Author Topic: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8  (Read 32012 times)

Offline Chris Bergin

Third time's a charm.

Live update thread, as per last two attempts. Will move this up the forum a day in advance of launch.

All go for Feb 8 is the info tonight.
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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 9
« Reply #1 on: 02/06/2006 07:55 am »
Launch now Feb 9 at 1:00 pm PST(3:00 pm EST, 2000 ZULU) according to the SpaceX website.
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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #2 on: 02/06/2006 11:52 am »
Thursday night in front of the PC then!

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 9
« Reply #3 on: 02/06/2006 03:09 pm »
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Launch now Feb 9 at 1:00 pm PST(3:00 pm EST, 2000 ZULU) according to the SpaceX website.

That should be Feb 9 at 1:00pm PST = 4pm EST = 21:00 ZULU/UTC.  Shesh I hate time zones....

I'm trying to get a reason for the delay...maybe when California wakes up in the next hour...

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #4 on: 02/06/2006 07:08 pm »
Any news? Maybe they'll hold a phone conference to inform people, and if so, good luck! ;)

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #5 on: 02/06/2006 11:29 pm »
Pushed back another day.  Launch date is now Friday, Feb 10th.

"As an additional reliability measure, SpaceX will conduct a full test of
vehicle systems, including initiating the flight countdown autosequence
and briefly firing the main engine on the launch stand. This test will
take place Thursday, February 9 (California time). If no flight critical
anomalies are detected, launch will take place on Friday, February 10."

This was also just posted on their web site as well.

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #6 on: 02/06/2006 11:33 pm »
Drat not Friday, I'll be in the pub, near a feild in the middle of the peak! Might have to get a GPRS phone...

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #7 on: 02/07/2006 07:18 am »
Uggg, same reaction to Friday night here too :(
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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #8 on: 02/07/2006 09:28 am »
Everybody blow really hard, so high winds delay the launch till saturday. (around 11am please, so I can watch the launch over my eggs :))

Still - test firing on the pad - is that something other rockets do?

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #9 on: 02/07/2006 01:06 pm »
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Still - test firing on the pad - is that something other rockets do?

I'm curious about that too.  I wonder if it may be something made possible by the new hold-down arms they designed and installed since the last attempt.

Does anyone else know the issues involved in a rocket test firing on the pad?  Has that been done before?  I may want to work that into the eventual pre-launch article.

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #10 on: 02/07/2006 01:27 pm »
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Still - test firing on the pad - is that something other rockets do?
Yes. All orbiters have done it prior to their maiden flights. These test firings is usually known as Flight Readiness Firings or FRFs for short.

Columbia did one prior to STS-1, Challenger prior to STS-6, Discovery prior to STS-41D, Atlantis prior to STS-51J, Discovery again prior to Return To Flight STS-26R and Endeavour prior to STS-49.

Also, the Delta IV Evolved ELV performed an very short FRF prior to its first flight.

A Space Shuttle FRF is very similar to an real launch countdown, except for having the crew strapped into the orbiter and lighting the SRBs. The SSMEs is fired up for a brief time(around 20 seconds) and then safely shut down on the pad.
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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #11 on: 02/07/2006 03:54 pm »
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Still - test firing on the pad - is that something other rockets do?

I'm curious about that too.  I wonder if it may be something made possible by the new hold-down arms they designed and installed since the last attempt.

Does anyone else know the issues involved in a rocket test firing on the pad?  Has that been done before?  I may want to work that into the eventual pre-launch article.

Atlas use to do that for every vehicle.  Now they only do a wet dress rehersal and they are looking to eliminate them too.

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #12 on: 02/07/2006 09:16 pm »
SpaceX finally gave a time for their Friday launch window:  The launch window on Friday is 1- 7 p.m. (California time).  

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #13 on: 02/08/2006 03:30 am »
Six hours of fun. At least that will be something to fill Friday afternoon!

