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Re: SpaceX Falcon 1 Launch 5 - May, 2009 (RazakSat)
« Reply #80 on: 03/17/2009 09:54 pm »
Nice update - It clearly says as well that the launch is scheduled for April 20th.. Maybe someone should change the header on this forum topic to reflect that as opposed to "May, 2009"...

Nice to have a firm date to look forward to instead of a nebulous Range of dates..


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Re: SpaceX Falcon 1 Launch 5 - May, 2009 (RazakSat)
« Reply #81 on: 03/18/2009 01:25 am »
After months of looking at the Falcon 9 the Falcon 1 actually looks... small.  Is it just my imagination or does it look like the have put the thermal protection foam on the 1st stage again?  Hope they did, would LOVE to see the 1st stage get recovered.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 1 Launch 5 - May, 2009 (RazakSat)
« Reply #82 on: 03/18/2009 02:41 am »
...  Is it just my imagination or does it look like the have put the thermal protection foam on the 1st stage again?  Hope they did, would LOVE to see the 1st stage get recovered.

The upper section of the tanks does look less glossy, with perhaps a small step outward.  However, this is probably no different than the previous flights.  Here is a a photo  from the assembly of the third flight article.   It shows the same section wrapped in something slightly more yellow, but equally diffuse and also slightly projecting.

Why do you associate this with first stage recovery?  Insulation was installed after the first flight to cut down on LOX boiling, IIRC.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 1 Launch 5 - May, 2009 (RazakSat)
« Reply #83 on: 03/18/2009 03:08 am »
The upper section of the tanks does look less glossy, with perhaps a small step outward.  However, this is probably no different than the previous flights.  Here is a a photo  from the assembly of the third flight article.   It shows the same section wrapped in something slightly more yellow, but equally diffuse and also slightly projecting.

Why do you associate this with first stage recovery?  Insulation was installed after the first flight to cut down on LOX boiling, IIRC.

The did not put any thermal protection on flight 4.  This was part of getting it ready so quickly.  my assumption is that the step out that both you and I see is said thermal protection. 
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 1 Launch 5 - May, 2009 (RazakSat)
« Reply #84 on: 03/18/2009 09:10 pm »
If the Falcon 1 is retired for the Falcon 1e, it might not be worth it to attempt recovery.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 1 Launch 5 - May, 2009 (RazakSat)
« Reply #85 on: 03/18/2009 09:22 pm »
If the Falcon 1 is retired for the Falcon 1e, it might not be worth it to attempt recovery.

My personal feeling (not official, I don't know for sure), is that even if the first stage isn't going to be reused, there is still some value in trying to get the whole recovery thing to work. Why waste the opportunity if you don't need the extra capacity for the sat? Just a guess. I don't know for sure that F1F5 has thermal protect. "That's not my department.."

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 1 Launch 5 - May, 2009 (RazakSat)
« Reply #86 on: 03/18/2009 09:25 pm »
Why waste the opportunity if you don't need the extra capacity for the sat?

Exactly.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 1 Launch 5 - May, 2009 (RazakSat)
« Reply #87 on: 03/18/2009 09:45 pm »
The upper section of the tanks does look less glossy, with perhaps a small step outward.  However, this is probably no different than the previous flights.  Here is a a photo  from the assembly of the third flight article.   It shows the same section wrapped in something slightly more yellow, but equally diffuse and also slightly projecting.

Why do you associate this with first stage recovery?  Insulation was installed after the first flight to cut down on LOX boiling, IIRC.

The did not put any thermal protection on flight 4.  This was part of getting it ready so quickly.  my assumption is that the step out that both you and I see is said thermal protection. 

It is almost certainly only LOX tank insulation.  Otherwise it would extend to cover the interstage, fuel tank, engine compartment and protrusions.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 1 Launch 5 - May, 2009 (RazakSat)
« Reply #88 on: 03/18/2009 10:00 pm »
It is almost certainly only LOX tank insulation.  Otherwise it would extend to cover the interstage, fuel tank, engine compartment and protrusions.

