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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #780 on: 02/21/2013 07:20 pm »
I was just wondering if SS1 could stand on its own legs (skids?) as a "commercial spacecraft". But I do appreciate both of your points. Thanks for the clarification Ben.
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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #781 on: 02/21/2013 08:42 pm »
It was an experimental technology demonstrator and was much, much lighter than SS2.  Comparing the two is about the same as comparing an X-plane to a commercial airliner.  Completely different levels of safety, reliability and re-usability required.

It's not like that at all. That's the point. We're still in the "barnstorming" era of suborbital spaceflight. Neither Virgin Galactic, nor any of the other suborbital space tourism companies are going to be carrying "passengers". There's no "certification" process for these vehicles.
Human spaceflight is basically just LARPing now.

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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #782 on: 02/22/2013 02:21 am »
It was an experimental technology demonstrator and was much, much lighter than SS2.  Comparing the two is about the same as comparing an X-plane to a commercial airliner.  Completely different levels of safety, reliability and re-usability required.

It's not like that at all. That's the point. We're still in the "barnstorming" era of suborbital spaceflight. Neither Virgin Galactic, nor any of the other suborbital space tourism companies are going to be carrying "passengers". There's no "certification" process for these vehicles.


Not that it really matters, but if you're not the pilot, you're a passenger. Even barnstormers carried passengers.

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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #783 on: 02/22/2013 10:47 am »
Please don't reply with high-chair comments. If I've misunderstood something, point it out clearly and stop babbling about me being ignorant. You do it quite often with others and it's tiring to read.

Go read what Joek referenced.

I did (specifically "Subpart B—Launch and reentry with a space flight participant") and I can't see how it affects my previous comments. The FAA refers to space flight participants and their requirement to execute a "waiver of claims against U.S. Government". Again, as far as I see it, "space flight participant" is the FAA's legal term for a suborbital passenger, used as such so that they can require such things as waivers.

A passenger, by any sensible definition:
a person who is traveling in an automobile, bus, train, airplane, or other conveyance, especially one who is not the driver, pilot, or the like. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/passenger
Informal A person who participates only passively in an activity (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/passenger)

I also said that VG "will call them passengers". I was wrong. VG already calls them "passengers": http://www.virgingalactic.com/overview/spaceships/

The discussion here should be about the everyday/informal use of the term "passenger". Most of those who have signed up to fly with VG will expect to be treated as such.

But again, if I've misunderstood something, please do point it out in a reply longer than a one line accusation of my ignorance.
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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #784 on: 03/14/2013 09:33 am »
Copied over from the VG/Scaled General discussion thread:
They did a night engine firing last week.

http://www.virgin.com/richard-branson/blog/this-isnt-sci-fi
I've removed the embedded image and attached it below.

They've also performed a second firing, this time in daylight:
https://plus.google.com/103131823501961147007/posts/ZkrG7t12xkR
I've attached the photo below.
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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #786 on: 03/28/2013 03:10 am »
Why would Elon Musk go on a suborbital hayride when he could fly to orbit on Dragon. It's like driving a Toyota instead of a Tesla ;).

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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #787 on: 03/28/2013 03:19 am »
Why would Elon Musk go on a suborbital hayride when he could fly to orbit on Dragon. It's like driving a Toyota instead of a Tesla ;).
He probably cannot ride on the Dragon for a number of years.  I doubt that with all his duties that he is training for a flight on a Dragon.  It's also not like they will likely have a spare seat for a joyride in the first few years of operation.  So why not take a flight on SS2?

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What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #789 on: 03/28/2013 03:29 am »
What a difference between Scaled Composite and VG! The speed of engineering, development, building, testing, and flying between these two companies is very noticeable. Aren't many of the same engineers with scaled working with VG now? What has changed? It took SC less than a year from the first flight of SS1 to their first X prize flight.

Is the difference simply a larger company with more legal hurdles? More red tape? More... what?
AFAIK Scaled never made a comercial aircraft or spacecraft. For that matter no one has ever made a commercial spacecraft.

