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Re: What's Happening at Bigelow?
« Reply #40 on: 02/24/2009 01:47 am »
This thread is all very amusing, but you're all missing the point.  Bigelows problem is transportation.  He needs a crew capsule that could actually take people to his destination.  Why would he start building his Space Station if he can't get anyone there???  He's a visionary, but he's not stupid!

We should all be writing letters to our elected officials to advocate:

1) NASA should fund a Commercial Crew Initiative.  (NOT COTS D with it's "skin in the game" provision.) 

2) Get NASA OUT OF THE WAY!! (NO NASA Bureaucrat Engineers levying garbage requirements.) 

3) Get a CREDIBLE domestic company to build a commercial capsule.
(I'll bet you a dollar that there's probably a start at an Orion "Lite" design out there in someone's desk drawer.) 

4) Put it on an existing, flight demonstrated launch vehicle.   (Duh!)

Stand back and watch what happens in 3 years.

I have read rumors that Lockheed got in hot water with NASA brass for discussing potential plans to fly a inexpensive crew taxi on Atlas V for Bigelow and thereafter backed away from talking about this in public.

Recently I've also heard it said that the ghost of former management still haunts NASA HQ and that people shall be reluctant to propose or discuss ideas not consistent with the party line until there is clear evidence that the new Administrator shall create a new culture about ventures that could "compete" with NASA for the public's imagination.

Hopefully, the new Administrator shall be supportive of a crewed Bigelow station and new launchers to get people there as I believe that a genuine LEO hotel and/or a genuine LEO sports facility will drive demand for launches far more than even a propellant depot.

Even the absence of hostility might be enough.
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Re: What's Happening at Bigelow?
« Reply #41 on: 02/24/2009 02:14 am »
I have read rumors that Lockheed got in hot water with NASA brass for discussing potential plans to fly a inexpensive crew taxi on Atlas V for Bigelow and thereafter backed away from talking about this in public.

My feeling is that NASA's intention was always to launch Orion on an EELV eventually. First get Ares I to fly for a while and once a decent period of time has gone by, switch to EELV.
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Re: What's Happening at Bigelow?
« Reply #42 on: 02/24/2009 05:43 am »
This thread is all very amusing, but you're all missing the point.  Bigelows problem is transportation.  He needs a crew capsule that could actually take people to his destination.  Why would he start building his Space Station if he can't get anyone there???  He's a visionary, but he's not stupid!

We should all be writing letters to our elected officials to advocate:

1) NASA should fund a Commercial Crew Initiative.  (NOT COTS D with it's "skin in the game" provision.) 

2) Get NASA OUT OF THE WAY!! (NO NASA Bureaucrat Engineers levying garbage requirements.) 

3) Get a CREDIBLE domestic company to build a commercial capsule.
(I'll bet you a dollar that there's probably a start at an Orion "Lite" design out there in someone's desk drawer.) 

4) Put it on an existing, flight demonstrated launch vehicle.   (Duh!)

Stand back and watch what happens in 3 years.

I have read rumors that Lockheed got in hot water with NASA brass for discussing potential plans to fly a inexpensive crew taxi on Atlas V for Bigelow and thereafter backed away from talking about this in public.

Recently I've also heard it said that the ghost of former management still haunts NASA HQ and that people shall be reluctant to propose or discuss ideas not consistent with the party line until there is clear evidence that the new Administrator shall create a new culture about ventures that could "compete" with NASA for the public's imagination.

Hopefully, the new Administrator shall be supportive of a crewed Bigelow station and new launchers to get people there as I believe that a genuine LEO hotel and/or a genuine LEO sports facility will drive demand for launches far more than even a propellant depot.

Even the absence of hostility might be enough.

Wasn't rumor.  Personal call to the highest of the high LM management occurred; you can see the progress on the LM/Bigelow deal that ensued (that is...none whatever).

