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http://www.kt.kz/index.php?lang=rus&uin=1138536794&chapter=1153465061

The preparation of the launch pad on area 81 has begun. Three Glonass-M satellites will arrive to Baikonur cosmodrome in November/December. The launch of Proton-M rocket with DM-2 upper stage is planned on December 25.
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http://www.kt.kz/index.php?lang=rus&uin=1138536794&chapter=1153468105

DM-2 upper stage has arrived to cosmodrome yesterday. The delivery of Glonass-M satellites will begin since next week.

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http://www.npopm.ru/?cid=news&nid=614

The first of three Glonass-M satellites for this launch has departed Reshetnyov enterprise today.

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http://www.federalspace.ru/NewsDoSele.asp?NEWSID=4831

The installation of solar panels onto Glonass-M satellite is carrying out today.

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http://www.federalspace.ru/NewsDoSele.asp?NEWSID=4861

The second of three Glonass-M satellites has arrived to cosmodrome today.

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http://www.federalspace.ru/NewsDoSele.asp?NEWSID=4868

Proton-M rocket has arrived to cosmodrome by train today.

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http://www.federalspace.ru/NewsDoSele.asp?NEWSID=4880

Autonomous checks of systems of DM-2 upper stage are carrying out today.

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http://www.federalspace.ru/NewsDoSele.asp?NEWSID=4895

The assembly of the second Glonass-M satellite has finished today. The delivery of the third Glonass-M satellite to cosmodrome is planned on December 3rd.

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http://www.federalspace.ru/NewsDoSele.asp?NEWSID=4932

The tank of fuel storage and feed was installed onto the third Glonass-M satellite today. The second and third stages of Proton-M rocket are preparing for tests and for docking with the first stage.

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Nice looking hardware.  Wow, six new Glonass satellites in just a few months!  What are they doing correctly over there?

---  CHAS

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http://www.federalspace.ru/NewsDoSele.asp?NEWSID=4967

The assembly of the third Glonass-M satellite is completed. Its electrical tests were performed today. The first Glonass-M satellite was installed onto separation unit also today.

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http://www.federalspace.ru/NewsDoSele.asp?NEWSID=4971

All three Glonass-M satellites are installed onto separation unit today.

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http://www.federalspace.ru/NewsDoSele.asp?NEWSID=4990
http://www.federalspace.ru/NewsDoSele.asp?NEWSID=4991

The preparation of DM-2 upper stage was completed yesterday. Today it is fuelling by propellants.

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All these pictures are really exceptional ! Thank you very much Roskosmos !
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I follow Nicolas, there are many fine photos available!
Nice looking white payload-fairing. ;-) The others of this type are pure-metallic.

Soeren

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Some years ago, I wrote a story about GLONASS, but it is in French...

http://www.kosmonavtika.com/satellites/ouragan/ouragan.html
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Thanks, I can pick some of that out with my school level French, but will wait for an English version ;)
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Very good in-depth overview here (10 years old though): http://ub.unibw-muenchen.de/dissertationen/ediss/rossbach-udo/inhalt.pdf
High quality recent news can be found here: http://www.insidegnss.com/glonass

a nitpick: there is no "Glonass-M system".  There is GLONASS system and there are two satellite types, commonly referred as "glonass" and "glonass-m".

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Very good in-depth overview here (10 years old though): http://ub.unibw-muenchen.de/dissertationen/ediss/rossbach-udo/inhalt.pdf
High quality recent news can be found here: http://www.insidegnss.com/glonass

a nitpick: there is no "Glonass-M system".  There is GLONASS system and there are two satellite types, commonly referred as "glonass" and "glonass-m".

Very useful, thanks!
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http://www.federalspace.ru/NewsDoSele.asp?NEWSID=5031

Electrical checks of the ascent unit were performed today.

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It's interesting how the three satellites are arranged.  How will the individual satellites be separated and deployed into their individual locations in the orbital plane?

---  CHAS

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How will the individual satellites be separated and deployed into their individual locations in the orbital plane?
By carefully planned maneuvers including going to a slightly higher or lower orbit. The procedure takes up to a month.
This message reflects my personal opinion based on open sources of information.

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But these maneuvers are made by the satellites themselves after seperation. Are all 3 satellites released by the upper stage at (nearly) the same time?
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http://www.federalspace.ru/NewsDoSele.asp?NEWSID=5039

Today the ascent unit is attached to Proton-M rocket. The rollout of rocket to the launch pad on site 81 is planned on December 22.