I went back and took a look at some closeup photos of flight 4 LV on Kwaj and it appears to have this same stuff on, but it's very subtle and just changes the texture of the white paint a bit. Hardly noticeable.

Then again... looking at the flight 5 pic, it could be that the entire stage has this texture and it's just the decal with the glossy look...
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 1 Launch 5 - May, 2009 (RazakSat)
« Reply #89 on: 03/18/2009 11:07 pm »
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Question is, are this and other websites like it blocked on the SpaceX computers?  Considering Elon Musk's desire to reduce leaks it would make a lot of since.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 1 Launch 5 - May, 2009 (RazakSat)
« Reply #90 on: 03/19/2009 03:41 am »
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 1 Launch 5 - May, 2009 (RazakSat)
« Reply #91 on: 03/19/2009 04:12 am »
The did not put any thermal protection on flight 4.  This was part of getting it ready so quickly.  My assumption is that the step out that both you and I see is said thermal protection. 

Do you really think they left off the insulation?  (Dragon44: Is that true?)  Has anyone found a photo of the fourth flight unit from which we could judge whether or not it was insulated?

It would actually be worrisome if they modified established procedures, like applying insulation to the tank, to get the rocket to the launch pad sooner.  That would be a bad case of "launch fever".

Again Nuaetius: Why do you associate this insulation with first stage recovery?
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 1 Launch 5 - May, 2009 (RazakSat)
« Reply #92 on: 03/20/2009 01:00 am »
Do you really think they left off the insulation?  (Dragon44: Is that true?)  Has anyone found a photo of the fourth flight unit from which we could judge whether or not it was insulated?

It would actually be worrisome if they modified established procedures, like applying insulation to the tank, to get the rocket to the launch pad sooner.  That would be a bad case of "launch fever".

Again Nuaetius: Why do you associate this insulation with first stage recovery?

Ok, can't believe that I actually read that much stuff to respond to being called out on something :)

http://spaceflightnow.com/falcon/004/index.html

"Musk said engineers did not have enough time to add enough improvements to the first stage thermal protection system to ensure it would survive re-entry. "

In the photo from the last update it looked to me that the 1st stage was a little thicker and had a different texture than past launches.  I have no quotes stating that this was do to beefed up thermal protection, just guessing at this point.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 1 Launch 5 - May, 2009 (RazakSat)
« Reply #93 on: 03/20/2009 01:26 am »
Do you really think they left off the insulation?  (Dragon44: Is that true?)  Has anyone found a photo of the fourth flight unit from which we could judge whether or not it was insulated?

It would actually be worrisome if they modified established procedures, like applying insulation to the tank, to get the rocket to the launch pad sooner.  That would be a bad case of "launch fever".

Again Nuaetius: Why do you associate this insulation with first stage recovery?

Ok, can't believe that I actually read that much stuff to respond to being called out on something :)

http://spaceflightnow.com/falcon/004/index.html

"Musk said engineers did not have enough time to add enough improvements to the first stage thermal protection system to ensure it would survive re-entry. "

In the photo from the last update it looked to me that the 1st stage was a little thicker and had a different texture than past launches.  I have no quotes stating that this was do to beefed up thermal protection, just guessing at this point.


You're going to have to read a little closer than that.  Musk is quoted as saying that between flight 3 and flight 4 there wasn't enough time to make any design changes to the existing themal protection to improve recovery chances.

That quote isn't saying that they didn't put any on, it's saying that they didn't make any changes in that regard from flight 3 to flight 4, and the thermal protection on both vehicles was therefore the same.

Most of us have tremendous doubts about recovery in the first place, but if the man has excess performance to burn then let him have at it.


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Re: SpaceX Falcon 1 Launch 5 - May, 2009 (RazakSat)
« Reply #94 on: 03/21/2009 10:30 am »
Razaksat is on its way to the launch site:
http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=397905

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Falcon 1/RazakSat - 21 April 2009
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 1 Launch 5 - May, 2009 (RazakSat)
« Reply #97 on: 03/30/2009 05:20 pm »
Just got this in my email.....