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #14 on: 02/08/2006 03:58 am »
Does anyone have any pictures of the buckled first stage tank on their previous launch attempt?  Or is this something they as a private company are choosing not to advertise?  I find it odd that their "pictures" page on their website has not been updated in a very long time... no Marshall Islands photos up there.  The only ones they've posted from the launch site are a few that show up on their updates page, but then dissapear with the next update.  Spaceflightnow.com has some of the best pictures of the rocket on its pad, but I am really surprised I had to go there to get them, instead of SpaceX's website.

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #15 on: 02/08/2006 10:35 am »
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Does anyone have any pictures of the buckled first stage tank on their previous launch attempt?  Or is this something they as a private company are choosing not to advertise?  I find it odd that their "pictures" page on their website has not been updated in a very long time... no Marshall Islands photos up there.  The only ones they've posted from the launch site are a few that show up on their updates page, but then dissapear with the next update.  Spaceflightnow.com has some of the best pictures of the rocket on its pad, but I am really surprised I had to go there to get them, instead of SpaceX's website.

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They haven't released any pictures of the damaged tank, AFAIK.  I can't said I blame them, it wouldn't exactly instill confidence.  I'll ask them for it after they get something into orbit... :)

I agree their web site is a mess.  I know that all the published photos I've seen came from the SpaceX web site, and most (but not all) are still available in the Elon Updates archive.  I've always had this suspicion that Elon personally hacked together that PHP-crazy web site, and when he gets busy the PR rep just barely knows how to post an update or release to it.  If you look at the source to some of the update pages, there seems to be some serious cut-and-pasting going on.

We ran the best two aerial photos of the Kwajalein islands at: http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?id=4073
One of them has since disappeared from the archived updates on the SpaceX site.

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #16 on: 02/08/2006 11:05 am »
Okay, unofficial source time...

Looks like SpaceX had a power distribution board issue that was discovered on Saturday.  They had to obtain and test upgraded replacement capacitors from the US, and lower the rocket and do a stage separation to make the repair.  They just finished that yesterday, and should have the rocket vertical again by now.

That would presumably explain the delay.

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #17 on: 02/08/2006 12:45 pm »
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Okay, unofficial source time...

Looks like SpaceX had a power distribution board issue that was discovered on Saturday.

Wasn't it a power distribution issue that caused the last abort?
*goes to check*

Couldn't find it.

btw, Elon's brother has updated his blog - http://kwajrockets.blogspot.com/

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When other rocket companies need something done, they requisition the right forms, talk to the right people, go back to the right forms, try again with another set of right people, go back to the forms, and eventually go a little more postal each day.

When SpaceX needs something done, they do it, and they do it fast.

Tells the story of how they basicly flew an intern from the spacex offices half way round the world and back to find the right capacitors to fix the rocket.

Hang on, that's the unofficial source isn't it :)

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #18 on: 02/08/2006 01:46 pm »
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Wasn't it a power distribution issue that caused the last abort?

Attempt 1: Engine computer reboot due to dirty shore power just before launch, although the ultimate reason for delay was running out of LOX.
Attempt 2: Shorted vent valve actuator or sensor caused valve controller board to reboot, nullifying the redundant sensors and valves, and causing the tank to crumple during pump-out.

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Hang on, that's the unofficial source isn't it :)

I'll never tell... ;)

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #19 on: 02/08/2006 05:44 pm »
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btw, Elon's brother has updated his blog - http://kwajrockets.blogspot.com/

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When other rocket companies need something done, they requisition the right forms, talk to the right people, go back to the right forms, try again with another set of right people, go back to the forms, and eventually go a little more postal each day.

When SpaceX needs something done, they do it, and they do it fast.

Tells the story of how they basicly flew an intern from the spacex offices half way round the world and back to find the right capacitors to fix the rocket.

Hang on, that's the unofficial source isn't it :)

I see that happen many times at the Cape, where people escort high priority hardware to and from the coasts at a moments notice, with even the hardware placed in a passenger seat.  Not really out of the ordinary.  The blog shows a picture of a engineer with the caption that he is in his 50th hour of  the day.  You can't sustain that for any long periods of time or over multiple launch campaigns.  Work hour rules are one of the reasons for larger launch teams.