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But these maneuvers are made by the satellites themselves after seperation. Are all 3 satellites released by the upper stage at (nearly) the same time?

I had envisioned them being 'dropped off' at their individual orbital slots.  That would require some delicate maneuvering so Delta V orbital changes, as Liss mentions, makes more sense.

---  CHAS

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The Proton-M rocket with Block-DM upper stage was rolled out to the pad 81/24 this morning.
http://www.roscosmos.ru/NewsDoSele.asp?NEWSID=5072

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According to Novosti kosmonavtiki forum, tomorrow's launch (liftoff at 10:43 UTC) will be shown live on our Vesti TV-channel.

http://www.vesti.ru/video1.asx?vid=onair

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Live-webcast, thats fine!
Thank you very much, Anik!

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Very early morning for the US. Will someone be kind enough to grab some screenshots from the webcast?

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What is the launch time at US Central Standard Time? 
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Вести.Ru TV: Awaiting broadcast.

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Some coverage now, but they'll probably cut away and back.

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A quick look at the Proton-M on pad from Vesti.ru...

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Ten minutes to launch, first snapshot...

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Five minutes to launch. Still waiting for coverage to resume.

IIRC, on the September GLONASS launch, coverage didn't begin until about 30 seconds before launch, and if you factor in webcast lag, that was after the scheduled launch time.

Lag is about 50 seconds today.
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We have coverage!

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More coverage.

Nice wide shot of the pad, showing the tower.
« Last Edit: 12/25/2008 09:41 am by GW_Simulations »

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1 minute to launch

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A quick look at the Proton-M on pad from Vesti.ru...

Looks like another sunny day over there  :D

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Liftoff.

Merry Christmas....

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Launch!

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Lost coverage just before staging.

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More photos!

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Here's my share of liftoff pics.

Merry Christmas you guys... =)
You know, if I’d had a seat you wouldn’t still see me in this thing. - Chuck Yeager

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That's the 69th (and probably last) orbital launch attempt this year, up one from last year.

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GLONASS needs 4 satellites after this launch for full coverage all russian territory.

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My last photo.

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Thanks for the images guys.
I don't know if it's been answered before, but what does Proton vent shortly after liftoff? The red stuff - NTO or something else and why?

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I managed to record the launch. Are there any copyright issues with uploading?

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Block DM with three satellites should have separated, according to Vesti.Ru website. At 14:15 GMT is expected the satellites to be separated from the block.

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I managed to record the launch. Are there any copyright issues with uploading?

According to Vesti.ru: "При любом использовании текстовых, аудио-, фото- и видеоматериалов ссылка на "Вести.Ru" обязательна."

I think this is translated this way: If you want to use text, audio and video, you must put a hyperlink to Vesti.Ru

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http://www.roscosmos.ru/NewsDoSele.asp?NEWSID=5094

Roscosmos announces a successful launch, we have a successful block separation.

However, as I said earlier, we still haven't inserted the satellites into the desired orbit.

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Successful news, but separation of the satellites would take some more time, because they are released into their high orbits at around 19.000km to 20.000km.
« Last Edit: 12/25/2008 10:16 am by Gorizont »

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Yeah, we should wait. If there are issues, they are usualy related to the upper stages.

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Thanks for the images guys.
I don't know if it's been answered before, but what does Proton vent shortly after liftoff? The red stuff - NTO or something else and why?

Yes, it's NTO. Central tank with NTO pressed after engine start by part of turbine exhaust gas, I think it's dump from there.

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http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=236795&cid=10

Vesti.ru reports that satellites have reached orbit.

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Today at 13:43 (Moscow time) from site 81 at spaceport Baikonur, successful launched “Proton-M” with upper stage “DM” and 3 “GLONASS-M”.
At 13:53 (Moscow time) the orbital block was brought out in suborbital orbit. The estimated time of separation of the unit of automatic spacecraft from starting block was 17:15 (Moscow time).

http://www.roscosmos.ru/NewsDoSele.asp?NEWSID=5094
(including some photos)

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LAUNCH WAS DECLARED SUCCESSFUL: http://www.roscosmos.ru/NewsDoSele.asp?NEWSID=5096

Spacecraft successfully separated from the upper block and started autonomous flight.
« Last Edit: 12/25/2008 01:52 pm by Svetoslav »

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That's the 69th (and probably last) orbital launch attempt this year, up one from last year.