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Re: What's Happening at Bigelow?
« Reply #43 on: 03/07/2009 12:42 pm »
Bigelow is apperently now planning to use ET's knowledge to get people to his space station:
MUFON to receive major funding from billionaire backer
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Re: What's Happening at Bigelow?
« Reply #44 on: 03/08/2009 12:16 am »
Here is an article about Bigelow.

http://www.mounteverest.net/news.php?id=18079

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  "A self-made man, Bigelow builds his space hotel the way he runs his hotels and real estate: hire the best people, use the best materials, and stay on time and on budget, using off-the-shelf components whenever possible. Home base is a 50-acre facility at the outskirts of Las Vegas; according to PopularScience.com it's guarded by men wearing black shoulder patches, featuring an oval-eyed alien face outlined in silver and gold."

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Re: What's Happening at Bigelow?
« Reply #45 on: 03/08/2009 05:44 am »
MUFON?!!  Oh my.  Does he know something we don't?

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Re: What's Happening at Bigelow?
« Reply #46 on: 03/08/2009 01:04 pm »
Bigelow is apperently now planning to use ET's knowledge to get people to his space station:
MUFON to receive major funding from billionaire backer
 ::)

Okay, so he believes that there is an ETI explanation for the UFO phenomenon and is willing to put his money where his mouth is.  So what? The point is, irrespective of whether or not he is a secret UFO cultist, Bigelow is doing a lot of important work with respect to making commercial manned space access a reality.  It isn't as if he is personally directing the design process is it?
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Re: What's Happening at Bigelow?
« Reply #47 on: 03/09/2009 05:10 pm »
Bigelow is apperently now planning to use ET's knowledge to get people to his space station:
MUFON to receive major funding from billionaire backer
 ::)

Okay, so he believes that there is an ETI explanation for the UFO phenomenon and is willing to put his money where his mouth is.  So what? The point is, irrespective of whether or not he is a secret UFO cultist, Bigelow is doing a lot of important work with respect to making commercial manned space access a reality.  It isn't as if he is personally directing the design process is it?
"So what" is that investors don't tend to trust their money with people they percieve as kooks. Can't say I'm free of that particular predudice myself.

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Re: What's Happening at Bigelow?
« Reply #48 on: 03/09/2009 07:18 pm »
Bigelow is apperently now planning to use ET's knowledge to get people to his space station:
MUFON to receive major funding from billionaire backer
 ::)

Okay, so he believes that there is an ETI explanation for the UFO phenomenon and is willing to put his money where his mouth is.  So what? The point is, irrespective of whether or not he is a secret UFO cultist, Bigelow is doing a lot of important work with respect to making commercial manned space access a reality.  It isn't as if he is personally directing the design process is it?
"So what" is that investors don't tend to trust their money with people they percieve as kooks. Can't say I'm free of that particular predudice myself.

Bigelow addressed that very issue in an interview. He said, since he is 100% owner of all his enterprises (as in, not a publicly traded corporation) the only other person he has to answer to is Mrs. Bigelow.
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Re: What's Happening at Bigelow?
« Reply #49 on: 03/09/2009 08:33 pm »
MUFON?!!  Oh my.  Does he know something we don't?

For years he was behind all the exposure Area 51 got wrt real or alleged  ET stuff there. Given he was housing a lot of the labor that shipped in and out of the test range, its an interesting question what he heard from customers that contributed to his pursuit of this line of inquiry.

Frankly it doesnt really matter other than an interesting factoid about his motivation for funding his space station ambitions and beyond. He's got plans for a 'moon cruiser' to act as a cruise ship to do a lunar flyaround. It's likely he's got secondary goals beyond selling high priced tickets to millionaires for such a mission, if he believes all that stuff, he's likely seeking to investigate stories of aliens on the backside of the moon.

As long as his vehicles are well built by sound engineering, it all really doesn't matter WHY he's doing it, does it? Given that half the population believes in such stuff, dont they have a right to have THEIR questions about space answered too, no matter how kooky you may think they are?
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Re: What's Happening at Bigelow?
« Reply #50 on: 03/10/2009 11:56 am »
"As long as his vehicles are well built by sound engineering, it all really doesn't matter WHY he's doing it, does it? "

Not at all.  Don't read the shocked look on my face to be anything other than what it is.  It's his money.  Aliens or not, who cares?  He's the only guy on earth building space stations.  I simply find it curious someone can be both so analytical and meticulous with engineering and business and then pursue such wild, unproven speculations at the same time.  Genius borders on insanity, huh?