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #20 on: 02/08/2006 08:42 pm »
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SpaceX finally gave a time for their Friday launch window:  The launch window on Friday is 1- 7 p.m. (California time).  

If you're very astute, you will notice that SpaceX has just changed the time for the beginning of their launch window on their web site from 1pm to noon.

New launch window is now Friday Feb 10th from Noon to 7pm California time (3 - 10pm East coast time)!


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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #21 on: 02/08/2006 09:09 pm »
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SpaceX finally gave a time for their Friday launch window:  The launch window on Friday is 1- 7 p.m. (California time).  

If you're very astute, you will notice that SpaceX has just changed the time for the beginning of their launch window on their web site from 1pm to noon.

New launch window is now Friday Feb 10th from Noon to 7pm California time (3 - 10pm East coast time)!


That's 2000-0300 GMT for us europeans.

Fingers crossed they'll wait till the pubs shut...

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #22 on: 02/08/2006 10:24 pm »
Why the delay? they said the 8th would be "early" for them?? and give times in GMT or Z, jeesh we are not on the same cont.

A 2 day delay is a lost window for the sat?

The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and alot of bitching.

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #23 on: 02/08/2006 11:45 pm »
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Why the delay? they said the 8th would be "early" for them??

Welcome to the site.  The delay was explained here a couple posts back: they had a power distribution board issue and needed to get upgraded capacitors from the states.

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A 2 day delay is a lost window for the sat?

I don't believe this satellite has any particular window requirements, it's a pretty simple little satellite which I think is mainly an excuse to buy a Falcon I launch.  I think SpaceX's only real time constraints are arranging schedules with the other activities at the Army test site.

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #24 on: 02/09/2006 04:29 pm »
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Yes. All orbiters have done it prior to their maiden flights. These test firings is usually known as Flight Readiness Firings or FRFs for short.

There is one HUGE difference.  The SSME's are replaced after FRF because an SSME is only good for one firing before it needs overhaul.  SpaceX is test firing one day and launching the next with the same engine.  Whenever you see a Shuttle mission have an on-pad abort after SSME start-up, you're looking at a 3-week delay to remove and install all three SSME's.

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #25 on: 02/09/2006 05:09 pm »
Reminder that SpaceX is due to be performing their wet rehearsal and test fire sometime in the next few hours.  Hopefully we'll know the results soon (and more importantly know if we'll have a launch tomorrow!).

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #26 on: 02/09/2006 05:58 pm »
Cool. Good luck SpaceX!

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #27 on: 02/09/2006 09:05 pm »
Just a note for those who don't already have it bookmarked, but Elon's brother is giving blow-by-blow coverage of the test fire on his blog http://kwajrockets.blogspot.com/ - They've had three countdowns so far, and have got to T-60s, but they're stopping the count for every little warning. It might be some time :)

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #28 on: 02/09/2006 09:15 pm »
Looks like they get to T-0 and auto-sequence abort.. round three maybe?

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #29 on: 02/09/2006 10:08 pm »
They are really working that system.  Still haven't made fire.


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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #30 on: 02/10/2006 01:35 am »
Just in from SpaceX updates page.....

"After analyzing data from the static fire countdown, we decided to postpone the launch.  The vehicle is being lowered for further investigation.

Once we have thoroughly checked out all systems, I will post an update on what was found and when the next countdown attempt will occur.  Based on range availability and logistics constraints, a rough guess would be two to four weeks."

Bummer! I wanna see that baby fly!
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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #31 on: 02/10/2006 02:45 am »
Ah well, I guess we get Friday night on the town then.  :)

Seems like they might have hit more electrical issues.

Article should go up in the morning.  
They have their first court date Monday with Boeing and Lockmart.  The court will consider Boeing and Lockheed's motion to dismiss the case.  I'm sure it would have helped them if they could have launched.


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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #32 on: 02/10/2006 03:59 am »
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Just in from SpaceX updates page.....

