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#220
by
Suzy
on 19 May, 2008 04:00
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Novosti Kosmonavtiki news #704 notes that the reasons for the ballistic descent of the TMA-11 capsule will be established by 30 May (says Anatolii Perminov).
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#221
by
eeergo
on 19 May, 2008 10:06
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Suzy - 19/5/2008 5:00 AMwill be established by 30 May (says Anatolii Perminov).
How convenient, isn't it? :O
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#222
by
pr1268
on 20 May, 2008 08:06
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Jim - 29/4/2008 7:58 AM
you are very wrong here. American space policy and the NASA administrator are criticized all the time on this site
And sincere thanks to you for not just acknowledging the criticism, but also for participating in it.
JimO - 29/4/2008 1:22 PM
Problems? Heck, no, I go BEGGING him to do it.
As with almost all the arguments here, these clashes strike sparks that illuminate darkness.
We are the flint and steel, and as long as we're tough enough to take the heat and shock, we fulfill a bright function.
What a nice remark! If we can't have the courage and bravery to use our frontal lobes, to apply basic critical thinking skills, and to describe and explain
why we feel the way we do about a topic, then we needn't even bother
leaving the cave.
Jim Oberg: I admire your integrity in welcoming others' feedback--often critically negative--of your writing. Thank you for the enlightening (if sobering) account of the fallout of the TMA-11 descent anomaly. You're right--we (NASA, RSA, or society in general) can't afford to fix problems like TMA-11 without discussing them in a critical context.
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#223
by
rsnellenberger
on 20 May, 2008 19:40
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kraisee - 17/5/2008 3:50 PM
If I were a cynical sort, I might speculate that there are some folk within NASA who would welcome any lever to re-direct the $2bn annual budget for ISS over to Exploration if the opportunity were ever to present itself. $2bn extra each year would certainly represent quite a shot-in-the-arm given the present budget.
Can't see Congress ever capitulating to this reasoning though - especially given the strong ISS support clearly present in the wording of the recent bills, so ISS should be safe for a while to come.
Ross.
It'd be more than $2bn, though -- if we stop flying to ISS to save that $2bn, most of the Shuttle's $3.3bn budget could be re-directed as well after the Hubble mission...
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#224
by
clongton
on 20 May, 2008 19:43
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rsnellenberger - 20/5/2008 3:40 PM
It'd be more than $2bn, though -- if we stop flying to ISS to save that $2bn, most of the Shuttle's $3.3bn budget could be re-directed as well after the Hubble mission...
That's Griffin's game plan.
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#225
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on 21 May, 2008 10:56
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Oy! What does Mr. Oberg suggest we replace the Soyuz with, for station emergency escape purposes?
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#226
by
waf102
on 22 May, 2008 20:54
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#227
by
Suzy
on 04 Jun, 2008 20:38
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#228
by
pippin
on 05 Jun, 2008 01:02
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#229
by
nacnud
on 05 Jun, 2008 02:10
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Check out #42 as well.
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#230
by
rsnellenberger
on 05 Jun, 2008 02:33
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#231
by
zeke01
on 05 Jun, 2008 02:45
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The parachute is deployed from the side of the module. Then parachute's risers are re-rigged using that channel, or crack as you put it, to allow the capsule to hang vertically before landing. You can see in #42 one of the risers is behind the man, the other in front.
From the upturned soil it looks like the capsule hit the ground very hard and then bounced and/or got dragged a bit.
Thanks for the link Suzy.
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#232
by
pm1823
on 05 Jun, 2008 02:50
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Does this look like a broken outer shell on #48?
No, it doesn't, just opened channels where chute's strops were stored. Mentioned already in this topic...
From the upturned soil it looks like the capsule hit the ground very hard and then bounced and/or got dragged a bit.
Agree with you, wind speed was ~15m/s. That should be rough landing with "good" horizontal speed, and DMPs can't manage such thing.
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#233
by
pippin
on 05 Jun, 2008 06:23
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Ah, OK, now I see it, too. Especially the TMA--6 picture helped understand it. Thanks.
On that one it also looks much more "clean". Is there some ablative shielding above the channel that breaks away on chute deployment and just got burnt more this time?
EDIT: Or that broke away this time while it usually doesn't?
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#234
by
pm1823
on 05 Jun, 2008 09:09
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Is there some ablative shielding above the channel that breaks away on chute deployment and just got burnt more this time?
Looks like.
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#235
by
missinglink
on 05 Jun, 2008 12:29
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Call me a sentimental fool, but the Novosti slide show linked to by Suzy put a lump in my throat. The essential humanity of the Russian recovery staff and medical personnel shines through... The Russian helicopter pilot awkardly standing there with a bouquet of flowers for the Korean astronaut... to think that for decades in the Cold War, we were close to war with these people... seems incredible.
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#236
by
edkyle99
on 06 Jun, 2008 16:27
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Why do NASA astronauts often look so beat up after Soyuz landings? Malenchenko and Whitson are roughly the same age and had been in space for the same amount of time. Malenchenko was sitting on the ground outside the capsule, looking durable. Whitson had to be carried and looked weak. Is this training-related?
- Ed Kyle
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#237
by
Lawntonlookirs
on 06 Jun, 2008 16:45
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Why do NASA astronauts often look so beat up after Soyuz landings? Malenchenko and Whitson are roughly the same age and had been in space for the same amount of time. Malenchenko was sitting on the ground outside the capsule, looking durable. Whitson had to be carried and looked weak. Is this training-related?
- Ed Kyle
Those were my thoughts exactly when I saw the pictures yesterday. All I think of is after the Shuttle era; all landings are going to be similar with parachutes and a good chance to get banged up when hitting the ground.
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#238
by
rsnellenberger
on 06 Jun, 2008 17:16
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Why do NASA astronauts often look so beat up after Soyuz landings? Malenchenko and Whitson are roughly the same age and had been in space for the same amount of time. Malenchenko was sitting on the ground outside the capsule, looking durable. Whitson had to be carried and looked weak. Is this training-related?
Yuri was also carried to the helicopter (pictures 19 & 20), and he doesn't look all that durable in the (candid) pictures 21 and 25. He looks better in pictures 11 & 12, but for all we know the photographer has just said "Now, we need to take some shots where you look like a Hero of the Russian Republic!"
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#239
by
pm1823
on 06 Jun, 2008 18:24
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I don't think, that there's place for setup, of course except "say cheese", and "gimme smile" for Yuri. %) Maybe because Russians feel themselves already home. But Americans know that their homeland still on the other side of the Planet, and they now somewhere in the steppe in the foreign darn'stan country. It's rather "Mind Over Matter" issue.