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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #980 on: 04/29/2013 08:24 pm »
As the engine is a hybrid solid, I presume that the entire motor will need to be removed from SS2 and replaced with a fresh unit.  I also suspect that Scaled Composites' engineering crews will be going over every system and every square inch of structure to ensure everything is in good condition.

Any word so far on when the next test is scheduled and what that will be?
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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #981 on: 04/29/2013 08:31 pm »
Mike Alsbury and Mark Stucky were flying SS2 today.
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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #982 on: 04/29/2013 09:35 pm »
  Congrats to SC and VG.

BTW, this is the first time a winged-craft, capable of carrying MORE than two PAYING passengers, has flown supersonic since?
1) The Concorde?
or...
2) The SS1?

Well? What's your answer?

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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #983 on: 04/29/2013 09:40 pm »
  Congrats to SC and VG.

BTW, this is the first time a winged-craft, capable of carrying MORE than two PAYING passengers, has flown supersonic since?
1) The Concorde?
or...
2) The SS1?

Well? What's your answer?

I suppose the shuttle could have carried 5 paying customers? BTW, looking at the pics on the Spaceflightnow article, what happened to the underbelly paintwork? Particularly from the 2nd "i" in Virgin, leading aft?

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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #984 on: 04/29/2013 11:08 pm »
Congrats on the test!  :)
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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #985 on: 04/29/2013 11:12 pm »



, what happened to the underbelly paintwork? Particularly from the 2nd "i" in Virgin, leading aft?

I suspect that it's not a 'paint job' but decal and that it pealed off during the flight.
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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #986 on: 04/29/2013 11:15 pm »
Space.com article written by Doug Messier, giving us his experience on the ground:

http://www.space.com/20880-spaceshiptwo-virgin-galactic-rocket-test-chronicle.html

and their collection of photos:

http://www.space.com/20869-spaceshiptwo-first-rocket-test-photos.html
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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #987 on: 04/29/2013 11:34 pm »
 16 sec. burn Mach 1.22
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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #988 on: 04/29/2013 11:36 pm »
  Congrats to SC and VG.

BTW, this is the first time a winged-craft, capable of carrying MORE than two PAYING passengers, has flown supersonic since?
1) The Concorde?
or...
2) The SS1?

Well? What's your answer?

I suppose the shuttle could have carried 5 paying customers? BTW, looking at the pics on the Spaceflightnow article, what happened to the underbelly paintwork? Particularly from the 2nd "i" in Virgin, leading aft?

  Five paying passengers on the shuttle? Would have never happened, NASA denied it that capability, so it's disqualified.
The answer is? The Concorde.

BTW, one of you is probably now thinking? What if somebody put a, (perhaps) 60,000-100,000Ibf thrust rocket motor on the tail of the Concorde? Would that give it the oomph to exceed the speed and altitude of the SS1 and SS2, and that with numerous passengers onboard?
 
  Well if anybody is thinking that now on this website, forget it! Don't be silly! While a greater suborbital altitude maybe possible,
 the wings would be torn off by the rentry forces.
 

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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #989 on: 04/29/2013 11:39 pm »
  Five paying passengers on the shuttle? Would have never happened, NASA denied it that capability, so it's disqualified.

Relevant thread: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=27984.0
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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #990 on: 04/30/2013 12:15 am »
EXTRA footage and Branson remarks:

Virgin Galactic spaceship makes successful test flight

Published on Apr 29, 2013
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A spaceship bankrolled by Sir Richard Branson made its first engine-powered flight Monday in a test that moves Virgin Galactic toward its goal of flying into space later this year.



« Last Edit: 04/30/2013 12:27 am by catdlr »
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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #991 on: 04/30/2013 12:25 am »
  Congrats to SC and VG.

BTW, this is the first time a winged-craft, capable of carrying MORE than two PAYING passengers, has flown supersonic since?
1) The Concorde?
or...
2) The SS1?

Well? What's your answer?

Don't forget the Tu-144 "concordski". The russians had some great planes too!
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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #992 on: 04/30/2013 12:31 am »
Congrats to the entire SS2 team :)
« Last Edit: 04/30/2013 12:31 am by clongton »
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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #993 on: 04/30/2013 12:41 am »
Sorry for the crap article. Had absolutely no time today outside of the day jobs.