"After analyzing data from the static fire countdown, we decided to postpone the launch.  The vehicle is being lowered for further investigation.

Once we have thoroughly checked out all systems, I will post an update on what was found and when the next countdown attempt will occur.  Based on range availability and logistics constraints, a rough guess would be two to four weeks."

Bummer! I wanna see that baby fly!

Its not the easiest business to be in this spaceflight gig... SpaceX, will have its day, but they need to do the right thing, and I guess if the engine don't start, its not going anywhere fast...  Two weeks if there are no conflicts at the range.. my guess...

Go SpaceX ...Go..

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #33 on: 02/10/2006 05:05 am »
I have mixed feelings about SpaceX.  I want them to succeed, just like the new companies stood up to the "Big 3" of Detroit.  Yet, since I have been a employee of the USAF, NASA, and various aerospace contractors, I didn't like how they trash talked and made it sound like anybody could do it. After all, it is rocket science.  One thing, we all are learning is how to make a little fortune in the launch business, start with a large one.

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #34 on: 02/10/2006 05:45 am »
They aren't having any luck at all! :(

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #35 on: 02/10/2006 07:11 am »
According to the blog, they have three issues at hand:

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1. We've figured out what caused the sequence to stop, but now we need to fix it. It has something to do with the timing of the ignitors, which is measured in milliseconds. I'd tell the problem in detail, but I'm not sure if you have time for me to go get a Phd in Engineering.
2. We want to lower the rocket and check the fuel tanks in the 2nd stage. The readings indicated the pressure was acting incorrectly. Until we lower and see for ourselves, we can't really know what the problem is.
3. The Freakin' LOX! Yes, the same painful problem we experienced in the first launch. Being in the middle of nowhere is really annoying. Doing a second hold-down fire means that we won't have enough LOX for a launch attempt. Even though we are out of the launch window, this is still infuriating.
They're gearing up for an another attempt at the holddown firing today at 1 pm PST(3 pm EST, 2000 UTC), if they can solve the ignition timing problem.
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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #36 on: 02/10/2006 08:52 pm »
Alright, today's hold-down firing test should have reached T-0 approximately 45 minutes ago according to Elon's brother's blog post last night.  However that has not been updated at all today.  Anyone know the status of today's attempt?  Perhaps they decided not to do it.
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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #37 on: 02/10/2006 10:27 pm »

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1. We've figured out what caused the sequence to stop, but now we need to fix it. It has something to do with the timing of the ignitors, which is measured in milliseconds. I'd tell the problem in detail, but I'm not sure if you have time for me to go get a Phd in Engineering.
2. We want to lower the rocket and check the fuel tanks in the 2nd stage. The readings indicated the pressure was acting incorrectly. Until we lower and see for ourselves, we can't really know what the problem is.
3. The Freakin' LOX! Yes, the same painful problem we experienced in the first launch. Being in the middle of nowhere is really annoying. Doing a second hold-down fire means that we won't have enough LOX for a launch attempt. Even though we are out of the launch window, this is still infuriating.


Ha! Ha! LOL. I'm starting to wonder if they even HAVE a rocket.

Imagine waking up to a Drudge Report that the Falcon rocket was a big drainage pipe filled with some dry ice buckets inside it to get a nice bit of frost and vapor for all the idiot reporters to see smoking off it. Put a flame thrower at the bottom and there you have it. Then show some static test shots from the 1960s that nobody remembers.

When its time to launch "We have a problem--by the way, here is the latest lawsuit--where I'm **really** going to get my money."

What a great sit-com moment.

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #38 on: 02/10/2006 11:19 pm »
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1. We've figured out what caused the sequence to stop, but now we need to fix it. It has something to do with the timing of the ignitors, which is measured in milliseconds. I'd tell the problem in detail, but I'm not sure if you have time for me to go get a Phd in Engineering.
2. We want to lower the rocket and check the fuel tanks in the 2nd stage. The readings indicated the pressure was acting incorrectly. Until we lower and see for ourselves, we can't really know what the problem is.
3. The Freakin' LOX! Yes, the same painful problem we experienced in the first launch. Being in the middle of nowhere is really annoying. Doing a second hold-down fire means that we won't have enough LOX for a launch attempt. Even though we are out of the launch window, this is still infuriating.


