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Re: VSE Precursor missions
« Reply #40 on: 04/30/2008 02:08 AM »
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Project Constellation is operating on a totally different scale from the Mars Science Laboratory (MSL).  These machines would be part of the manned landings rather than instead of - their first job should be building the base for the people.

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wrong again.  There is no base for robots to build

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Re: VSE Precursor missions
« Reply #41 on: 04/30/2008 03:13 AM »
Calling the moon base a Lunar Outpost only hides the problems like radiation, it does not eliminate them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_outpost_%28NASA%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_of_the_Moon
See the Mars Transfer Vehicle threads for the sort of protection against solar and cosmic radiation needed.

From the Chambers 21st Century Dictionary
outpost - noun
1 military a group of soldiers stationed at a distance from the main body, especially to protect it from a surprise attack.
2 a distant or remote settlement or branch.

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Re: VSE Precursor missions
« Reply #42 on: 04/30/2008 11:24 AM »
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A_M_Swallow - 29/4/2008  11:13 PM

Calling the moon base a Lunar Outpost only hides the problems like radiation, it does not eliminate them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_outpost_%28NASA%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_of_the_Moon
See the Mars Transfer Vehicle threads for the sort of protection against solar and cosmic radiation needed.

From the Chambers 21st Century Dictionary
outpost - noun
1 military a group of soldiers stationed at a distance from the main body, especially to protect it from a surprise attack.
2 a distant or remote settlement or branch.

It does not "hide" anything and you just disqualified yourself by quoting wikipedia.  

NASA calls it an outpost.  Period.  It doesn't matter what chambers says.

But even you first wiki reference shown

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Re: VSE Precursor missions
« Reply #43 on: 04/30/2008 05:53 PM »
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Jim - 30/4/2008  12:24 PM

It does not "hide" anything and you just disqualified yourself by quoting wikipedia.  

If the best argument that you can come up with is the other person is using wikipedia then you lose.


http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/163896main_LAT_GES_1204.pdf
For those who want to see the NASA power point.


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Re: VSE Precursor missions
« Reply #44 on: 04/30/2008 07:32 PM »
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Jim - 30/4/2008  12:24 PM

It does not "hide" anything and you just disqualified yourself by quoting wikipedia.  

If the best argument that you can come up with is the other person is using wikipedia then you lose.

http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/163896main_LAT_GES_1204.pdf
For those who want to see the NASA power point.


The document proves my point.  It is just an outpost using landers with no "electrically powered remote controlled bulldozers, diggers, drills and repair robots" are not in the picture"

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Re: VSE Precursor missions
« Reply #45 on: 04/30/2008 07:41 PM »
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A_M_Swallow - 29/4/2008  10:03 PM

Project Constellation is operating on a totally different scale from the Mars Science Laboratory (MSL).  These machines would be part of the manned landings rather than instead of - their first job should be building the base for the people.

The document you posted doesnt' show this.  
Manned landers are used to build the outpost.

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Re: VSE Precursor missions
« Reply #46 on: 05/01/2008 11:15 PM »
I know the document does not show an underground base - the current plan is to expose the astronauts to solar and cosmic radiation for 6 months with only protection.

Stronger radiation protection is needed.

The simplest protection is to bury the buildings underground.

Since we are taking about a prediction either manual assembly or remote controlled digging can still be chosen.  Since the construction equipment does not need an ascent stage developing the buildings can be in place before the people arrive.

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Re: VSE Precursor missions
« Reply #47 on: 05/02/2008 02:37 AM »
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A_M_Swallow - 1/5/2008  7:15 PM

Since we are taking about a prediction either manual assembly or remote controlled digging can still be chosen.  Since the construction equipment does not need an ascent stage developing the buildings can be in place before the people arrive.

It doesn't matter.  The LSAM is manned for the first few years

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