Only put this together because we needed to reference the milestone:
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2013/04/first-powered-flight-success-spaceshiptwo/
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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #994 on: 04/30/2013 12:48 am »
It's NOT a crap article Chris. It's a nice crisp, clean and concise summary of the momentous event. You gathered the facts and the appropriate photos and even included mention and photo of the spaceport. Nicely done.
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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #995 on: 04/30/2013 01:05 am »
What is the "charring" on the bottom of the wing related to? If you look at the "ignition" picture it is not apparent.

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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #996 on: 04/30/2013 01:36 am »
Some of the decal probably peeled off. It's definitely not charring since it's restricted to a well-defined area.

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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #997 on: 04/30/2013 05:30 am »
SNC press release about RM2 performance:

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SNC’s Hybrid Rocket Engines Power SpaceShipTwo on its First Powered Flight Test
Sparks, NV – April 29, 2013
– Sierra Nevada Corporation’s (SNC) Space Systems is proud to announce that its Hybrid Rocket Motor propelled Virgin Galactic’s SpaceShipTwo (SS2) sub-orbital vehicle on its first ever powered flight. SNC’s hybrid propulsion system is the largest hybrid ever used for space vehicle propulsion.

SNC manufactures two major subsystems on the SpaceShipTwo vehicle including the main oxidizer valve and the hybrid rocket motor, plus nitrous oxide dump system and nitrous oxide pressurization system control valves.

Upon reaching 47,000 feet altitude and approximately 45 minutes into the flight, SS2 was released from the WhiteKnightTwo carrier plane. After cross-checking data and verifying stable control, the pilots triggered ignition of the rocket motor, causing the main oxidizer valve to open and igniters to fire within the fuel case. At this point, SS2 was propelled forward and upward to a maximum altitude of 55,000 feet. The entire engine burn lasted 16 seconds, as planned. During this time, SS2 went supersonic, achieving Mach 1.2.

“The rocket motor ignition went as planned, with the expected burn duration, good engine performance and solid vehicle handling qualities throughout,” said Virgin Galactic president and CEO George Whitesides. “The successful outcome of this test marks a pivotal point for our program. We will now embark on a handful of similar powered flight tests, and then make our first test flight to space.”

SNC’s hybrid rocket systems offer a safe, high performing, and non-toxic alternative to solid and hydrazine liquid propulsion systems.  As the rocket motor fuel is industrial rubber, there are no special handling or transportation requirements, thereby greatly reducing the lifecycle cost to our customers.

“I am enormously proud of our team and motor, thrilled to be part of space history, thankful to be in a country where such entrepreneurship is possible and humbled to be part of the dawn of the next era of flight,” said Mark Sirangelo, head of SNC’s Space Systems.

“This first powered flight test marks a historic day on the path to commercial passenger space flight.  SNC’s Space Systems is proud to be a part of that success and proves that SNC’s safe, non-toxic hybrid propulsion systems can be scaled to meet the needs of many applications,” said Michael Borck, SNC’s director of programs.

The hybrid rocket motor and the oxidizer valve system are produced in SNC’s high rate manufacturing facility located in Poway, Calif., in conjunction with Scaled Composites of Mojave, Cali.  This location is currently producing motors for  both  SpaceShipTwo and SNC’s own Dream Chaser orbital crew vehicle.

For more information about Virgin Galactic’s SpaceShipTwo program visit www.virgingalactic.com/

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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #998 on: 04/30/2013 06:10 am »
Here's an interesting quote from Richard Branson about what the SS2 pilot said post-flight: http://news.discovery.com/space/private-spaceflight/spaceshiptwo-virgin-galactic-supersonic-rocket-test-130429.htm

Quote from: Richard Branson
They said they were surprised by how smooth it was. The only thing that Mark commented on was that when the rocket was meant to have finished burning, it sounded like it was continuing to burn, but actually that was the boom from breaking the sound barrier

This helps explain the 16s burn - it looks like they went with the minimum burn that should guarantee going supersonic? SpaceShipOne had a 15s burn on it's first flight, and burnout was at Mach 1.2 so very similar performance.
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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #999 on: 04/30/2013 08:39 am »
What is the "charring" on the bottom of the wing related to? If you look at the "ignition" picture it is not apparent.

Open landing gear bay?
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