Ha! Ha! LOL. I'm starting to wonder if they even HAVE a rocket.

Imagine waking up to a Drudge Report that the Falcon rocket was a big drainage pipe filled with some dry ice buckets inside it to get a nice bit of frost and vapor for all the idiot reporters to see smoking off it. Put a flame thrower at the bottom and there you have it. Then show some static test shots from the 1960s that nobody remembers.

When its time to launch "We have a problem--by the way, here is the latest lawsuit--where I'm **really** going to get my money."

What a great sit-com moment.

It ain't that easy, you know it... I am ready to take back my words i.r.t Mr Hale and management if we fly in May, will you do the same when Spacex does fly?

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #39 on: 02/10/2006 11:34 pm »
Todays test fire worked, from the blog:

Rocket fired at T-Zero.

It went into auto-sequence, and fired the engines. After 1 second, system aborts to
prevent the rocket from leaving its stand.

I have a short video, and will post it when I can get it online.

K

Now if they'd just released the rocket instead of shutting it down....  I guess an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of insurance premiums.  ;)

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #40 on: 02/10/2006 11:49 pm »
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Ha! Ha! LOL. I'm starting to wonder if they even HAVE a rocket.

Imagine waking up to a Drudge Report that the Falcon rocket was a big drainage pipe filled with some dry ice buckets inside it to get a nice bit of frost and vapor for all the idiot reporters to see smoking off it. Put a flame thrower at the bottom and there you have it. Then show some static test shots from the 1960s that nobody remembers.

When its time to launch "We have a problem--by the way, here is the latest lawsuit--where I'm **really** going to get my money."

What a great sit-com moment.

These people have their sh** together and are nothing to laugh at.  I work for NASA and I remember all the failed attempts before Columbia finally flew the first time.  The first couple of years of Shuttle flights were plaqued by engine shutdowns, technical delays, etc.  We were stupid enough to put people on the first flight and then criticized Russia for flying the Buran unmanned on its first flight (while we were shut down for Challenger).  SpaceX will be the ones laughing in a couple of years when they have the world lining up to launch on their rockets at 1/4 the cost of the competition and 1/10th the price per pound of the Shuttle.  They are doing things right from my viewpoint.  Things are going rather smoothly considering the short period of time in which they have fielded this rocket.  Their problems have been minor compared to some other programs.

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #41 on: 02/10/2006 11:52 pm »
Great to hear that they had a successful firing!

It seems strange that they have another LOX shortage, since they didn't actually use any of it except for boil-off.  I'm pretty sure they were muttering "never again" last time.  But then I guess they had the rocket fueled on the pad in 80 degree weather for quite a few hours while they troubleshot.  I didn't notice the cryo blanket that they had planned in any of the shots; I wonder if they nixed that idea.

Too bad they have so many scheduling issues at the range.  That must be frustrating.  I wonder how constrained they are from working on their island during other operations on the range.

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #42 on: 02/11/2006 02:02 am »
Update from Musk:

We were very happy to be able to execute a flight countdown all the way
to lighting the engine.  Although there wasn't a launch this time, we
made a lot of progress refining the rocket and launch pad -- all work
that needed to be done anyway.  I will post a longer update on our site
next week, after we have enough time to finish forensics of recent
events and formulate next steps.

---Elon Musk

Video of the static fire:
http://www.spacex.com/webcast/F1StaticFireClip.wmv

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #43 on: 02/11/2006 02:44 am »
It’s nice too see that the engine test went well (without sudden unexpected disassembly) and that the hold down worked.

How is the LOX issue? I know it’s unofficial but will SpaceX have the Ability to generate the LOX it needs on the island?