68, same as last year, but with fewer failures than in 2007.

 - Ed Kyle

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That's the 69th (and probably last) orbital launch attempt this year, up one from last year.

68, same as last year, but with fewer failures than in 2007.

 - Ed Kyle

69, if we take into account the Iranian launch on August.

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That's the 69th (and probably last) orbital launch attempt this year, up one from last year.

68, same as last year, but with fewer failures than in 2007.

 - Ed Kyle

69, if we take into account the Iranian launch on August.

I've seen no convincing evidence that the 8/17/08 launch from Iran was an actual orbital attempt. 

 - Ed Kyle

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That's the 69th (and probably last) orbital launch attempt this year, up one from last year.

68, same as last year, but with fewer failures than in 2007.

 - Ed Kyle

69, if we take into account the Iranian launch on August.

I've seen no convincing evidence that the 8/17/08 launch from Iran was an actual orbital attempt. 

 - Ed Kyle

There were several claims of "Iranian orbital launch within the week" shortly beforehand, which is why I think it was an attempt.

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That's the 69th (and probably last) orbital launch attempt this year, up one from last year.

68, same as last year, but with fewer failures than in 2007.

 - Ed Kyle

69, if we take into account the Iranian launch on August.

I've seen no convincing evidence that the 8/17/08 launch from Iran was an actual orbital attempt. 

 - Ed Kyle

There were several claims of "Iranian orbital launch within the week" shortly beforehand, which is why I think it was an attempt.

Iranian officials have said that this was only a suborbital test flight.  The only "officials" who are known to have claimed this as an orbital attempt were un-named *U.S.* "defense officials" who mentioned tracking data from a U.S. destroyer in the Persian Gulf.  How a U.S. destroyer could determine if the rocket had a third stage or if it carried a satellite when it failed during its 2nd stage burn was not explained.

A correction to my initial post.  The launch was on August 16, 2008. 

 - Ed Kyle
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After successful launching at 13:43 (Moscow time) from the spaceport Baikonur with Proton-M rocket, all three automatic spacecrafts made communication-contact.

http://www.roscosmos.ru/NewsDoSele.asp?NEWSID=5100

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Iranian officials have said that this was only a suborbital test flight.  The only "officials" who are known to have claimed this as an orbital attempt were un-named *U.S.* "defense officials" who mentioned tracking data from a U.S. destroyer in the Persian Gulf.  How a U.S. destroyer could determine if the rocket had a third stage or if it carried a satellite when it failed during its 2nd stage burn was not explained.

A correction to my initial post.  The launch was on August 16, 2008. 

 - Ed Kyle

There were a number of "official" reports that an orbital launch was imminent, followed by a failed launch which was "officially" claimed to have been a sub-orbital test. If you ask me, it looks like an "official" cover-up.

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Iranian officials have said that this was only a suborbital test flight.  The only "officials" who are known to have claimed this as an orbital attempt were un-named *U.S.* "defense officials" who mentioned tracking data from a U.S. destroyer in the Persian Gulf.  How a U.S. destroyer could determine if the rocket had a third stage or if it carried a satellite when it failed during its 2nd stage burn was not explained.

A correction to my initial post.  The launch was on August 16, 2008. 

 - Ed Kyle

There were a number of "official" reports that an orbital launch was imminent, followed by a failed launch which was "officially" claimed to have been a sub-orbital test. If you ask me, it looks like an "official" cover-up.

Those were Iranian state media reports, which also inaccurately claimed that the February launch sent something to orbit. 

According to the BBC  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/7566804.stm
"[Iranian] Officials said only the rocket had been fired, correcting state media reports that the communications satellite itself had been sent into orbit."

I should probably start a new thread on this interesting subject.

 - Ed Kyle

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Iranian officials have said that this was only a suborbital test flight.  The only "officials" who are known to have claimed this as an orbital attempt were un-named *U.S.* "defense officials" who mentioned tracking data from a U.S. destroyer in the Persian Gulf.  How a U.S. destroyer could determine if the rocket had a third stage or if it carried a satellite when it failed during its 2nd stage burn was not explained.

A correction to my initial post.  The launch was on August 16, 2008. 

 - Ed Kyle

There were a number of "official" reports that an orbital launch was imminent, followed by a failed launch which was "officially" claimed to have been a sub-orbital test. If you ask me, it looks like an "official" cover-up.

