Author Topic: ISS COMMERCIAL RESUPPLY SERVICES (COTS II) Draft RFP (Read 14248 times)

Norm Hartnett · « **Reply #20 on:** 04/19/2008 03:26 am »

I know I'm a little weird to find humor in government contracts but this exchange busted me up.

Q-39 II.A.19.1.A.iv Please clarify intent of “upon de-integration” (i.e. at the time of removal of cargo from orbital vehicle?)
The term de-integration in this context describes the process for unpacking and "de-integrating" cargo from the Contractor's vehicle.
C-22 II.A.19.2.A.d Suggest the term unloading.
Thank you. NASA will take that comment under consideration.

(from the Q&A section)

:cool:

madscientist197 · « **Reply #21 on:** 04/19/2008 11:50 am »

Completely insane

libs0n · « **Reply #22 on:** 04/20/2008 08:04 pm »

What specific launch vehicle can the ATV fit upon, and the HTV for that matter?

Jim · « **Reply #23 on:** 04/20/2008 09:09 pm »

Delta IV and Atlas V

hektor · « **Reply #24 on:** 04/20/2008 09:41 pm »

Or Ares I.

libs0n · « **Reply #25 on:** 04/20/2008 09:59 pm »

Correct me if my figures or notions are wrong:

The ATV weighs 20.7 metric tonnes at launch, for reference 20,700kg. Of the Deltas, the Delta 4 Heavy's capacity could loft it. The Atlas 5 552 lifts 20,050kg, so to fit on that 650kg would have to be shaved off from the cargo payload.

I don't know that much about the HTV, but its native launcher can put 16500kg up to LEO. The Atlas 5 532 would seem to be the equivalent at 17250kg.

hektor · « **Reply #26 on:** 04/21/2008 05:34 am »

Yes but part of this cargo payload is reboost or refuel propellant and by definition there is enough reboost and refuel capability with the currently foreeen ATVs and Progress if NASA and ESA have done their maths right.

Smoothie · « **Reply #27 on:** 07/01/2008 02:53 pm »

More info here about who put in bids for the COTS CRS.

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/30/1176167.aspx

marsavian · « **Reply #28 on:** 07/01/2008 03:43 pm »

So allegedly only potential ATK buyout PlanetSpace put a bid in as well as SpaceX and Orbital. Wonder why Boeing didn't bother with their bid.

Jim · « **Reply #29 on:** 07/01/2008 03:50 pm »

It didn't say it was an all inclusive list

Namechange User · « **Reply #30 on:** 07/01/2008 04:01 pm »

Quote from: marsavian on 07/01/2008 03:43 pm

So allegedly only potential ATK buyout PlanetSpace put a bid in as well as SpaceX and Orbital. Wonder why Boeing didn't bother with their bid.

Jim is correct. This is not an all inclusive list.

Smoothie · « **Reply #31 on:** 07/01/2008 05:09 pm »

Quote from: marsavian on 07/01/2008 03:43 pm

So allegedly only potential ATK buyout PlanetSpace put a bid in as well as SpaceX and Orbital. Wonder why Boeing didn't bother with their bid.

Like Jim said. It's certainly not an all inclusive list. It's just the guys Alan Boyle talked to.

I am still wondering where this ATK PlanetSpace buyout rumor came from. I have never read or heard of it mentioned in any article anywhere. It just materialized on this forum from thin air during the last round of COTS. PlanetSpace partnering with LM and ATK does not necessarily mean one of them will "buyout" PlanetSpace.

synchrotron · « **Reply #32 on:** 07/02/2008 02:32 pm »

Quote from: Smoothie on 07/01/2008 05:09 pm

Like Jim said. It's certainly not an all inclusive list. It's just the guys Alan Boyle talked to.

I am still wondering where this ATK PlanetSpace buyout rumor came from. I have never read or heard of it mentioned in any article anywhere. It just materialized on this forum from thin air during the last round of COTS. PlanetSpace partnering with LM and ATK does not necessarily mean one of them will "buyout" PlanetSpace.

And PlanetSpace's understanding of a 'partnership' is likely different from that of LockMart's or ATK's.

Smoothie · « **Reply #33 on:** 07/02/2008 03:44 pm »

Quote from: synchrotron on 07/02/2008 02:32 pm

Quote from: Smoothie on 07/01/2008 05:09 pm
Like Jim said. It's certainly not an all inclusive list. It's just the guys Alan Boyle talked to.

I am still wondering where this ATK PlanetSpace buyout rumor came from. I have never read or heard of it mentioned in any article anywhere. It just materialized on this forum from thin air during the last round of COTS. PlanetSpace partnering with LM and ATK does not necessarily mean one of them will "buyout" PlanetSpace.
And PlanetSpace's understanding of a 'partnership' is likely different from that of LockMart's or ATK's.

Please explain.

synchrotron · « **Reply #34 on:** 07/02/2008 09:17 pm »

Quote from: Smoothie on 07/02/2008 03:44 pm

Quote from: synchrotron on 07/02/2008 02:32 pm
Quote from: Smoothie on 07/01/2008 05:09 pm
Like Jim said. It's certainly not an all inclusive list. It's just the guys Alan Boyle talked to.

I am still wondering where this ATK PlanetSpace buyout rumor came from. I have never read or heard of it mentioned in any article anywhere. It just materialized on this forum from thin air during the last round of COTS. PlanetSpace partnering with LM and ATK does not necessarily mean one of them will "buyout" PlanetSpace.
And PlanetSpace's understanding of a 'partnership' is likely different from that of LockMart's or ATK's.

Please explain.

Partnership usually means that each party contributes something in proportion to the benefit derived from being involved in an undertaking. LockMart/ATK likely see their role more as subcontractors in any venture with PlanetSpace. They'll be glad to spend the checks they receive. Who wouldn't?

If the two big players were putting their own skin in the game in any serious way, they would not bother having PlanetSpace or its vaporware on their team. No value added. IMO.