? - if they've gone faulty I assume they will have to launch another?
TDRS stands for tracking and data relay satellite. They have no spares in the inventory.
the problem was actualy out at White Sands. No problems with the satellites.
currently there are two TDRS in on-orbit storage that will eventually be put into use after the older satellites lose their capabilities, but those will take months to maneuver and put into service.
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#84
by
NavySpaceFan
on 22 May, 2009 13:48
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In Group C powerdown.
Repeat after me "anywhere but White Sands".
Concur, they'll be blowing gypsum out of Atlantis from now until she's decommissioned if they land at White Sands. They were still finding that stuff on Columbia years after STS-3.
That's not as much of an issue now; it's more the "hit" to turnaround time. There was a long discussion about this during STS-116 when KSC and EDW (well, and NOR) were marginal in the days prior to landing:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=5815.0
Edwards weather looks fine, so the issue is whether there's any hope tomorrow or Sunday at KSC. If not, then the question is when they'll land at Edwards.
Thanks for the link, quite a spirited conversation! I did not know that they had a protected facility at WS to keep gypsum contamination to a minimum, learned something new today!
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#85
by
Chris Bergin
on 22 May, 2009 13:56
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#86
by
voyager
on 22 May, 2009 14:20
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#87
by
Chris Bergin
on 22 May, 2009 14:24
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#88
by
toddbronco2
on 22 May, 2009 14:51
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what time zone are we talking about, Eastern (like Cape Canaveral), Central (like Johnson), or Pacific (like Edwards)?
Saturday Landing Opportunities
9:16 a.m. Orbit 180 landing at Kennedy (deorbit burn at 8:02 a.m.)
10:46 a.m. Orbit 181 landing at Edwards (deorbit burn at 9:29 a.m.)
10:54 a.m. Orbit 181 landing at Kennedy (deorbit burn at 9:46 a.m.)
12:24 p.m. Orbit 182 landing at Edwards (deorbit burn at 11:12 a.m.)
Sunday Landing Opportunities
10:01 a.m. Orbit 196 landing at Edwards (deorbit burn at 8:42 a.m.)
10:04 a.m. Orbit 196 landing at White Sands (deorbit burn at 8:46
a.m.)
10:10 a.m. Orbit 196 landing at Kennedy (deorbit burn at 8:57 a.m.)
11:39 a.m. Orbit 197 landing at Edwards (deorbit burn at 10:24 a.m.)
11:42 a.m. Orbit 197 landing at White Sands (deorbit burn at 10:29
a.m.)
11:48 a.m. Orbit 197 landing at Kennedy (deorbit burn at 10:42 a.m.)
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#89
by
dsmillman
on 22 May, 2009 14:55
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what time zone are we talking about, Eastern (like Cape Canaveral), Central (like Johnson), or Pacific (like Edwards)?
Saturday Landing Opportunities
9:16 a.m. Orbit 180 landing at Kennedy (deorbit burn at 8:02 a.m.)
10:46 a.m. Orbit 181 landing at Edwards (deorbit burn at 9:29 a.m.)
10:54 a.m. Orbit 181 landing at Kennedy (deorbit burn at 9:46 a.m.)
12:24 p.m. Orbit 182 landing at Edwards (deorbit burn at 11:12 a.m.)
Sunday Landing Opportunities
10:01 a.m. Orbit 196 landing at Edwards (deorbit burn at 8:42 a.m.)
10:04 a.m. Orbit 196 landing at White Sands (deorbit burn at 8:46
a.m.)
10:10 a.m. Orbit 196 landing at Kennedy (deorbit burn at 8:57 a.m.)
11:39 a.m. Orbit 197 landing at Edwards (deorbit burn at 10:24 a.m.)
11:42 a.m. Orbit 197 landing at White Sands (deorbit burn at 10:29
a.m.)
11:48 a.m. Orbit 197 landing at Kennedy (deorbit burn at 10:42 a.m.)
These times are EDT.
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#90
by
Moonbase_Alphan
on 22 May, 2009 14:59
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what time zone are we talking about, Eastern (like Cape Canaveral), Central (like Johnson), or Pacific (like Edwards)?
those are Eastern
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#91
by
shuttlefanatic
on 22 May, 2009 18:10
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Saturday Landing Opportunities
9:16 a.m. Orbit 180 landing at Kennedy (deorbit burn at 8:02 a.m.)
10:46 a.m. Orbit 181 landing at Edwards (deorbit burn at 9:29 a.m.)
10:54 a.m. Orbit 181 landing at Kennedy (deorbit burn at 9:46 a.m.)
12:24 p.m. Orbit 182 landing at Edwards (deorbit burn at 11:12 a.m.)
Sunday Landing Opportunities
10:01 a.m. Orbit 196 landing at Edwards (deorbit burn at 8:42 a.m.)
10:04 a.m. Orbit 196 landing at White Sands (deorbit burn at 8:46
a.m.)
10:10 a.m. Orbit 196 landing at Kennedy (deorbit burn at 8:57 a.m.)
11:39 a.m. Orbit 197 landing at Edwards (deorbit burn at 10:24 a.m.)
11:42 a.m. Orbit 197 landing at White Sands (deorbit burn at 10:29
a.m.)
11:48 a.m. Orbit 197 landing at Kennedy (deorbit burn at 10:42 a.m.)
NASA TV schedule is showing a third KSC opportunity Saturday on orbit 182 with deorbit at 11:21 and landing at 12:33 (EDT)
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#92
by
Ronsmytheiii
on 22 May, 2009 18:47
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Will the landing strip even be there tomorrow?
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#93
by
nathan.moeller
on 22 May, 2009 19:31
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Apologies if this has been addressed, but here come my two questions for the day.
1. If the weather is bad at KSC tomorrow, but the forecast for Sunday is good, will they wait for the Sunday opportunities, even if they have a chance to land at Edwards?
2. Does anyone have the ground tracks for tomorrow?
Thanks!
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#94
by
psloss
on 22 May, 2009 20:03
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1. If the weather is bad at KSC tomorrow, but the forecast for Sunday is good, will they wait for the Sunday opportunities, even if they have a chance to land at Edwards?
I think that's still to-be-determined. Edwards will be called up tomorrow (but not Northrup). The KSC Sunday forecast may be a little short of "good" at this point.
2. Does anyone have the ground tracks for tomorrow?
Nothing yet on nasa.gov (as you know), but they have shown a few on NASA TV today for orbit 180 and 181. Eyeballing the KSC ground tracks, they look similar to today's.
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#95
by
shuttlefanatic
on 22 May, 2009 22:00
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#96
by
SgtBulldog
on 23 May, 2009 00:13
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#97
by
MKremer
on 23 May, 2009 00:47
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Saturday landing tracks up on nasa.gov:
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/shuttlemissions/sts125/news/landing.html
It's been so cloudy and rainy around TX that the reentry may not be visible, but here are the lucky-duckies for the KSC reentries almost overhead -
#1 McAllen/Brownsville (S for Corpus Christi)
#2 El Paso/Abilene/Dallas/Ft.Worth (N for Waco)
#3 Corpus Christi (N for Brownsville, S. for Victoria)
feel free to screenshot it into here.
- must be a horrible feeling to know you might be heading home today and then told that you have to go sit around doing nothing for 24 hours