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Re: What's Happening at Bigelow?
« Reply #51 on: 03/10/2009 11:58 am »
Not at all.  Don't read the shocked look on my face to be anything other than what it is.  It's his money.  Aliens or not, who cares?  He's the only guy on earth building space stations.  I simply find it curious someone can be both so analytical and meticulous with engineering and business and then pursue such wild, unproven speculations at the same time.  Genius borders on insanity, huh?

Have you guys considered that he himself might be an alien ;-)
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Re: What's Happening at Bigelow?
« Reply #52 on: 03/10/2009 12:46 pm »
Have you guys considered the he himself might be an alien ;-)

Nah, never occured to us.  After all, immigration rules state that we aren't allowed to interfere in human technological development...

Oops! I said too much, I think ;)
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Re: What's Happening at Bigelow?
« Reply #53 on: 03/10/2009 01:11 pm »
"As long as his vehicles are well built by sound engineering, it all really doesn't matter WHY he's doing it, does it? "

Not at all.  Don't read the shocked look on my face to be anything other than what it is.  It's his money.  Aliens or not, who cares?  He's the only guy on earth building space stations.  I simply find it curious someone can be both so analytical and meticulous with engineering and business and then pursue such wild, unproven speculations at the same time.  Genius borders on insanity, huh?


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At one time in history Earth was believed to be the center of the universe and the thought of anything else was considered wild and unproven and then those people were ridiculed (and sometimes worse) as well.  That theory was not proven until other analytical and meticulous individuals showed it to be fact and fought for its acceptance. 

I'm not saying there is or there is not evidence of this to be found but there are a lot of people that "see" things so why couldn't it be true?  If someone is going to investigate it, it should be via strict scientific theory so I see nothing really wrong with this.  Maybe he is a bit eccentric too, I don't know, but there are a lot of people that way but for some reason anyone who ever wants to do credible research on this topic is usually labled a whacko. 
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Re: What's Happening at Bigelow?
« Reply #54 on: 03/10/2009 04:33 pm »
I simply find it curious someone can be both so analytical and meticulous with engineering and business and then pursue such wild, unproven speculations at the same time.

You should read Ed Mitchell's biography.
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Re: What's Happening at Bigelow?
« Reply #55 on: 03/10/2009 07:35 pm »
Pad Rat, how much money are you willing to spend to find out what that thing was?  Who would you hire to do it?  BTW, I'm ignorant of MUFON's scientific credibility beyond "I've heard of them" so do they have a track record of providing any hard evidence that would make you want to give them exhorbitant amounts of money? 


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PS - I'm an admirer of Mr. Bigelow and his endeavors.  I wish him all the luck in the world and I don't believe his ET investigations will slow him down at all.  It's a free country, pursue your dreams!  I'll also be the first to think that until proven otherwise, he's a little nutty.  I actually secretly hope he proves me wrong.

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Re: What's Happening at Bigelow?
« Reply #56 on: 03/10/2009 10:17 pm »
Have you guys considered the he himself might be an alien ;-)

Nah, never occured to us.  After all, immigration rules state that we aren't allowed to interfere in human technological development...

Oops! I said too much, I think ;)

You Venusians and your crazy policies. Nothing wrong with a few abductions and implanted spaceship plans. Neurons arent as reliable as holographic matrix crystals however...

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Re: What's Happening at Bigelow?
« Reply #57 on: 03/26/2009 04:03 pm »
website is practically down. All it gives is a link to email login. Bad sign?
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Re: What's Happening at Bigelow?
« Reply #58 on: 03/26/2009 04:14 pm »
website is practically down. All it gives is a link to email login. Bad sign?

ummm.. I just went to this website and it seems in tact to me?? It may be in need of some news and updates that are more recent but otherwise it seems all there

http://www.bigelowaerospace.com/
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Re: What's Happening at Bigelow?
« Reply #59 on: 03/26/2009 05:02 pm »
I get forwarded to http://64.250.232.124/~admin76/squirrelmail/src/login.php

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