Don't you consider space ship one a commercial spacecraft? I mean I know it was sub-orbital but thats still space right? Didn't scaled Composites manufacture that ship?
I had a chance to look in the hatch of SS1 several years ago when it was brought to Oshkosh on the way to the Smithsonian.  It was as bare bones as possible inside.  It was no where near ready to be a commercial spacecraft.  It was experimental.

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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #790 on: 03/28/2013 03:43 am »
What a difference between Scaled Composite and VG! The speed of engineering, development, building, testing, and flying between these two companies is very noticeable. Aren't many of the same engineers with scaled working with VG now? What has changed? It took SC less than a year from the first flight of SS1 to their first X prize flight.

Is the difference simply a larger company with more legal hurdles? More red tape? More... what?
AFAIK Scaled never made a comercial aircraft or spacecraft. For that matter no one has ever made a commercial spacecraft.

Don't you consider space ship one a commercial spacecraft? I mean I know it was sub-orbital but thats still space right? Didn't scaled Composites manufacture that ship?
I had a chance to look in the hatch of SS1 several years ago when it was brought to Oshkosh on the way to the Smithsonian.  It was as bare bones as possible inside.  It was no where near ready to be a commercial spacecraft.  It was experimental.

As far as we know, that applies to SS2 also.

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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #791 on: 03/28/2013 12:47 pm »
Apparently, Elon Musk has a ticket on SS2:
http://www.scpr.org/events/2013/03/27/next-space-entrepreneurs/

It is mentioned at 28:20 of the video.

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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #792 on: 03/28/2013 04:10 pm »
Why would Elon Musk go on a suborbital hayride when he could fly to orbit on Dragon. It's like driving a Toyota instead of a Tesla ;).

You have to remember Elon is a fan of encouraging any company to compete with SpaceX. He's always quoted as asking Bezos "Why aren't you doing more in space." whenever they meet. Him buying a ticket on SS2 I would equate to him giving money to them.
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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #793 on: 03/29/2013 10:37 am »
Maybe it's the same as with TESLA.
TESLA has a whole garage floor full of different brand automobiles. IIRC they have everything from Toyota to Mercedes.

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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #794 on: 03/29/2013 05:42 pm »
Why would Elon Musk go on a suborbital hayride when he could fly to orbit on Dragon. It's like driving a Toyota instead of a Tesla ;).

Because he can? (What's $200k to a $2B guy?)
Because he won't be riding in a Dragon for several years after first launch, and that is a few years away at best, and this will be fun and exciting?
Because even when he does fly in a DragonRider it will be a protracted campaign, and he can take a flight on SS2 during a weekend? 
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #795 on: 04/03/2013 02:08 pm »
Douglas Messier is tweeting test flight updates:

Douglas Messier ‏@spacecom
WK2/SS2 in preflight on runway 12/30 in mojave just after dawn. Drop test or captive carry? Guessing (hoping) for former.

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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #796 on: 04/03/2013 03:06 pm »
Thanks Jamsta for the heads up!
Attached are Douglas Messier's tweets over the last hour (to be read in reverse order)
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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #797 on: 04/03/2013 03:20 pm »
No worries!

No updates at the moment. I'm watching the ISS AMS results concurrently :)

e: 30 mins estimated until drop
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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #798 on: 04/03/2013 03:24 pm »
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@spacecom (Douglas Messier) - 5:20 PM - 3 Apr 13
An hour since takeoff. If memory serves drops are about 90 minutes in. WK2 has dual contrails, Proteus one.
https://twitter.com/spacecom/status/319469436157435904

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@spacecom (Douglas Messier) - 5:22 PM - 3 Apr 13
Vehicles are northward of airport under Joshua approach. Currently out of sight.
https://twitter.com/spacecom/status/319470048521621505
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Re: Space Ship Two - Updates
« Reply #799 on: 04/03/2013 03:29 pm »
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@spacecom (Douglas Messier) - 5:26 PM - 3 Apr 13
Vehicles now sighted again curving back toward airport now.
https://twitter.com/spacecom/status/319470902641299456
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