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

SPACEX TO LAUNCH ATSB'S RAZAKSAT

Hawthorne, CA (March 30, 2009) – Space Exploration Technologies (SpaceX) announces that the launch window for ATSB's RazakSAT on Falcon 1 Flight 5, is currently scheduled to open Monday, April 20th at 4:00 p.m. (PDT) / 7:00 p.m. (EDT).

SpaceX's Falcon 1 launch site is located approximately 2500 miles southwest of Hawaii on Omelek Island, part of the Reagan Test Site (RTS) at United States Army Kwajalein Atoll (USAKA) in the Central Pacific. Due to the location of the launch site, the Kwajalein local date at the opening of the launch window will be April 21st.

RazakSAT was designed and built by Astronautic Technology (M) Sdn Bhd (ATSB), a pioneer and leader in the design and manufacture of satellites in Malaysia. The satellite will be launched aboard the Falcon 1, a two-stage, liquid oxygen/rocket-grade kerosene vehicle, designed from the ground up by SpaceX.

Falcon 1 will place RazakSAT, equipped with a high resolution Medium-Sized Aperture Camera (MAC), into a near equatorial orbit. The payload is expected to provide high resolution images of Malaysia that can be applied to land management, resource development and conservation, forestry and fish migration.

SpaceX will provide live coverage of the Falcon 1 Flight 5/RazakSAT mission via webcast at: www.SpaceX.com. The webcast will begin 20 minutes prior to launch and will include mission briefings, live feeds and launch coverage from the launch site. Post-launch, video footage and photos will be available for download on the Web site.

About SpaceX

SpaceX is revolutionizing access to space by developing a family of launch vehicles and spacecraft intended to increase the reliability and reduce the cost of both manned and unmanned space transportation, ultimately by a factor of ten. With its Falcon line of launch vehicles, powered by internally-developed Merlin engines, SpaceX offers light, medium and heavy lift capabilities to deliver spacecraft into any altitude and inclination, from low-Earth to geosynchronous orbit to planetary missions. On September 28, 2008, Falcon 1, designed and manufactured from the ground up by SpaceX, became the first privately developed liquid fuel rocket to orbit the Earth, demonstrating that low cost and reliability can be coupled in commercial spaceflight.

As a winner of the NASA Commercial Orbital Transportation Services competition (COTS), SpaceX is in a position to help fill the gap in American spaceflight to the International Space Station (ISS) when the Space Shuttle retires in 2010. Under the existing Agreement, SpaceX will conduct three flights of its Falcon 9 launch vehicle and Dragon spacecraft for NASA, culminating in Dragon berthing with the ISS. SpaceX is the only COTS contender with the capability to return cargo and crew to Earth. NASA also has an option to demonstrate crew services to the ISS using the Falcon 9 / Dragon system.

In addition, NASA recently selected the SpaceX Falcon 9 launch vehicle and Dragon spacecraft for the ISS Cargo Resupply Services (CRS) contract award. The contract includes 12 flights between 2010 and 2015 and represents a guaranteed minimum of 20,000 kg to be carried to the ISS.

Founded in 2002, the SpaceX team now numbers more than 620 full time employees, located primarily in Hawthorne, California, with additional locations, including SpaceX's Texas Test Facility in McGregor near Waco; offices in Washington DC; and launch facilities at Cape Canaveral, Florida, and the Marshall Islands in the Central Pacific.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 1 Launch 5 - May, 2009 (RazakSat)
« Reply #98 on: 03/30/2009 05:39 pm »
Right on!!  got my calendar booked... looking forward to this one..
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 1 Launch 5 - May, 2009 (RazakSat)
« Reply #99 on: 03/30/2009 06:05 pm »
This and the first Falcon 9 launch seem pretty crucial. Getting a live payload to orbit at last, and getting the big rocket to fly.

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