Those were Iranian state media reports, which also inaccurately claimed that the February launch sent something to orbit. 

According to the BBC  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/7566804.stm
"[Iranian] Officials said only the rocket had been fired, correcting state media reports that the communications satellite itself had been sent into orbit."

I should probably start a new thread on this interesting subject.

 - Ed Kyle

Sorry, to clarify, the reports that the August launch was orbital were made before the launch occurred.

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Iranian officials have said that this was only a suborbital test flight.  The only "officials" who are known to have claimed this as an orbital attempt were un-named *U.S.* "defense officials" who mentioned tracking data from a U.S. destroyer in the Persian Gulf.  How a U.S. destroyer could determine if the rocket had a third stage or if it carried a satellite when it failed during its 2nd stage burn was not explained.

A correction to my initial post.  The launch was on August 16, 2008. 

 - Ed Kyle

There were a number of "official" reports that an orbital launch was imminent, followed by a failed launch which was "officially" claimed to have been a sub-orbital test. If you ask me, it looks like an "official" cover-up.

Those were Iranian state media reports, which also inaccurately claimed that the February launch sent something to orbit. 

According to the BBC  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/7566804.stm
"[Iranian] Officials said only the rocket had been fired, correcting state media reports that the communications satellite itself had been sent into orbit."

I should probably start a new thread on this interesting subject.

 - Ed Kyle

Sorry, to clarify, the reports that the August launch was orbital were made before the launch occurred.

And, the  critical point is that the official correction that Ed mentions did not happen till after the launch.

So, I remain uncertain. I am including the launch in my databases as an orbital attempt,  on the grounds that it gets more visibility that way, so we remember to keep thinking about it. But with my back against the wall I would probably give odds of 60-40 that it was not in fact an orbital attempt.

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Also a nice story can be found on the manufacturers page of the Glonass-satellites.
http://www.npopm.ru/?cid=news&nid=628
(including pictures)

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Also a nice story can be found on the manufacturers page of the Glonass-satellites.
http://www.npopm.ru/?cid=news&nid=628
(including pictures)

The picture of the three satellites integrated together being mated to the upper stage made me realize that I had the wrong mental image of the deployment. It looks like the three-satellite cluster separates from the DM, and then the three sats separate from each other - rather than them popping off from the DM one at a time. Is this correct? What kind of delay is there between DM separation and satellite mutual separation?
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I think it is done this way. If it is not, it would create big problems with CG...
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Hmm, I also thought about this "problem" of separation. Thats interesting.
My idea was... the sats have to fill different positions, so the upper-stage would fly the same trajectory like the satellites and deploys each of them in single stages.
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Hmm, I also thought about this "problem" of separation. Thats interesting.
My idea was... the sats have to fill different positions, so the upper-stage would fly the same trajectory like the satellites and deploys each of them in single stages.

That's definitely not the case, the DM/Sat separation is known to happen at one specific time,
based on timelines published for earlier Glonass launches. The sats have their own prop and engines to get on station.
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"That's definitely not the case, the DM/Sat separation is known to happen at one specific time, based on timelines published for earlier Glonass launches. The sats have their own prop and engines to get on station."

Ok, thank you for the explanation. ;-)

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That's definitely not the case, the DM/Sat separation is known to happen at one specific time,
based on timelines published for earlier Glonass launches. The sats have their own prop and engines to get on station.

Correct. At the moment these 3 satellites are being tested. They will reach their final orbital positions in february only.

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I think this table is better
GLONASS constellation status
http://www.glonass-ianc.rsa.ru/pls/htmldb/f?p=202:20:6099128352340825776::NO

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Found this in the news today, thought I'd share it with everyone.

Piece of Russian rocket crashes off Labrador:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081229.wspacejunk1229/BNStory/National/
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Thought this might be of interest; GLONASS-M have been carrying experimental payloads.

http://www.iss-reshetnev.com
All the satellites of №39 block are equipped with additional payload for performing space experiments: satellite №27 is equipped with Li-ion batteries (developer – JSC «Saturn»). A similar experiment with Li-ion batteries is being prepared (JSC «Istochnik»); satellite №28 and №29 is equipped with inter-satellites laser navigation-communication on-board equipment (developer – FSUE «NIIPP»).

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Today, Cosmos 2447 was temporarily retired from the GLONASS network because of a perturbation of its signal.

http://www.glonass-ianc.rsa.ru/pls/htmldb/f?p=201:5:3536190694184292::NO
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