Any idea how engine preformed? Good, Bad, Ugly? I’m especially curious about the ablative nozzle.

I really hope these guys succeed.
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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #44 on: 02/11/2006 12:04 pm »
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How is the LOX issue? I know it’s unofficial but will SpaceX have the Ability to generate the LOX it needs on the island?

They have their own LOX generator on the island.  One of the contributing factors back in November was that the generator broke down.  The generator is at least big enough to compensate for boil-off to keep the tanks topped off after the full LOX shipment comes in; I don't think that the LOX generator is large enough to actually replenish the entire supply, since SpaceX has been shipping containers of LOX to the island.

Note that they _DID_ have enough LOX to launch on Friday, as far as we know.  It was only because they canceled the launch and decided to go for broke with another dress rehearsal that they depleated the supply, but it didn't matter at that point.  

For all we know, Elon could have pressed the button at T=0 yesterday, and SpaceX would have gotten to orbit.  They are just being cautious.

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Any idea how engine preformed? Good, Bad, Ugly? I’m especially curious about the ablative nozzle.

It was only a 1-second firing, not a true test of the engine; they are unlikely to learn anything new.  SpaceX has done scores of longer test-stand firings at this point, check out this video for an awesome full three-minute duty cycle burn from a year ago: http://www.spacex.com/nl/vts1-135%20composite.mpg

SpaceX has only publically mentioned a single ablative failure during testing, but Elon kicks himself so hard every time the issue comes up in public that it seems quite possible that they are taking a gamble with it.

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #45 on: 02/11/2006 03:33 pm »
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Update from Musk:

We were very happy to be able to execute a flight countdown all the way
to lighting the engine.  Although there wasn't a launch this time, we
made a lot of progress refining the rocket and launch pad -- all work
that needed to be done anyway.  I will post a longer update on our site
next week, after we have enough time to finish forensics of recent
events and formulate next steps.

---Elon Musk

Video of the static fire:
http://www.spacex.com/webcast/F1StaticFireClip.wmv


Elon and team congrats, next time, its party time...

Good luck..

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #46 on: 02/13/2006 11:09 pm »
Shame this was the one time they had it bolted down, but they're getting closer to making this all worthwhile.

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #47 on: 02/14/2006 01:55 am »
In other SpaceX news, we are awaiting a court's decision on a motion to dismiss the SpaceX vs. Boeing and Lockheed anti-trust case that was heard today.

Update thread for the court case:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=1559&posts=4#M20358

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #48 on: 02/17/2006 01:29 am »
Any sign of an estimated launch date for Falcon 1?
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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #49 on: 02/17/2006 10:40 pm »
It will be under the headlines "Blizzard strikes Hades--Film at eleven."

If it does launch--I will take back my words.

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #50 on: 02/20/2006 04:39 pm »
It's been a week or so. No sign of a new launch date?

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #51 on: 02/21/2006 02:29 am »
No sign of a launch date yet, SpaceX has been very quiet.

It took them under three weeks to resupply their LOX back in December, and Musk said two to four weeks as a rough guess when he postponed.  But I doubt that even SpaceX knows the answer yet.

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #52 on: 02/24/2006 09:32 pm »
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In other SpaceX news, we are awaiting a court's decision on a motion to dismiss the SpaceX vs. Boeing and Lockheed anti-trust case that was heard today.

Update thread for the court case:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=1559&posts=4#M20358



Heard anything else?

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RE: LIVE UPDATES, SpaceX Falcon 1, Launch Feb 8
« Reply #53 on: 02/25/2006 12:26 am »
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Heard anything else?

Nothing else about the launch, but we did get a note from SpaceX saying that they will indeed reopen the lawsuit with an amended claims filing.

See the new lawsuit thread at: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=1612&posts=12#M21664
And of course the article last week on the claims dismissal at: http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?id=4306

And as of today, there was renewed activity on the case docket putting the case back in a pre-hearing "discovery" phase, and the official case status was changed from "closed" to "closed, discovery".

See L2: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=1611&posts=21#M22134

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