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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #600 on: 09/29/2011 02:13 PM »
Congratulations China! Let's hope this type of coverage is the first step towards a more open and cooperative stance of the space powers.

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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #601 on: 09/29/2011 02:14 PM »
AFAIU, this screenshot gives a good view of one of the 2nd stage Vernier engines mobile assembly, similar to the one that was the cause of the failure on CZ-2C launch on August 18

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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #602 on: 09/29/2011 02:18 PM »
Shortly after TG-1 seperation, video seemed to indicate the vehicle ignited its own engines. Is that indeed what happened?

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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #603 on: 09/29/2011 02:29 PM »
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So far nothing on CNN or its website about the launch.
Strange?

Both CNN and the BBC showed the launch live!

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My mistake. I was watching BBC.
I stand corrected.

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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #604 on: 09/29/2011 02:35 PM »
Perigee 200 km
Apogee 346.9 km
Inclination 42.75

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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #605 on: 09/29/2011 02:46 PM »
Perigee 200 km
Apogee 346.9 km
Inclination 42.75

Slight change in orbital inclination, compared with the Shenzhou missions.
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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #606 on: 09/29/2011 02:52 PM »
clearer picture of interior:

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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #607 on: 09/29/2011 02:53 PM »
...and of the high gain antenna:

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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #608 on: 09/29/2011 02:55 PM »
in this view, the 'red dot' seems to be (the only?) window, situated in one of the sleeping quarters...

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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #609 on: 09/29/2011 03:08 PM »
So when is the first visual obs opportunity from ISS to eyeball the Tiangong out the cupola windows?

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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #610 on: 09/29/2011 03:09 PM »
BTW, my old ears detected a consistent pronunciation of 'Tiangong' by the Chinese-speakers as

t'yenn-gung

They are the authorities and I try to do my best to ape their pronunciation.

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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #611 on: 09/29/2011 03:14 PM »
...and 'Shenzhou' is to be pronounced 'Shun-djo'...

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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #612 on: 09/29/2011 03:24 PM »
...and 'Shenzhou' is to be pronounced 'Shun-djo'...

This is due to the main problem we Westerners have with the official Pinyin system of transliteration. Most of us don't know how to pronounce Pinyin correctly (me included), as many letters have a totally different pronunciation than what we are used to. For example, the letter "r" is pronounced more like "j" and the letter "q" like "ch". Plus there is also the problem that Chinese is a tonal language, a single syllable can have different meanings depending on which tone is used to pronounce it... 

Still, you can check out the wikipedia article on Pinyin to at least get sort of an impression on how you are supposed to pronounce it. Better yet, start learning Mandarin Chinese :P (I'm too lazy, tho).

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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #613 on: 09/29/2011 03:26 PM »
In Russian, we write Тяньгун and Шэньчжоу. But what Chinese really say is closer to Тьханьгун.
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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #615 on: 09/29/2011 03:48 PM »
there are two space stations in orbit for the first time since 2001


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There remain major political differences in approach to the question of the extent of Chinese access to ISS. Realpolitik diplomats point out that in the past, the degree of international space cooperation was determined to reflect the degree of political detente already achieved -- it was a symbol of what existed already and a reward for desired behavior that had already been achieved. There is an alternate approach, which is to apologize for one's own country's arrogance and bullying, and offer the access as an inducement to future change of policies, and then think sweet thoughts, close one's eyes, and hope. So why not try that in space, seeing how well it has already worked in other areas of international discord, advocates of this policy say.

In practical terms, the Chinese seem happy with 42 degree orbital inclination [they had originally planned 52 exactly in order to be ISS-compatible but abandoned the idea, probably because of range safety issues] and have built ground site facilities [particularly in Namibia] to support it. It might not be so simple for them to get to 52 until Wenching is operational.

Mir, ISS, Tiangong: incidentally, how difficult would it be to have three stations at the same inclination ? Would that cause any issues ?
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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #616 on: 09/29/2011 03:51 PM »
In this image the launch time looks like 1316:03.507UTC... Any help?

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Congrats China!

ISS will always be my favourite space station, but Tiangong is cool too (to me, Tiangong is like a Land Rover, while ISS is like a Hummer - while I'd like to drive both, a Hummer is clearly more of a cool beast than a Land Rover). ;D
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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #618 on: 09/29/2011 04:14 PM »
Congrats China!

ISS will always be my favourite space station, but Tiangong is cool too (to me, Tiangong is like a Land Rover, while ISS is like a Hummer - while I'd like to drive both, a Hummer is clearly more of a cool beast than a Land Rover). ;D

If Tiangong-1 is a Land Rover, ISS is a house.   ;D

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Re: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011
« Reply #619 on: 09/29/2011 04:16 PM »
Congrats China!

ISS will always be my favourite space station, but Tiangong is cool too (to me, Tiangong is like a Land Rover, while ISS is like a Hummer - while I'd like to drive both, a Hummer is clearly more of a cool beast than a Land Rover). ;D

If Tiangong-1 is a Land Rover, ISS is a house.   ;D

Anyone here seen Jurassic Park 2? If TG-1 is a Land Rover, ISS is that articulated mobile laboratory in comparison.
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